Eternal life, given or offered?

[Mr GLee]

Christ's faith?? A ridiculous concept.

Ridiculously powerful .What if some did not exercise a power coming from Christ. . a faith as it is written. The faith of Christ the husband.

Roman 3:2-3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Imagine God as working a work of his faithfulness . . "Let there be" and nothing occurred? dead faith no power .

 

[JIM]

Ridiculously powerful .What if some did not exercise a power coming from Christ. . a faith as it is written. The faith of Christ the husband.

Roman 3:2-3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Imagine God as working a work of his faithfulness . . "Let there be" and nothing occurred? dead faith no power .

That is a really bad translation/interpretation.

Rom 3:3 What if some were unfaithful? Does their faithlessness nullify the faithfulness of God?

Just as the concept of the faith of Christ is an oxymoron, so also is the concept of the faith of God.

 

[LeviR]

Did you believe anything that your parents told you before you were born again?

Born again = regenerated through immersion in water and then being born from the dead by resurrection.
This is how the faithful ultimately enter the kingdom of God.

 

[Mr GLee]

That is a really bad translation/interpretation.

Rom 3:3 What if some were unfaithful? Does their faithlessness nullify the faithfulness of God?

Just as the concept of the faith of Christ is an oxymoron, so also is the concept of the faith of God.

In other words what if some remained in doubt without the power of the faith of God needed to both (1) believe and (2) exercise his faith .

Jesus the Son of man did the will of the father with delight. Some like Jonah murmured and kicked against the pricks

It works in us to both hear and understand and empower us to do it to the god pleasure of His faith . Satan would say God does not need faith

Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to (1)will and (2) to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

. Jesus the Son of man did the will of the father strengthened by the daily bread or called hidden manna Rev 2:17.


The food for spirit life , food the apostles knew not of .Again food to (1) understand and (2) empower to finish the work

John 4:33-35King James Version33 Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat? Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

 

[JIM]

In other words what if some remained in doubt without the power of the faith of God needed to both (1) believe and (2) exercise his faith .

Jesus the Son of man did the will of the father with delight. Some like Jonah murmured and kicked against the pricks

It works in us to both hear and understand and empower us to do it to the god pleasure of His faith . Satan would say God does not need faith

Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to (1)will and (2) to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

. Jesus the Son of man did the will of the father strengthened by the daily bread or called hidden manna Rev 2:17.


The food for spirit life , food the apostles knew not of .Again food to (1) understand and (2) empower to finish the work

John 4:33-35King James Version33 Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat? Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

Define and explain the faith of God. What is it that God cannot know but only believe?

 

[Arial]

Hebrews gives us the definition of faith:
Heb 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

Romans gives us the source of faith:
Rom 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

Neither the definition of faith, nor the source of faith can even be a concept which could be assigned or connected with Jesus. The very phrase, Jesus' faith, is an oxymoron. It makes no sense. It cannot be attributed to Jesus Christ, God the Son.

Also, I would point out that justification is a legal concept. Justification is the legal act of God declaring a complete right legal standing before the law of God and a freedom from the law’s penalty. It is the declaration by God of the complete forgiveness, the total remission, of the sins of the repentant believer. There really is no other justification than "legal" justification.

But, as always, I await what you have to say.

To say that Jesus had faith is not saying he was justified. Justification belongs to the sinner through faith in Christ.

Remember that Jesus is not only Son of God, but also Son of man. As our substitute he was like us, and our (and also the Israelites) problem was a lack of faith in God. Unbelief that he will do, and can do, what he says he will do. That is why so many of the Israel covenant community also turned to other gods.

As a man, it was imperative that Jesus have complete and uncompromised faith in God. He had to trust that if God would raise him from the dead as Savior, Priest, and King, that he would do so. Think of the suffering Jesus endured all his life but especially on the cross. His flesh cried out to not have to endure it. And yet he also said, "Not my will, but your will be done." And he willingly gave himself into the hands of God.

 

[Mr GLee]

Define and explain the faith of God. What is it that God cannot know but only believe?

It has nothing to do with what God cannot know rather that revealing what his living faith hopes . "Let there be". . .and is was "the good witness God not seen" . . .has spoken.

Not or our faith (dead) no testimony. Nothing changes nothing

 

[JIM]

Whoever thinks that either God the Father or God the Son needed or had faith doesn't know and understand what faith is.

