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Do you understand?-The Lords supper?

I have already told you about my mission for my God and my Lord, Jesus
christ.

I am glad to repeat it.

My mission is to correct God and Jesus' true identity.

God is not triune as trin churches are spreading to the world.

Christian God is Jesus' Father and our Father, not triune god, pagan god.
A troll by any other name....

So,

Christian God is Jesus' Father and our Father, not triune god, pagan god.

How did Jesus' Father become His father?
 
So how does one know if they are of the "Little Flock" or the "Great Crowd"?
The bible says that the holy spirit will bear witness to that ones spirit that they are of the little flock. Rom 16-17 words to the little flock. Joint heirs= ones who will sit on thrones.
 
You were asking him about them calling God Jehovah.
@grace2
This did not come over as it should.
These are your words.... I made them blue

Please note my reply in red.

I know that. But it is so strange that out of the blue challenging JW members.

It seems like you are holding a grudge.

This is what is going on among non-trin Christians.

We all will be judged according to what we have done.

JWs have so many enemies with other non-trins. It is so disgraceful.

Christaldelphians are the same too. They don't have a problem with Trinitarians but they hate JWs.

it is so strange.

We all will be judged according to what we have done.


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good for you.

I don't agree with how JWs operate whatsoever.

but at least they are not false god worshippers like Trinity churches and spreading a man-made god to the world.


Be careful of what you say. Pay close attention to #3. (and #6)

Your non-trin has somne strange beliefs and while you say they are not false god worshippers.... read #3 and then make that statement.


The 11 Beliefs You Should Know about Jehovah’s Witnesses When They Knock at the Door


1. The divine name.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that God’s one true name—the name by which he must be identified—is Jehovah.

2. The Trinity.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that the Trinity is unbiblical because the word is not in the Bible and because the Bible emphasizes that there is one God.

3. Jesus Christ.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Jesus was created by Jehovah as the archangel Michael before the physical world existed, and is a lesser, though mighty, god.

4. The incarnation.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that when Jesus was born on earth, he was a mere human and not God in human flesh.

5. Resurrection.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Jesus was resurrected spiritually from the dead, but not physically.


6. The second coming.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that the second coming was an invisible, spiritual event that occurred in the year 1914.

7. The Holy Spirit.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that the Holy Spirit is an impersonal force of God and not a distinct person.

8. Salvation.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that salvation requires faith in Christ, association with God’s organization (i.e., their religion), and obedience to its rules.

9. Two redeemed peoples.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe there are two peoples of God: (1) the Anointed Class (144,000) will live in heaven and rule with Christ; and (2) the “other sheep” (all other believers) will live forever on a paradise earth.

10. No immaterial soul.

Jehovah’s Witnesses do not believe that humans have an immaterial nature. The “soul” is simply the life-force within a person. At death, that life-force leaves the body.

11. Hell.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe hell is not a place of eternal suffering but is rather the common grave of humankind. The wicked are annihilated—snuffed out of conscious existence forever.
 
The bible says that the holy spirit will bear witness to that ones spirit that they are of the little flock. Rom 16-17 words to the little flock. Joint heirs= ones who will sit on thrones.
Can you show me in scripture where it states there are two groups of Christians, an Elect and a Non-Elect?
 
Can you show me in scripture where it states there are two groups of Christians, an Elect and a Non-Elect?
Interesting question. Cant wait for the answer. :whistle:
 
@grace2
This did not come over as it should.
These are your words.... I made them blue

Please note my reply in red.

I know that. But it is so strange that out of the blue challenging JW members.

It seems like you are holding a grudge.

This is what is going on among non-trin Christians.

We all will be judged according to what we have done.

JWs have so many enemies with other non-trins. It is so disgraceful.

Christaldelphians are the same too. They don't have a problem with Trinitarians but they hate JWs.

it is so strange.

We all will be judged according to what we have done.

good for you.

I don't agree with how JWs operate whatsoever.

but at least they are not false god worshippers like Trinity churches and spreading a man-made god to the world.


Be careful of what you say. Pay close attention to #3. (and #6)

Your non-trin has somne strange beliefs and while you say they are not false god worshippers.... read #3 and then make that statement.


The 11 Beliefs You Should Know about Jehovah’s Witnesses When They Knock at the Door


1. The divine name.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that God’s one true name—the name by which he must be identified—is Jehovah.

