Does the Lord take us to heaven and we reign with Him

[Wordsmith]

We are living in tribulations now, but it is not the great tribulation that is coming after the rapture event. That is why we are warned to be ready or else and this what we are to be praying for to escape what is coming on the earth.

Revelation 13:7
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
The saints are here during the tribulation!

I know you answer is probably they were saved after the pre-trib rapture. I will be waiting for you to prove that with scripture.
Daniel 7:20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

 

[Wordsmith]

And yet missing the forest for all the trees. Why is Jesus warning saved believers not to go back to take something from their hokes to bring with them when He comes?

Luke 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

32 Remember Lot's wife.

33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

This is why believers are exhorted to not treasure anything on this earth but have their hearts on the treasures above.

Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: 20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: 21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

This is why He is warning saved believers to be ready and willing to go and it is certainly not descriptive towards the end of the great tribulation, but in the times we are living in now.

Maybe deal will the actually points I made in Luke 17. No one is taken to heaven, those take are fed to the birds. Read the text!

 

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I believed as you for the first part of my Christian life then I saw the truth of scripture. There is no pre-trib rapture anywhere in scripture. It is only by reading it into many passages and ignoring the ones that clearly show it to be false can one arrive at such a doctrine.

You have yet to display that knowledge, brother, from how and why you went from one belief to the other.

I will be glad to discuss any passage you post. there are no clearly stated passages showing a return trip to heaven with Jesus when He comes.

Where is the Marriage Supper held at where the firstfruits are sitting down to be served?

Revelation 19:1And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: 2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand. 3 And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever. 4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia. 5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great. 6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. 7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. 9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

In Heaven.

When is this Marriage Supper was to take place?

Revelation 19:1And after these things....

What things?

Revelation 19:2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

What great whore? The one mentioned in the previous chapter in Revelation.

The one that was judged in Revelation 18th chapter whereby the saints that had gone astray were found left behind and dead in her. That was why Jesus is calling the saints to come out of her.

Revelation 18:1And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. 2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. 4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. 22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; 23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. 24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth

That is why the voice of the bridegroom and the bride will no longer be heard in her any more because the rapture for the Marriage Supper has come & gone.

In fact when you take church history as a whole the pre-trib rapture if a fairly recent promotion. Also the larger percentage of the churches today reject it.

Actually it is taught in the scriptures but I do recognize that some convey that which they claim is only a recent teaching or promotion but do take note that there are several claims to this but if you research this origin of this claim, it is from at least 2 different people in different times in history.

See why the many are called but few are chosen for that Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

The Called !

Then may you see why God is judging His House first at the pre great tribulation rapture event.

1 Peter 4:1Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. 3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: 4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you: 5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.

13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. 14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

That is why Jesus is warning believers to be ready and not even be found drunk in these latter days we are living in which hardly any believer will be tempted to do at the end of the great tribulation ( not having the mark of the beast to buy & sell to get drunk ) when not even they can be tempted to be overcharged for the cares of this life for that day to come to them as unaware that they would not want to leave.

Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. 34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Read 2 Peter 3rd chapter for why Peter is exhorting believers in these latter days we are living in to be ready to escape that fire coming on the earth because God will judge a third of it with fire that will also set the stage for the coming new world order & the mark of the beast system.

2 Peter 3rd Chapter

So as Peter referenced the Biblical global flood, so did Jesus in Luke 17:26-37 along with Sodom & Gomorrah as leaving that place ( earth) that is going to be judged by fire as the world was once judged by that global flood. This is running that race is all about by looking to Jesus to help us lay aside every weight & sin in walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son to avoid being disqualified from attending the Marriage Supper held in Heaven at the pre great tribulation rapture event.

 

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Maybe deal will the actually points I made in Luke 17. No one is taken to heaven, those take are fed to the birds. Read the text!

Then explain why Jesus referenced the Biblical global flood and the judgment that fell on Sodom & Gomorrah to escape from?

Both of these testify to leaving the place to survive judgment just as Revelation 3:7-11 promised the church at Philadelphia to "keep" them from the hour of temptation that shall try all upon the earth which is the hour of temptation ( the great tribulation ) to take the mark of the beast to buy & sell to survive in that NWO. That is the only way one can be kept from that hour of temptation when they are raptured from the earth.

 

[Wordsmith]

Why receive us in the clouds if we are coming back to earth?

Because scripture does say we will meet Him in the air it does not say we return to heaven after doing so. Going back to heaven is only assumed, which not a good way to arrive at doctrine.

Why not leave us on the earth if He is coming to earth to establish His reign after the great tribulation?

You can ask Him when you see Him. Scripture just says we meet Him in the air, no reason as to why is given. Why question the motives of the Lord?

Why warned us not to go back to our homes to take anything with us if our homes and treasures on earth will still be there if we are coming back right away?