 

[Ladodgers6]

What did I say to make you think that? No one can save themselves. I don't know anyone who thinks a sinner can save himself. That has nothing whatsoever to do with whether faith comes before regeneration, which it does of course.

Okay, I'll explain this in steps. If you don't mind, just bear with me. What is regeneration? And what is Faith?

 

[LeviR]

Whoever thinks that either God the Father or God the Son needed or had faith doesn't know and understand what faith is.

Was the Son confident the Father would raise him from the dead?

 

[Ladodgers6]

Believing in God is the act of a human. Saving the believer is an act of God. No one I know of has ever said that one doesn't need anything from God to enter heaven. I certainly didn't.

The reason why those who hold to a libertarian free-will after the Fall get charged with sinners not being saved by God's Grace is because they go against scripture depicting sinners in bondage to sin. This is the natural estate of man after the Fall. Our hearts and minds are darkened, our very souls follow the prince of the air desiring the passions of the flesh and mind. Scripture is also clear on our relationship with God after the Fall. We are rebellious enemies, have enmity and hostility toward God. We are a cursed humanity who fell out of a righteous and holy relationship with God in the Garden Temple.

This is why Jesus says nobody can be saved without first being born again. And that this regeneration is the power of the Holy Spirit not man. Scripture also states that this is not the desire or will of man but by the Mercy and Grace of God. Faith itself is also a gift from God along with repentance. All these saving gifts are from God himself and not some good intentions by the curse fallen creature.

To suggest fallen man can mustard up a saving gift on his/her own is a man-made doctrine that the serpent taught in the garden. That God is a liar and trust in the creature for your freedom and salvation.​

 

[JIM]

The reason why those who hold to a libertarian free-will after the Fall get charged with sinners not being saved by God's Grace is because they go against scripture depicting sinners in bondage to sin. This is the natural estate of man after the Fall. Our hearts and minds are darkened, our very souls follow the prince of the air desiring the passions of the flesh and mind. Scripture is also clear on our relationship with God after the Fall. We are rebellious enemies, have enmity and hostility toward God. We are a cursed humanity who fell out of a righteous and holy relationship with God in the Garden Temple.

This is why Jesus says nobody can be saved without first being born again. And that this regeneration is the power of the Holy Spirit not man. Scripture also states that this is not the desire or will of man but by the Mercy and Grace of God. Faith itself is also a gift from God along with repentance. All these saving gifts are from God himself and not some good intentions by the curse fallen creature.

To suggest fallen man can mustard up a saving gift on his/her own is a man-made doctrine that the serpent taught in the garden. That God is a liar and trust in the creature for your freedom and salvation.​

The entire teaching usually presented for "the fall" is bogus. Adam sinned, as did Eve. And they got ejected from the Garden and no longer had access to the benefits provided by the Garden. They also became dead in their sin the instant that they sinned. But it did not affect the standing before God of anyone else. As I said, all that teaching about "the fall" that is usually presented is just wrong.

 

[Ladodgers6]

The entire teaching usually presented for "the fall" is bogus. Adam sinned, as did Eve. And they got ejected from the Garden and no longer had access to the benefits provided by the Garden. They also became dead in their sin the instant that they sinned. But it did not affect the standing before God of anyone else. As I said, all that teaching about "the fall" that is usually presented is just wrong.

Really??? Then why do we all need a Savior from sin? Has anyone other Christ been free of sin? As Christ once said, let him who has no sin, cast a stone. The Bible over and over again depicts our fallen nature from the original state in the Garden. God created Adam righteous and holy. Adam walked and talked with God in the Garden Temple.

Jer. 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?
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Historically, virtually every church that has a creed or a confession has agreed that something very serious happened to the human race as a result of the first sin—the first sin produced original sin. That is, as a result of the sin of Adam and Eve, the entire human race fell so that our nature as human beings since the fall has been influenced by the power of evil.

As David declared in the Old Testament, “I was born in sin, and in sin did my mother conceive me” (Ps. 51:5). He was not saying that it was a sinful thing for his mother and father to have borne children, nor was he saying that he had done something evil by being born. Rather, he was acknowledging the human condition of fallenness, which was part of the experience of his parents and with which he himself came into this world.

So, original sin has to do with the fallen nature of mankind. The idea is that we are not sinners because we sin, but that we sin because we are sinners.

This is why I have asked you if you believe people can be saved apart from God's Grace. Because if people are not sinners by solidarity in Adam, then this misleads people to think and believe, that they are good people, and do not need a Redeemer, right? Because only the sick or sinners need to be healed by a doctor, not me a righteous or good person, correct? Understand?

