Does, or can, our eschatological beliefs have an effect on our soteriology?

[Carbon]

More specifically, can our prophetic interpretation influence or condition our understanding of salvation by faith?

Don’t each eschatological system have their own form of hermeneutical methods? I believe they do and effect how we understand scripture in general.

Can our view affect the way we view and understand God’s wrath on Christ at the cross?

 

[Deleted member 6]

I think they are interrelated in some way, as I don’t think eschatology and soteriology are mutually exclusive. I think dispensationalism’s eschatological system effects soteriology the most.

 

[Fish4Fun]

Not sure about soteriology, as I would think James White & R.C. Sproul who started Pre-Mil, then A-Mil then to Post - Mil never changed their view on it . ( Maybe James White did before becoming ' reformed ' ) Also throw in John MacArthur who is Pre-Mil and I would say his view on it matches theirs. .. Now Eschatology , yes you will have differing views etc...

 

[atpollard]

Does, or can, our eschatological beliefs have an effect on our soteriology?
I don't think so. Our Soteriology might predispose us to certain Eschatology assumptions over others, but I don't think Eschatology changes Soteriology. Let's look at a few options.
PRETERISM: So I believe [hypothetically] everything Biblically Prohetic has been fulfilled. How does my Daughter get saved?

• Romans 10:9-10 [NLT] If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by confessing with your mouth that you are saved.
• Ephesians 2:8-9 [NLT] God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can't take credit for this; it is a gift from God. Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it.
  
• Is there any reason to think that a Preterist would disagree that this is how his daughter would be saved?

AMILLENIALISM: So I believe [hypothetically] Jesus began a symbolic 100 year reign in heaven when he was resurrected and that reign ends when Jesus returns. How does my Daughter get saved?

• Is there any reason to think that his daughter would be saved any different than a PRETERIST's daughter?

PRE-TRIBULATION, PREMILENIALISM: So I believe [hypothetically] Jesus will snatch the church away before the Anti-Christ comes to destroy the unblinded Nation of Israel, then Jesus returns and rules for 1000 years before reuniting all the saints in a new heaven and eath. How does my Daughter get saved (so she can begin memorizing all of the tables of what happens when)?

• Is there any reason to think that his daughter would be saved any different than a PRETERIST's or AMILLENIALIST's daughter?

These are three radically different Eschatological views, but all would seem to embrace the same Biblical Soteriology. They might argue over the timing of sending missionaries to Israel, but they would not disagree about HOW GOD SAVES because of a personal "best guess" about the End of the World.

 

[Carbon]

I do believe, for example, Dispensationalism has its own hermeneutic. This could present some issues on whether God had one plan of salvation, or two. Dipsy's believe God has two, one for the Jews and one for the Church.

From this alone, it can have, I believe, an impact on a lot of biblical interpretations.

 

[atpollard]

I do believe, for example, Dispensationalism has its own hermeneutic. This could present some issues on whether God had one plan of salvation, or two. Dipsy's believe God has two, one for the Jews and one for the Church.

From this alone, it can have, I believe, an impact on a lot of biblical interpretations.

The BIBLE has multiple hermeneutics. Personally, I like “LITERAL” whenever possible. I prefer to think that God says what He means and means what He says. So I view Lazarus and the Rich man as a story about real people in a real place (because Jesus didn’t need to make up stuff about the afterlife when He knew the truth). However, that hermeneutic is a lot less successful when Jesus has a sword sticking out of His mouth in Revelation. So like Ecclesiastics warns us … “There is a time and place for everything”.

R.C. Sproul once joked at the beginning of a conference that “If you believe that things changed when Adam fell, then we are all a little bit ‘Dispensationalist’.”

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

I do believe, for example, Dispensationalism has its own hermeneutic. This could present some issues on whether God had one plan of salvation, or two. Dipsy's believe God has two, one for the Jews and one for the Church.

From this alone, it can have, I believe, an impact on a lot of biblical interpretations.

This is incorrect. May I suggest some light reading?

Dispensationalism: Essential Beliefs and Common Myths: Vlach, Michael J: 9780979853920: Amazon.com: Books

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[Eleanor]

More specifically, can our prophetic interpretation influence or condition our understanding of salvation by faith?

Don’t each eschatological system have their own form of hermeneutical methods? I believe they do and effect how we understand scripture in general.

Can our view affect the way we view and understand God’s wrath on Christ at the cross?

It can have an effect on your Christology.

 

[Leonard03782]

I do believe, for example, Dispensationalism has its own hermeneutic. This could present some issues on whether God had one plan of salvation, or two. Dipsy's believe God has two, one for the Jews and one for the Church.

From this alone, it can have, I believe, an impact on a lot of biblical interpretations.

This is a wrong perspective on dispensationalism based on what I believe and have been taught since I have become a Christian.