I've explained those that are worried about materials possessions are not the righteous. Those that are taken in Luke 17 are not the righteous.

 

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Then explain why Jesus referenced the Biblical global flood and the judgment that fell on Sodom & Gomorrah to escape from?

Both of these testify to leaving the place to survive judgment just as Revelation 3:7-11 promised the church at Philadelphia to "keep" them from the hour of temptation that shall try all upon the earth which is the hour of temptation ( the great tribulation ) to take the mark of the beast to buy & sell to survive in that NWO. That is the only way one can be kept from that hour of temptation when they are raptured from the earth.

You can't answer a question by asking more questions.

Noah did not leave the earth he was protect from the flood while still in the midst of it.

Lot was warned to leave the city. He chose to heed that warn and was spared. This in no way is a type of a rapture to heaven.

Do you have any scripture that says we are taken back to heaven when Jesus comes?

Can you answer this question whiteout asking. another question?

 

[Wordsmith]

Both of these testify to leaving the place to survive judgment just as Revelation 3:7-11 promised the church at Philadelphia to "keep" them from the hour of temptation that shall try all upon the earth which is the hour of temptation ( the great tribulation ) to take the mark of the beast to buy & sell to survive in that NWO. That is the only way one can be kept from that hour of temptation when they are raptured from the earth.

No that is not the only way one can be protected from temptation or tribulation. You have only assumed that.

Revelation 3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.

9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

This does not say anything about a trip to heaven, again you have only assumed that to be the case.

11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.



Below is a scriptural example of God's Devine protection on this earth.

Revelation 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

 

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Because scripture does say we will meet Him in the air it does not say we return to heaven after doing so. Going back to heaven is only assumed, which not a good way to arrive at doctrine.

John 14:1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Where is Jesus now? In Heaven preparing a place for us.
Revelation 19:1And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: 2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand. 3 And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever. 4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.

5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great. 6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. 7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. 9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Where is this Marriage Supper? In Heaven. So that means when the saints meet Him in the air and are forever with the Lord, this Marriage Supper is in Heaven after meeting Him in the clouds.

Now note what happens AFTER that door is shut for the Marriage Supper in how that Heaven is opened again next in the following verses.

Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords. 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. 19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Then we see Him returning with the pre great tribulation raptured saints at the end of the great tribulation to do battle with the world's armies marching unto Jerusalem. That means He is touching down on the Mount of Olives per Zechariah 14:1-5 & is on earth to do battle with said army. He is not meeting any saints in the air at that time. In revelation 20:1-6, we see that army defeated & Satan is in the pit for a thousand years before He resurrected those that went through the great tribulation. Again, He is not meeting those saints in the air.

 

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You can't answer a question by asking more questions.

Noah did not leave the earth he was protect from the flood while still in the midst of it.

Lot was warned to leave the city. He chose to heed that warn and was spared. This in no way is a type of a rapture to heaven.

Do you have any scripture that says we are taken back to heaven when Jesus comes?

Can you answer this question whiteout asking. another question?

When it pertains to the topic, asking questions can be a way for Him to make you reconsider. I can only hope He is leading me to do that.

Really thinking you are overlooking that "escape" He is talking about in Luke 21:33-36 in regards to that fire coming on the earth after the pre great tribulation rapture event. This is why Peter is warning believers to endure to the end and not give in to the temptations in the world.

2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

 

[Wordsmith]

Where is the Marriage Supper held at where the firstfruits are sitting down to be served?

Revelation 19:1And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: 2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand. 3 And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever. 4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia. 5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great. 6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. 7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. 9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

In Heaven.

When is this Marriage Supper was to take place?

I will submit to you the scripture does not say anywhere the marriage supper is held in heaven as you claim. Another assumption on your part.

1. The marriage supper of the Lamb is only mentioned in Revelation 19:9. No location is given.

2. The marriage of the Lamb is mentioned in Revelation 19:7 . No mention of the supper or the location of the marriage. Only that the time of the marriage is come.

3. Luke 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come. This is th next scriptural time Jesus will drink with the Saints. That is when the kingdom of God shall come. Does not state this is heaven.

What is my point here? very little is said about the marriage supper in scripture and nothing is said about it being in heaven. That is another assumption by many.

 

[ChristB4us]

No that is not the only way one can be protected from temptation or tribulation. You have only assumed that.

Revelation 3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.

9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

This does not say anything about a trip to heaven, again you have only assumed that to be the case.

11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

Explain Paul's warning which entails more than a loss of the reward of crowns but how one can become a castaway?

1 Corinthians 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. 25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. 26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: 27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Below is a scriptural example of God's Devine protection on this earth.

Revelation 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

I would say that applies to the Jews that goes through the other half of the great tribulation when the son of perdition reveals himself.