So the question becomes for you. Is there anyone who does not sin? And if not, how come?​

 

[JIM]

Really??? Then why do we all need a Savior from sin?​

Because we all sinned.

Has anyone other Christ been free of sin? As Christ once said, let him who has no sin, cast a stone. The Bible over and over again depicts our fallen nature from the original state in the Garden. God created Adam righteous and holy. Adam walked and talked with God in the Garden Temple.​

Actually, the Bible never ever talks about our fallen nature. I talks over and over about our trespasses and sins.

Jer. 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?
​

Historically, virtually every church that has a creed or a confession has agreed that something very serious happened to the human race as a result of the first sin—the first sin produced original sin. That is, as a result of the sin of Adam and Eve, the entire human race fell so that our nature as human beings since the fall has been influenced by the power of evil.

And that, as I noted about is bogus. All of that is a bunch of hooey.

As David declared in the Old Testament, “I was born in sin, and in sin did my mother conceive me” (Ps. 51:5).

If you want to take that as a literal statement of the condition of David and the rest of humanity as born, then you must also take Ps. 51:7 as the literal means of purification.

So, original sin has to do with the fallen nature of mankind. The idea is that we are not sinners because we sin, but that we sin because we are sinners.

And that idea is false, unless you want to claim that Adam and Eve also sinned because they were sinners.

This is why I have asked you if you believe people can be saved apart from God's Grace. Because if people are not sinners by solidarity in Adam, then this misleads people to think and believe, that they are good people, and do not need a Redeemer, right? Because only the sick or sinners need to be healed by a doctor, not me a righteous or good person, correct? Understand?​

Yes, I understand. And it is wrong. We are saved by grace through faith. But the doctrine of Original Sin has nothing whatsoever with needing to be saved by grace. We need to be saved because we sinned, not because Adam sinned.

So the question becomes for you. Is there anyone who does not sin? And if not, how come?​

You have the answer to that question. Why did you sin? When you answer that truthfully, you will have the answer. Now if you have trouble answering that question, come on back and I will answer it for you.

 

[Mr GLee]

Whoever thinks that either God the Father or God the Son needed or had faith doesn't know and understand what faith is.

That's your idea not one that comes from studying the bible .

You say God has no faith.

What is no faith ?

Deuteronomy 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.

What would be the oposite of faith ?

What is dead works as a faith towards God ?

Hebrews 6:1 James Version Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

 

[JIM]

That's your idea not one that comes from studying the bible .

You say God has no faith.

What is no faith ?

Deuteronomy 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.

What would be the oposite of faith ?

What is dead works as a faith towards God ?

Hebrews 6:1 James Version Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

I stand by my statement. And that seems to mean that you don't really even know what faith is.

 

[Mr GLee]

I stand by my statement. And that seems to mean that you don't really even know what faith is.

You are standing but not giving any evidence .

Faith produces evidence .don't be afraid . . .study by rightly dividing

 

[JIM]

You are standing but not giving any evidence .

Evidence of what? That you don't really know what faith is? Your post is the evidence of that.

 

[Mr GLee]

Evidence of what? That you don't really know what faith is? Your post is the evidence of that.

No, evidence of His faith as he knows it .

Christ Faithfully pronouncing the living abiding word . "Let there be " and the evidence he spoke ."It was God alone good" .

 

[Ladodgers6]

Because we all sinned.

I want to focus on this comment. Can you expound upon it?

Paul says because of the One Sin of the One Man, condemnation was passed on to all men. This is judgement of the Sin of the One Man is the cause of condemnation spread upon all men. How? Because Adam is the Federal Head of the Human Race; just like the second or last Adam is also the Federal Head of the New Heavens and New Earth.

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation.

This passage is clear and explicit of the One Man's Sin. Some will argue that Adam's sin is not imputed to his progeny (natural descendants of Adam/those born of the flesh). But Paul again hammers that death reigned between Adam's Fall and Moses. Why does Paul mention this? Because there was no Law between Adam's Fall and Moses. And where there is no Law there is no sin. Knowledge of sin comes through the Law. But yet the judgement of death due to sin still reigned upon all people between Adam and Moses. This is because all people are fallen in Adam and inherit Adam corrupt nature and his curse because we all are born of Adam. Understand, this is why we need to be born again of the Spirit, not the flesh.

So, please provide your exposition on all sinned, thanks.​