FOR or BECAUSE OF the forgiveness of your sins, (Acts 2:38)

[CrowCross]

don’t you think there’s enough going on at the moment with dispensationalism?

I've pretty much reduced the CT escalogical view of the white horse and millennial reigh to the point the CT'ers have ran out of responses.

How is baptism for the unsaved? Perhaps you have a point I haven't seen or considered.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I've pretty much reduced the CT escalogical view of the white horse and millennial reigh to the point the CT'ers have ran out of responses.

How is baptism for the unsaved? Perhaps you have a point I haven't seen or considered.

You haven't even given time to read your post fully yet let alone time to craft a response to it. You didn't reduce an argument to the point there's no response when you just made the argument and no one has had time to read and begin crafting a response yet.

 

[Carbon]

I've pretty much reduced the CT escalogical view of the white horse and millennial reigh to the point the CT'ers have ran out of responses.

How is baptism for the unsaved? Perhaps you have a point I haven't seen or considered.

You haven’t been successful at all bro. The way dispensationalists ignore truth, don’t change it. Ignoring gets ya no where. Sorry.

 

[CrowCross]

You haven't even given time to read your post fully yet let alone time to craft a response to it. You didn't reduce an argument to the point there's no response when you just made the argument and no one has had time to read and begin crafting a response yet.

You do know for the most part I was referring to two of your post in another thread...as well as a couple from other posters.

You can respond there...as this thread is about Acts 2:38.

 

[CrowCross]

You haven’t been successful at all bro. The way dispensationalists ignore truth, don’t change it. Ignoring gets ya no where. Sorry.

Then in the proper thread explain the white horse problem...explain the 1,000 year reign as already began problem.

 

[Carbon]

Then in the proper thread explain the white horse problem...explain the 1,000 year reign as already began problem.

Give it time bro. What is the big hurry? It seems whenever I give you something to consider, well not just I, but you deny it and say we gave you nothing. I’ll get there.

 

[BillyBob65]

Same thing happened to the Ethiopian official with phillip, as was water Baptized as a sign and confession to his faith already in Lord Jesus as Son of God

The Jailer and the Ethiopian we both baptized with the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ (Acts 2:38) which reads as God had it recorded
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Here we see I did not change any wording but posted just as God had it recorded. You see that and can't accept it because it messes your man made doctrine up so you try to say it is because of but we see in Acts 22:16 God had it recorded for us to understand his intent was indeed for the remission when he Had Paul tell us it was for washing away sin by calling on the name of the Lord
Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

It is not me rejecting what the scriptures teach it is you for the scripture explain itself if you would just allow it to do so.
In Romans 6 Paul explains how God is transforming us in the act of the baptism of Acts 2:38 and in all scripture talking about your baptism is referring to the same baptism as Acts 2:38

You can reject the biblical teaching on baptism all you want but it will be to your demise so I hope you take God at his word. That is what faith is taking God at his word for his word and only his word is truth and life. It matters not what I think pr what you think we ALL must take God at HIS word. Violation of rule 2.1 2.2

 

[BillyBob65]

So you have adjusted your view. That is good. However, one slight correction, A person believes because they have been baptized by the Holy Spirit as per John 3. The new birth also known as regeneration.

A person believes because faith comes by hearing Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. and yes because the spirit uses the word so baptizes with water as you point out in John 3 which Paul details how in Romans 6 where he tell you how one is born again. We must learn to use scripture correctly because it explains itself and shows forth the false teachers that it warns about.

 

[BillyBob65]

The entry way into the new Covenant is thru the Person of Jesus Christ, NOT thru any rite or sacrament

The entry way into the new covenant is through the blood of Christ and Romans 6 teaches we are baptized into Christ death on the cross which is in reference to Acts 2:38 it is clearly recorded just believe what was recorded that is faith believing Gods words.

 

[BillyBob65]

The real baptism that counts is the one that the Holy Spirit does on and he very moment received Jesus as savior and Lord thru faith, as he then indwells seals us into Jesus and the body in a spiritual union sense, and that is NOT when we get water baptized

The spirit baptizes with the baptism of Acts 2:38 for he works through the words of God. Acts 2:38 is a spiritual baptism in the fact that it is God working through this act and no one else. Romans 6 drawls that out.

 

[BillyBob65]

To obey the Command of Jesus to get water Baptized after believing in Him as your Savior and Lord

Yes to have your sins remitted and to receive the indwelling spirit. That is what Jesus said the reason he gave the command to be baptized in his name.

 

[CrowCross]

Give it time bro. What is the big hurry? It seems whenever I give you something to consider, well not just I, but you deny it and say we gave you nothing. I’ll get there.

I hope I didn't break any rules and your moderators don't red lne out what I said...and give me a couple of demerits. One in particular seems to be some what trigger happy.

 

[Carbon]

I hope I didn't break any rules and your moderators don't red lne out what I said...and give me a couple of demerits. One in particular seems to be some what trigger happy.

I wouldn’t worry too much about much, I think it’s okay.
I also understand how a dispensationalism can feel all flustered when they can’t prove their stuff with scripture.

So, no worries.

 

[Arial]

The spirit baptizes with the baptism of Acts 2:38 for he works through the words of God. Acts 2:38 is a spiritual baptism in the fact that it is God working through this act and no one else. Romans 6 drawls that out.