JOHN 14:6 holds for Jew and Gentile equally.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

MATT 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

If you know anything about the ministry of Jesus Christ, you know that His ministry and that of the apostles was centered on the Jews alone. This will be fulfilled at the second coming. Actually, it will initiate the second coming of Christ.

The difference between us is that many of the Jews will have to endure the tribulation as Noah endured the flood. The gentiles on the other hand, will be removed from the path of judgement altogether as Lot was removed or rescued from judgement on Sodom and Gomorrah.

 

[Carbon]

This is a wrong perspective on dispensationalism based on what I believe and have been taught since I have become a Christian.

JOHN 14:6 holds for Jew and Gentile equally.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

MATT 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

If you know anything about the ministry of Jesus Christ, you know that His ministry and that of the apostles was centered on the Jews alone. This will be fulfilled at the second coming. Actually, it will initiate the second coming of Christ.

Both Jews and Gentiles I believe.

The difference between us is that many of the Jews will have to endure the tribulation as Noah endured the flood. The gentiles on the other hand, will be removed from the path of judgement altogether as Lot was removed or rescued from judgement on Sodom and Gomorrah.

I take it you're a dispensationalist?
If so, I disagree with you. But I am far from an expert on the subject and I appreciate the info you presented.

 

[Leonard03782]

Both Jews and Gentiles I believe.

I take it you're a dispensationalist?
If so, I disagree with you. But I am far from an expert on the subject and I appreciate the info you presented.

That's fine. You are allowed to be wrong from time to time.

 

[Carbon]

That's fine. You are allowed to be wrong from time to time.

Thankfully. Because I'm wrong a lot. Phew...

 

[Leonard03782]

Thankfully. Because I'm wrong a lot. Phew...

I know the feeling all too well.

 

[Marilyn C]

More specifically, can our prophetic interpretation influence or condition our understanding of salvation by faith?

Don’t each eschatological system have their own form of hermeneutical methods? I believe they do and effect how we understand scripture in general.

Can our view affect the way we view and understand God’s wrath on Christ at the cross?

I believe people`s eschatological beliefs affect why they think Jesus died.

1. If they think that Jesus just died (& rose etc) to make all things as they were in the garden, then they have a simplified understanding of Christ`s purposes.

2. If they think that Jesus died (& rose etc) to empower the church to take dominion over the earth, then they have over stepped the purposes of Christ.

3. If they think that Jesus died (& rose etc) just to save me, they are in danger of seeing everything in God`s word as just about `me.`

4. If they think that Jesus died (& rose etc) to bring about all His purposes, then they would have a fuller understanding in Christ, His character and His purposes.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

More specifically, can our prophetic interpretation influence or condition our understanding of salvation by faith?

Don’t each eschatological system have their own form of hermeneutical methods? I believe they do and effect how we understand scripture in general.

Can our view affect the way we view and understand God’s wrath on Christ at the cross?

"Eschatology" is nothing more than a "religious term" for "Rank Speculation"

 

[ReverendRV]

"Eschatology" is nothing more than a "religious term" for "Rank Speculation"

The Dictionary differs Bob...

 

[Bob Carabbio]

The Dictionary differs Bob...

I don't get my "Theology" from a "Dictionary". Do you??

Which version of "Eschatology" do you hang your hat on????

 

[ReverendRV]

I don't get my "Theology" from a "Dictionary". Do you??

Which version of "Eschatology" do you hang your hat on????

Oh Bob...

 

[EarlyActs]

More specifically, can our prophetic interpretation influence or condition our understanding of salvation by faith?

Don’t each eschatological system have their own form of hermeneutical methods? I believe they do and effect how we understand scripture in general.

Can our view affect the way we view and understand God’s wrath on Christ at the cross?

I just heard a sermon on this. Actually it was on the rapture, but I was minded of a related issue: that sermons that push you to 'be ready for the rapture' are appealing to your sense of comfort more than the issues of Romans 1-3.

As you may know Rom 1-3 constructs itself like a court case and everyone in humanity is classed as guilty. It looks grim, and hopeless. But then an extraordinary thing happens: the Judge steps down. He himself has decided to take the place of hopeless humanity, and take the punishment, and pay for them, and extend his perfect righteousness for them to clear the debt.

That is the Gospel. To escape a particular wrath period (if that's what the Rev means) is not the Gospel. Several of the verses in the Thess letters say that we are saved from God's wrath, period. Not through the rapture, but through Christ. They believed it was very close at that time, because no one knew how much of a delay the Father would add.

Let's make sure the love goes to Him.

 

[Carbon]

More specifically, can our prophetic interpretation influence or condition our understanding of salvation by faith?

Don’t each eschatological system have their own form of hermeneutical methods? I believe they do and effect how we understand scripture in general.

Can our view affect the way we view and understand God’s wrath on Christ at the cross?

I believe the answer is yes to all three.