Do you understand?-The Lords supper?

[Arch Stanton]

I know 100% my teachers are correct on the matter.

Have your 'teachers' been sent? Did they have hands laid on them through succession?

 

[Keiw1]

Greetings again Keiw1,

This is a typical JW perspective and you seem to echo it on a number of subjects. If a JW comes to the door and you do not 100$ accept the JW propaganda, then the JWs will leave and not return.

1 Corinthians 11:27–29 (KJV): 27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. 29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body.
All the OT and NT faithful will become kings and priests during the 1000 years. The exact role of each individual is not disclosed.

Kind regards
Trevor

The ones who will be on thrones are numbered-144,000

 

[Keiw1]

Have your 'teachers' been sent? Did they have hands laid on them through succession?

Jesus appointed them-Matt 24:45--The holy spirit bears witness to their spirit that they are members of the little flock.

 

[Arch Stanton]

Jesus appointed them-Matt 24:45--The holy spirit bears witness to their spirit that they are members of the little flock.

So no to the laying on of hands through the Church founded by Christ?

 

[Keiw1]

So no to the laying on of hands through the Church founded by Christ?

The religion in Jesus' day was called-The way. Catholicism is far removed from that religion.

 

[Arch Stanton]

The religion in Jesus' day was called-The way. Catholicism is far removed from that religion.

The Way, Nazarenes, Catholics, Christians.... the same

Your leaders did not have hands laid on them through succession. They were not sent.

 

[Mr GLee]

So no to the laying on of hands through the Church founded by Christ?

laying on of hands is a ceremonial law or shadow .A form of prayer. No power is attributed to the user

 

[Keiw1]

The Way, Nazarenes, Catholics, Christians.... the same

Your leaders did not have hands laid on them through succession. They were not sent.

Catholicism refuses to listen to Jesus, thus do not obey him=Not his friend, do not remain in Jesus' Love. John 15:10-14--no trinity religion has Jesus.

 

[Mr GLee]

The Way, Nazarenes, Catholics, Christians.... the same

Those of a hierarchy of worship-able venerable men as law of the fathers that lord it over the faith of non venerable who murdered the Christians, tortured both men and women in chapter 22 of Acts.

Paul who was born again by hearing the faithful understanding of Gods word Became a member of the Nazarene sect.

They tried to judge born again Paul according to thier law as a oral tradition of dying mankind to make all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura) into a heresy so they could keep thier own commandments of men heresy. Puffing up one sect against the other

Paul made it clear they worshiped a legion of gods in the likeness of men (Patron saints as fathers ) He worshiped the one Holy Father of the earthly fathers.

Two kinds of fathers used One that worships the one unseen Holy Father by faith or the power of God . the other that looks to the dying temporal flesh . . . no faith or power


Acts 24: 5-14 For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes:Who also hath gone about to profane the temple: whom we took, and would have judged according to our law. But the chief captain Lysias came upon us, and with great violence took him away out of our hands, Commanding his accusers to come unto thee: by examining of whom thyself mayest take knowledge of all these things, whereof we accuse him. And the Jews also assented, saying that these things were so. Then Paul, after that the governor had beckoned unto him to speak, answered, Forasmuch as I know that thou hast been of many years a judge unto this nation, I do the more cheerfully answer for myself: Because that thou mayest understand, that there are yet but twelve days since I went up to Jerusalem for to worship. And they neither found me in the temple disputing with any man, neither raising up the people, neither in the synagogues, nor in the city:Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:. . . . . . . (sola scriptura)

One manner by which we can pray with assurance Our one Holy Father in heaven the invisible head we venerate your Holy power . Not a legion of gods in the likeness of dying mankind . We can with confidence "his working in us" look up to where our help and power come from.

 

[Arch Stanton]

laying on of hands is a ceremonial law or shadow .A form of prayer. No power is attributed to the user

Acts 6:5-6 The proposal was acceptable to the whole community, so they chose Stephen, a man filled with faith and the holy Spirit, also Philip, Prochorus, Nicanor, Timon, Parmenas, and Nicholas of Antioch, a convert to Judaism. They presented these men to the apostles who prayed and LAID HANDS ON THEM.