Acts 2:38 is water baptism, not Holy Spirit baptism. It is Jesus who baptizes with the Holy Spirit

Mark 1:8 I have baptized you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”

 

[Arial]

Yes to have your sins remitted and to receive the indwelling spirit. That is what Jesus said the reason he gave the command to be baptized in his name.

Jesus said, "Believe in me and you will be saved." He is the one who died, was buried, and rose from the grave. Water baptism is a visible proclamation of his death and resurrection---an outward gospel proclamation. That is why he says to be baptized in his name---meaning him, who he is, the resurrected Son of God. No other name will save. No other name laid down his life for those God was giving him, no other name was raised from the dead, no other name saves.

Water baptism signifies our union with him and his eternal life that he gives. It signifies our own death and burial and our future resurrection because of that union. And the union is made by grace and through faith. It is a visible, public confession of our faith in Christ.

 

[BillyBob65]

Acts 2:38 is water baptism, not Holy Spirit baptism. It is Jesus who baptizes with the Holy Spirit

Mark 1:8 I have baptized you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”

Yes John could not baptize with the spirit was not given in John's baptize Jesus was the one to baptize with the spirit and is recorded doing so in Acts 2:38. The spirit was not could not be given before the cross.

 

[BillyBob65]

Jesus said, "Believe in me and you will be saved." He is the one who died, was buried, and rose from the grave. Water baptism is a visible proclamation of his death and resurrection---an outward gospel proclamation. That is why he says to be baptized in his name---meaning him, who he is, the resurrected Son of God. No other name will save. No other name laid down his life for those God was giving him, no other name was raised from the dead, no other name saves.

Water baptism signifies our union with him and his eternal life that he gives. It signifies our own death and burial and our future resurrection because of that union. And the union is made by grace and through faith. It is a visible, public confession of our faith in Christ.

You can keep telling yourself that all you want but it does not change the truth of Gods word. Jesus has clearly shown you what the baptism he put his name on does for you. There are many wonderful blessing in the baptism that caries his name but you insist on taking all the grace out of baptism> The bible says God is at work in the baptism of transforming us from dead in sin to alive in Christ. Jesus said to believe in him and says to do so is to believe his words because his words are spirit and life what he teaches is what we are to believe. He is the one giving all the words in baptism I am merely pointing them out. Jesus said He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Who am I to believe Jesus or your words?

 

[Arial]

A person believes because faith comes by hearing Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

True. We can't know what to believe unless we are told (hear) what to believe. But why is it that not all who do hear believe? In fact, more don't believe than those who do believe.

and yes because the spirit uses the word so baptizes with water

I am just guessing where you mean to have periods in your post. Where does Scripture explicitly say that the Spirit uses the word to baptize with water? That would be something that would need to be explicit.

as you point out in John 3

John 3 does not say that the Holy Spirit uses the word to baptize with water, and I never pointed out that it did. In John 3 Jesus explicitly says that no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born again of the Spirit.

Compare that to John 1:12-13 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, 13who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

 

[Carbon]

You can keep telling yourself that all you want but it does not change the truth of Gods word. Jesus has clearly shown you what the baptism he put his name on does for you. There are many wonderful blessing in the baptism that caries his name but you insist on taking all the grace out of baptism> The bible says God is at work in the baptism of transforming us from dead in sin to alive in Christ. Jesus said to believe in him and says to do so is to believe his words because his words are spirit and life what he teaches is what we are to believe. He is the one giving all the words in baptism I am merely pointing them out. Jesus said He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Who am I to believe Jesus or your words?

You know you're pretty persistent in trying to pass this false gospel, I'll give you that. I really think you actually believe it. And I am sorry, I do not mean to be disrespectful to you, but it is very important, and we are obligated that false gospels need to be pointed out. Since you bring this stuff to this forum, you press us to be ready and act. In the word we are told, preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. 2 Tim 4:2.

I ask you to reconsider what scripture teaches about Jesus Christ. "We are saved by grace alone, through faith alone in Christ alone."

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6.

 

[BillyBob65]

True. We can't know what to believe unless we are told (hear) what to believe. But why is it that not all who do hear believe? In fact, more don't believe than those who do believe.

I am just guessing where you mean to have periods in your post. Where does Scripture explicitly say that the Spirit uses the word to baptize with water? That would be something that would need to be explicit.

John 3 does not say that the Holy Spirit uses the word to baptize with water, and I never pointed out that it did. In John 3 Jesus explicitly says that no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born again of the Spirit.

Compare that to John 1:12-13 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, 13who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

True. We can't know what to believe unless we are told (hear) what to believe. But why is it that not all who do hear believe? In fact, more don't believe than those who do believe.

13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Where does Scripture explicitly say that the Spirit uses the word to baptize with water? That would be something that would need to be explicit.

The same place where it says faith only.

John 3 does not say that the Holy Spirit uses the word to baptize with water, and I never pointed out that it did. In John 3 Jesus explicitly says that no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born again of the Spirit.

It is a biblical fact that Jesus and the spirit only uses the words God gave them to teach thus they teach it and it is through the teaching that any action is done. It is just as John 4:1 is trying to get you to understand even though Jesus did not do the actual dipping in water it is said he baptized more than John because he taught it.

Compare that to John 1:12-13 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, 13who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

They believed the teaching of Gods word for it teaches the name of Christ and received the right to become did not say was then declared the children.
who were born not of blood (by human birth) or of the will of flesh of man (the teachings of man) but of God ( in accordance to Gods word.)