Going back to the church at Philadelphia, I applied that to mean the believer is not on earth to go through that hour of temptation; therefore they are never tempted by the mark of the beast to buy & sell to survive.

Now go to the church at Thyatira.... for the consequence of not departing from iniquity.... which is to be cast into the bed of the coming great tribulation.

Revelation 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. 20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. 25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

So believers in these latter days that do not depart from this spiritual fornication where they speak the utter depths of Satan for which they speak as that is what tongues for private use is stemming from that apostate calling of seeking to receive Him by a sign, thus committing spiritual adultery... are at risk of being left behind unless they repent by His grace & By His help before the Bridegroom comes.

Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

You ARE living in the latter days where faith is hard to find as many are departing from faith in resorting to their own powers ( Promise Keepers' program & commitment to follow Christ for keeping it for the assurance of salvation ) or chasing after other gods ;( receiving another baptism of the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues or by that sign of tongues which never comes with interpretation & thus assumed for private use when it is not of Him at all but of Satan per Isaiah 8:19. )

This is why Jesus is warning His churches in revelation to be ready or else.

 

[ChristB4us]

I will submit to you the scripture does not say anywhere the marriage supper is held in heaven as you claim. Another assumption on your part.

1. The marriage supper of the Lamb is only mentioned in Revelation 19:9. No location is given.

2. The marriage of the Lamb is mentioned in Revelation 19:7 . No mention of the supper or the location of the marriage. Only that the time of the marriage is come.

3. Luke 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come. This is th next scriptural time Jesus will drink with the Saints. That is when the kingdom of God shall come. Does not state this is heaven.

What is my point here? very little is said about the marriage supper in scripture and nothing is said about it being in heaven. That is another assumption by many.

Revelation 19:1-10 is testifying of what is happening in Heaven and that is where the Marriage Supper is being held.

Below is God judging His House at the pre great tribulation rapture event for why many shall be left behind for not departing from iniquity by the time the Bridegroom has come.

Note the sit down with the Old Testament saints a this "table" in Heaven.

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. 29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

Other scripture testifies to the Marriage Supper as something not accessible on earth since those invited are called to leave their lives behind.

Luke 14:15 And when one of them that sat at meat with him heard these things, he said unto him, Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God. 16 Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many: 17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready. 18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused. 19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused. 20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come. 21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind. 22 And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room. 23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled. 24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.

So saved believers can be snared by the cares of this life to not want to leave for that Marriage Supper held in Heaven. That is His warning to saved believer which hardly applies to believers running for their lives and starving to death at the end of the great tribulation.

That is the escape you are to be praying for to be ready as found abiding in Him & being willing to go in leaving our lives behind.

Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. 34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

 

[Wordsmith]

John 14:1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

When Jesus comes again verse 3. where is He? When He comes again He is right here on earth. He will receive us unto Himself in the air. No scripture says we go back to heaven with Him. If you have one post it, assumptions don't count.

Yes Jesus is preparing a place for us but we are not going to spend eternity in heaven (where God now dwells ). Is it your claim that the mansions Jesus is preparing for us will only be occupied in heaven during the tribulation and then abandoned to come back here to rule and reign with Him?

Seems a waste to spend 2000 years preparing mansions to only be occupied for such a short time. I say the dead in Christ are occupying those mansion right now. BUT I can admit I can't prove that.

Again you have shown no scripture that says we ever go to heaven (where God now dwells ). The only scriptural exception to this is at death our spirit, soul goes to heaven. I can show you from scripture the souls of saints in heaven can you show me any passage that's states a resurrected glorified saint in an eternal bod in heaven? Please post it, assumptions do not count.

Where is Jesus now? In Heaven preparing a place for us.

Yes He is, but when He comes again He is right here on this earth.

 

[Wordsmith]

Revelation 19:1-10 is testifying of what is happening in Heaven

Yep

1. much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:and that is where the Marriage Supper is being held.

2. And again they said, Alleluia

3. the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.

4. And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.

5.And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

The above is what is happening in heaven.

and that is where the Marriage Supper is being held.

Nothing says that . again you have assumed that to be true. You are free to believe that but scripture does not state that.

7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

the marriage is come is stated, no mention of a supper or heaven.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

Blessed are they that are called to the supper, no mention of it taking place in heaven, no description of the menu or anything else about it.

You are free to assume what you wish.

 

[turbomaniac]

When the second coming will happen the Lord at an instance will change this universe in something better with new material and we will get our new eternal bodies (both the living at that moment and the dead of all human history) . A few of us will join him at this new earth and most of us will be casted out of this new earth at the eternal damnation in a hell out of this new earth with the demons to apply their hate into the damned humans. There will be no death only the eternal damnation or eternal life with the Lord. Do not expect a second chance for salvation you have only this life to repent. Do not expect of any reincarnation also.