Acts 13:1-3 Now there were in the church at Antioch prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Symeon who was called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen who was a close friend of Herod the tetrarch, and Saul. While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” Then, completing their fasting and prayer, they LAID HANDS ON THEM and sent them off.

1 Tim 5:22 Do not LAY HANDS too readily on anyone, and do not share in another’s sins. Keep yourself pure.

1 Tim 4:14 Do not neglect the gift you have, which was CONFERRED on you through the prophetic word with the IMPOSITION OF HANDS of the PRESBYTERATE.

2 Tim 1:6 For this reason, I remind you to stir into flame the gift of God that you have THROUGH THE IMPOSITION OF MY HANDS.

Ti 1:5 For this reason I left you in Crete so that you might set right what remains to be done and APPOINT PRESBYTERS in every town, as I directed you,

 

[Arch Stanton]

Those of a hierarchy

The Hierarchy of Christ's One True Church....

 

[Arch Stanton]

Catholicism refuses to listen to Jesus

They are the only Church established by Christ. They have the power to bind/loose on Christ's Church.

 

[Mr GLee]

The Hierarchy of Christ's One True Church....

There is no defense against the living abiding word of God. . sola scriptura.

Why keep trying ?

What the goal a queen mother ?

Are you still trying to make God out to be a dying man like Peter as King of kings. a succession of dying mankind . Peter was rebuked for that lie

Christ in John 21 rebuked Peter for going to town and starting another lie as a oral traditons of men. Christ infallibly informs us if every time he rebuked a lying traditons of dying mankind and wrote it down we would need a binger planet to hold the volumes that could be wrote .

You would think Peter our brother in the lord would of learned the first time when he rebuked our Father the invisible head in Mathew 16

The church as a hierarchy of dying mankind is the "abomination of desolation" . Christ remains our invisible head .

Catholics have simply given that power of Christ's faith over to a legion of earthly fathers. Called patron saints gods (3500 official and rising )

When the first century reformation came it destroyed all the governments of men (hierarchy ).

There is nothing throughout the bible that promotes dying mankind in the unseen place of our Holy Father.

Will you obey the loving commandment below or just deny it has anything to do with those who install a queen mother in heaven The highest authority as his and hers gods .

Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

(1) Yes you will obey or (2) no you refuse to obey the loving commandment of our invisible head

 

[Arch Stanton]

There is no defense against the living abiding word of God. . sola scriptura.

not biblical

Why keep trying ?

because you aren't in full communion with Christ's Church

Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Father Abraham

 

[Keiw1]

They are the only Church established by Christ. They have the power to bind/loose on Christ's Church.

Not one who wont obey Jesus belongs to Jesus. Catholicism says no Jesus i will not listen to you
Example= Matt 23:9=DO NOT call any man on earth Father( talking about ones taking the lead in Jesus' religion, not talking about dads) for there is one Father the heavenly one.
Thus by the priests and even worse yet the pope being called holy father, he is elevating himself into Gods position. They fathered 0 spiritual teachings, God fathered all of them. So basically they are telling Jesus where to go on that matter.= pure darkness.

 

[Josheb]

On the night of the passover, Jesus implemented the Lords supper. He said --Keep on doing this in remembrance of me.= On the night of the passover only.
He as well made a special covenant for those who are to partake=Luke 22:29-30= Those who will sit on thrones( only)-Only the little flock( Luke 12:32) will sit on thrones, the great crowd( Rev 7:9) of other sheep( John 10:16) who are not of that fold will not sit on thrones. The little flock= the anointed bride of Christ=144,000 bought from the earth( Rev 14:3) these will be kings and priests on thrones beside Jesus( Rev 1:6,, Rev 20:6)
Paul warned that some are not worthy=the great crowd. 1Cor 11:27-29)--verse 28 approve oneself( being of the little flock) after scrutiny. Thus-All others partaking are committing serious sin, only the false religions lead by blind guides tell ALL to partake. Those reside in darkness and are misleading ones to not enter Gods kingdom. Luke 22"29-30 is clear-who will you believe?

