FOR or BECAUSE OF the forgiveness of your sins, (Acts 2:38)

[BillyBob65]

I agree. I came across this in a concordance:

""For" (as used in Ac 2:38 "for the forgiveness ") could have two meanings. If you saw a poster saying "Jesse James wanted for robbery," "for" could mean Jesse is wanted so he can commit a robbery, or is wanted because he has committed a robbery. The later sense is the correct one. So too in this passage, the word "for" signifies an action in the past. Otherwise, it would violate the entire tenor of the NT teaching on salvation by grace and not by works."

Yes that is so it could also mean in order to receive so the best way to find out just how it was intended is to search the word to see if it gives any insight to which way it was used and I know the bible will make that clear for us we Just have to accept it even if it doesn't fit our bias view.

 

[CrowCross]

Yes that is so it could also mean in order to receive so the best way to find out just how it was intended is to search the word to see if it gives any insight to which way it was used and I know the bible will make that clear for us we Just have to accept it even if it doesn't fit our bias view.

It appears it fits your biased view....considering there are many examples of where salvation is mentioned and water baptism isn't.
It appears you're sect introduced the bias.

 

[BillyBob65]

It appears it fits your biased view....considering there are many examples of where salvation is mentioned and water baptism isn't.
It appears you're sect introduced the bias.

Show me where that is true using Acts of the Apostles because before Acts 2 it does not apply because it's all pointing to Acts 2 and all the letters to the churches after Acts is to the saved not dealing with how to get saved but to the already saved

 

[CrowCross]

Show me where that is true using Acts of the Apostles because before Acts 2 it does not apply because it's all pointing to Acts 2 and all the letters to the churches after Acts is to the saved not dealing with how to get saved but to the already saved

I'v already showed you where in Acts 2 Peter said...21 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.’....with like John 3:16 and other verses baptism isn't even mentioned.

baptism is for those who are already saved.

 

[BillyBob65]

I'v already showed you where in Acts 2 Peter said...21 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.’....with like John 3:16 and other verses baptism isn't even mentioned.

baptism is for those who are already saved.

Let's be fair in Acts 2 baptism is mentioned even commanded do you misunderstood that chapter

John 3:16 is before God starts adding to the church in Acts 2 therefore it's pointing to the acts of the coming kingdom and also just a few verses above it does imply one has to be born again which ties it to Acts 2

Try again using the conversions in Acts

 

[BillyBob65]

One more thought looking at Acts 22:16 it seems that Paul relates calling on the name of the Lord with being done through baptism

 

[CrowCross]

Let's be fair in Acts 2 baptism is mentioned even commanded do you misunderstood that chapter

John 3:16 is before God starts adding to the church in Acts 2 therefore it's pointing to the acts of the coming kingdom and also just a few verses above it does imply one has to be born again which ties it to Acts 2

Try again using the conversions in Acts

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[CrowCross]

One more thought looking at Acts 22:16 it seems that Paul relates calling on the name of the Lord with being done through baptism

Are you saying...salvation is not by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, but rather by works such as baptism?

 

[BillyBob65]

Are you saying...salvation is not by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, but rather by works such as baptism?

What I am asking is for you to point out in the book of Acts where a conversion is mentioned that doesn't mention baptism.

You gave Acts 2 but that chapter does command one to be baptized in Christ name

You said that calling on the name of the Lord excluded the command to be baptized so I showed you a parallel verse showing that the Bible (Paul spoke what the spirit gave him to say) said calling on the name of the Lord was through baptism in Acts 22:16.

 

[David Lamb]

What I am asking is for you to point out in the book of Acts where a conversion is mentioned that doesn't mention baptism.

You gave Acts 2 but that chapter does command one to be baptized in Christ name

You said that calling on the name of the Lord excluded the command to be baptized so I showed you a parallel verse showing that the Bible (Paul spoke what the spirit gave him to say) said calling on the name of the Lord was through baptism in Acts 22:16.

Well, Paul told the Philippian jailer to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved. It was only after they had believed that the jailer and his household were baptized:

“And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes. And immediately he and all his family were baptized. Now when he had brought them into his house, he set food before them; and he rejoiced, having believed in God with all his household.” (Ac 16:33-34 NKJV)