 

[ChristB4us]

When Jesus comes again verse 3. where is He? When He comes again He is right here on earth. He will receive us unto Himself in the air. No scripture says we go back to heaven with Him. If you have one post it, assumptions don't count.

Yes Jesus is preparing a place for us but we are not going to spend eternity in heaven (where God now dwells ). Is it your claim that the mansions Jesus is preparing for us will only be occupied in heaven during the tribulation and then abandoned to come back here to rule and reign with Him?

Seems a waste to spend 2000 years preparing mansions to only be occupied for such a short time. I say the dead in Christ are occupying those mansion right now. BUT I can admit I can't prove that.

Again you have shown no scripture that says we ever go to heaven (where God now dwells ). The only scriptural exception to this is at death our spirit, soul goes to heaven. I can show you from scripture the souls of saints in heaven can you show me any passage that's states a resurrected glorified saint in an eternal bod in heaven? Please post it, assumptions do not count.

Yes He is, but when He comes again He is right here on this earth.

Not according to what Jesus has said, no.

John 14:1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Jesus is telling His disciples that He will be leaving for the Father soon and that He is going to prepare a "mansion" for them in His Father's House so that when He does come again, He will receive them to where He is now... in that third Heaven; aka God's throne.

Now His coming as the Bridegroom is for the receiving of the abiding bride of Christ after having prepared a place for them in the Father's House in Heaven; hence how that City of God has her inhabitants before it comes down after the great tribulation.

Nobody has received their inheritance yet in that City of God that the Bridegroom is still building; not the O.T. saints and neither the N.T. saints because they are not in their glorified resurrected bodies to dwell in that City of God in Heaven yet.

Paradise which was formerly located beneath the earth across that great chasm or gulf from hell when Jesus was on earth, has been moved after His resurrection & ascension to the third Heaven where the departed souls of both O.T. saints & N.T. saints are awaiting for that firstfruits of the resurrection as vessels unto honor in His House which is to take place when God judges His House at the pre great tribulation rapture.

Those saints found in unrepentant iniquity and former believers that get left behind for denying Him by works or by words, are the "reprobates" as disqualified to attend the marriage Supper of the Lamb in Heaven but they are still saved because this is how there are vessels unto dishonor in His House that did not depart from iniquity before the Bridegroom had come as they are still in His House bit to be resurrected after the great tribulation to serve the King of kings on earth in rising up the following generations in that 1000 year reign of Christ before Satan is released for a small season to stage a last rebellion which Satan will be defeated for the last time.

 

[ChristB4us]

Yep

1. much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:and that is where the Marriage Supper is being held.

2. And again they said, Alleluia

3. the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.

4. And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.

5.And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

The above is what is happening in heaven.



Nothing says that . again you have assumed that to be true. You are free to believe that but scripture does not state that.

Once more into the breach.... May God cause the increase and show you His words plainly stated.
Revelation 19:1And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: 2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand. 3 And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever. 4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.

5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great. 6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. 7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. 9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

the marriage is come is stated, no mention of a supper or heaven.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

Blessed are they that are called to the supper, no mention of it taking place in heaven, no description of the menu or anything else about it.

You are free to assume what you wish.

5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great. 6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. 7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. 9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

Repeated in red for the obvious as to where this was Marriage Supper was being said AND held.

 

[Wordsmith]

Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

The quote above is what is says!

What it does not say is Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb, come up hither for the marriage supper in heaven. We shall eat while the tribulation rages on earth.

Put all you want in red. It still does not say what you claim. It is a man made doctrine built on assumptions with no clear scriptural support.

Revelation 19:1-10 is the scene in heaven just before the return of Christ in verses 10--20.

Nothing says a supper takes place at that time it only blesses those called.

We can just agree to disagree.

 

[Wordsmith]

Jesus is telling His disciples that He will be leaving for the Father soon and that He is going to prepare a "mansion" for them in His Father's House so that when He does come again, He will receive them to where He is now... in that third Heaven; aka God's throne.

John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

2 In my Father's house are many mansions (Strongs 3438): if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode (Strongs 3438) with him.

Abode is the same Greek word as mansions.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

 

[ChristB4us]

The quote above is what is says!

What it does not say is Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb, come up hither for the marriage supper in heaven. We shall eat while the tribulation rages on earth.

Put all you want in red. It still does not say what you claim. It is a man made doctrine built on assumptions with no clear scriptural support.

Revelation 19:1-10 is the scene in heaven just before the return of Christ in verses 10--20.

Nothing says a supper takes place at that time it only blesses those called.

We can just agree to disagree.

I can ask you to pray to Jesus to help you receive the truth just to make sure you are not missing anything important that He wants you to know because of a teaching you are adhering to whereby you just do not want to believe the pre great tribulation rapture is true.