Minor point of amendment: Jesus ate his Passover meal a day early. The Lord's supper was first practiced the day before Passover began. He was hanging on the cross as as the Passover Sabbath began.

John 18:28
Then they led Jesus from Caiaphas into the Praetorium, and it was early; and they themselves did not enter into the Praetorium so that they would not be defiled but might eat the Passover.

John 19:31-33
Then the Jews, because it was the day of preparation, so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. So, the soldiers came, and broke the legs of the first man and of the other who was crucified with Him; but coming to Jesus, when they saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs.

Jesus had died by sundown on the day of preparation. His dead body was removed from the cross because the Jewish leaders did not want corpses hanging in public during the Passover and it would provide time for the corpse to be placed in a tomb.

 

[Josheb]

On the night of the passover, Jesus implemented the Lords supper.

That has been addressed in Post 36.

He said --Keep on doing this in remembrance of me.= On the night of the passover only.
He as well made a special covenant for those who are to partake=Luke 22:29-30= Those who will sit on thrones( only)-Only the little flock( Luke 12:32) will sit on thrones, the great crowd( Rev 7:9) of other sheep( John 10:16) who are not of that fold will not sit on thrones. The little flock= the anointed bride of Christ=144,000 bought from the earth( Rev 14:3) these will be kings and priests on thrones beside Jesus( Rev 1:6,, Rev 20:6)
Paul warned that some are not worthy=the great crowd. 1Cor 11:27-29)--verse 28 approve oneself( being of the little flock) after scrutiny. Thus-All others partaking are committing serious sin, only the false religions lead by blind guides tell ALL to partake. Those reside in darkness and are misleading ones to not enter Gods kingdom. Luke 22"29-30 is clear-who will you believe?

That is a lot of playing fast and loose with scripture.

• Jesus did not eat his Passover meal on Passover.
• He did not actually state what became known as the Lord's Supper had to be eaten on Passover, or that it could be done only on the night of the Passover. Jesus did not practice that standard, so it's hard to see how he could be requiring others do differently than him.
• Luke 22:29-30 was said only to the apostles, not all disciples of Jesus. That text specifies the number twelve, not two billion (or more).
• John 10:16's "sheep not of this pen" is most likely a reference to future Gentile converts.
  There is nothing specific (or explicit) in Revelation that connects the 144k with kings and priests on thrones on earth. Both the wedding feast and the bridal introduction occur in heaven, not on earth (Rev. 19:1-10, 21:1-9, ).
• According to 1 Peter 2:9 "those who believe" are already royal priests.
• The rest of the op has nothing to do with the Lord's Supper.

Jesus ate his last meal the day before the Passover Sabbath. During that meal Jesus said to have that meal, or at least break bread and drink the wine in remembrance of him and the new covenant he was giving them. By eating it we participate in the body and blood of Christ (1 Cor. 10:16-18). The 1 Cor, 10 text is a curious passage because it states we participate in the body and blood, but Israel participates in the altar. Paul also reported we are to examine ourselves prior to partaking, and we are to proclaim Christ's death.

At its most basic level the Lord's Supper is a meal, a meal in which fellowship with God, self, and others is enjoined. Relevant to the Old Testament Passover, we proclaim the death of Christ, whose blood provides us shelter from death once and for all. What was foreshadowed in Exodus is fulfilled and finished in the gospels. For the enslaved Jews it was a somber memorial of God's liberation of the Jews from Egypt. For those freed from death by the body and blood of Christ it is a remembrance proclaiming his death.

 

[Arch Stanton]

Not one who wont obey Jesus belongs to Jesus. Catholicism says no Jesus i will not listen to you
Example= Matt 23:9=DO NOT call any man on earth Father( talking about ones taking the lead in Jesus' religion, not talking about dads) for there is one Father the heavenly one.
Thus by the priests and even worse yet the pope being called holy father, he is elevating himself into Gods position. They fathered 0 spiritual teachings, God fathered all of them. So basically they are telling Jesus where to go on that matter.= pure darkness.

1Thess 2:11 As you know, we treated each one of you as a father treats his children,

1 Cor 4:15 Even if you should have countless guides to Christ, yet you do not have many fathers, for I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.

1 Jn 2:13-14 I am writing to you, fathers, because you know him who is from the beginning.

I am writing to you, young men, because you have conquered the evil one.

I write to you, children, because you know the Father.

I write to you, fathers, because you know him who is from the beginning.

I write to you, young men, because you are strong and the word of God remains in you, and you have conquered the evil one.​

Job 29:16 I was a father to the poor; the complaint of the stranger I pursued

Gen 45:8 So it was not really you but God who had me come here; and he has made me a father to Pharaoh, lord of all his household, and ruler over the whole land of Egypt.

2 Kg 2:12 and Elisha saw it happen. He cried out, “My father! my father! Israel’s chariot and steeds!” Then he saw him no longer.

2 Kg 6:21 When the king of Israel saw them, he asked, “Shall I kill them, my father? Shall I kill them?”

Rom 9:10 And not only that, but also when Rebecca had conceived children by one husband, our father Isaac

Acts 7:2 And he replied, “My brothers and fathers, listen. The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham while he was in Mesopotamia, before he had settled in Haran

Acts 7:2-53 (Saint Stephen says father 17 times)

 

[Keiw1]

Minor point of amendment: Jesus ate his Passover meal a day early. The Lord's supper was first practiced the day before Passover began. He was hanging on the cross as as the Passover Sabbath began.

John 18:28
Then they led Jesus from Caiaphas into the Praetorium, and it was early; and they themselves did not enter into the Praetorium so that they would not be defiled but might eat the Passover.

John 19:31-33
Then the Jews, because it was the day of preparation, so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. So, the soldiers came, and broke the legs of the first man and of the other who was crucified with Him; but coming to Jesus, when they saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs.

Jesus had died by sundown on the day of preparation. His dead body was removed from the cross because the Jewish leaders did not want corpses hanging in public during the Passover and it would provide time for the corpse to be placed in a tomb.

Nisan 14th.

 

[Keiw1]

That has been addressed in Post 36.

That is a lot of playing fast and loose with scripture.

• Jesus did not eat his Passover meal on Passover.
• He did not actually state what became known as the Lord's Supper had to be eaten on Passover, or that it could be done only on the night of the Passover. Jesus did not practice that standard, so it's hard to see how he could be requiring others do differently than him.
• Luke 22:29-30 was said only to the apostles, not all disciples of Jesus. That text specifies the number twelve, not two billion (or more).
• John 10:16's "sheep not of this pen" is most likely a reference to future Gentile converts.
  There is nothing specific (or explicit) in Revelation that connects the 144k with kings and priests on thrones on earth. Both the wedding feast and the bridal introduction occur in heaven, not on earth (Rev. 19:1-10, 21:1-9, ).
• According to 1 Peter 2:9 "those who believe" are already royal priests.
• The rest of the op has nothing to do with the Lord's Supper.

Jesus ate his last meal the day before the Passover Sabbath. During that meal Jesus said to have that meal, or at least break bread and drink the wine in remembrance of him and the new covenant he was giving them. By eating it we participate in the body and blood of Christ (1 Cor. 10:16-18). The 1 Cor, 10 text is a curious passage because it states we participate in the body and blood, but Israel participates in the altar. Paul also reported we are to examine ourselves prior to partaking, and we are to proclaim Christ's death.

At its most basic level the Lord's Supper is a meal, a meal in which fellowship with God, self, and others is enjoined. Relevant to the Old Testament Passover, we proclaim the death of Christ, whose blood provides us shelter from death once and for all. What was foreshadowed in Exodus is fulfilled and finished in the gospels. For the enslaved Jews it was a somber memorial of God's liberation of the Jews from Egypt. For those freed from death by the body and blood of Christ it is a remembrance proclaiming his death.

Yes my error-Nisan 14th is the night.