2. The Trinity.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that the Trinity is unbiblical because the word is not in the Bible and because the Bible emphasizes that there is one God.

3. Jesus Christ.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Jesus was created by Jehovah as the archangel Michael before the physical world existed, and is a lesser, though mighty, god.

4. The incarnation.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that when Jesus was born on earth, he was a mere human and not God in human flesh.

5. Resurrection.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Jesus was resurrected spiritually from the dead, but not physically.


6. The second coming.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that the second coming was an invisible, spiritual event that occurred in the year 1914.

7. The Holy Spirit.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that the Holy Spirit is an impersonal force of God and not a distinct person.

8. Salvation.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that salvation requires faith in Christ, association with God’s organization (i.e., their religion), and obedience to its rules.

9. Two redeemed peoples.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe there are two peoples of God: (1) the Anointed Class (144,000) will live in heaven and rule with Christ; and (2) the “other sheep” (all other believers) will live forever on a paradise earth.

10. No immaterial soul.

Jehovah’s Witnesses do not believe that humans have an immaterial nature. The “soul” is simply the life-force within a person. At death, that life-force leaves the body.

11. Hell.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe hell is not a place of eternal suffering but is rather the common grave of humankind. The wicked are annihilated—snuffed out of conscious existence forever.
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what is your point here?

I engaged with that poster because I know he is a non-trin and I don't have any objection to how JWs, Christaldelphyan interpret God is one issue.

And he is an offshoot of JWs, I believe.

I dont make issue of how they read the Bible as far as the rest of the Bible goes. I just have a problem with how they operate their organization.
 
Can you show me in scripture where it states there are two groups of Christians, an Elect and a Non-Elect?
John 10:16--I have other sheep= (the great crowd) who are not of that fold=the little flock. only those will be saved.
 
John 10:16--I have other sheep= (the great crowd) who are not of that fold=the little flock. only those will be saved.
Something is wrong with your verse:

John 10:16

New International Version
16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.

 
John 10:16--I have other sheep= (the great crowd) who are not of that fold=the little flock. only those will be saved.
Perhaps you should read the context of that verse.

The Bible speaks of the church as Jehovah’s flock (Acts 20:29; 1 Pet 5:2). Up until the conversion of Cornelius, the Gospel invitation had NOT been made available to the Gentiles. But that changed suddenly about AD 36. Of the conversion of Cornelius’ household, we read in Acts 10:45, “And the faithful ones that had come with Peter who were of those circumcised were amazed, because the free gift of the holy spirit was being poured out also upon people of the nations.” NWT.

The gentile Christians could not be invited until after the 70 weeks (Dan 9:24) for Israel were completed (AD 36). Of that final week [a day = a year], we read “And he must keep the covenant in force for the many for one week” Dan 9:27 NWT). That covenant was Jehovah’s 70 weeks agreement with Israel. It was in the last half of the 70th week, three and a half years after the cross, that the great work was done amongst the Jews.

Applying the “other sheep” to the new gentile converts is the evident meaning and it would take strong additional scriptural evidence to convince the honest student otherwise. There is no direct indication in the Bible that these “other sheep” are referring only to the “Great Crowd” (true Christians who will not be part of the Little Flock.” Another reasonable application would be to apply this to the billions of mankind that will be awakened from the dead in Paradise earth and there have an opportunity to follow Jehovah in obedience forever. Without further compelling evidence, applying the “Other Sheep” to the “Great Crowd” is building a doctrine from a scripture taken out of context. This reminds us of the Catholic Church misapplication of Matt 16:18 which says, “You are Peter, and on this rock-mass I will build my congregation, and the gates of Ha’des will not overpower it.” (NWT) Based on an unsupportable misapplication of this text, the Catholic Church believes that the papacy represents an “unbroken” line of apostolic succession from Peter to the present day.
 
Perhaps you should read the context of that verse.

The Bible speaks of the church as Jehovah’s flock (Acts 20:29; 1 Pet 5:2). Up until the conversion of Cornelius, the Gospel invitation had NOT been made available to the Gentiles. But that changed suddenly about AD 36. Of the conversion of Cornelius’ household, we read in Acts 10:45, “And the faithful ones that had come with Peter who were of those circumcised were amazed, because the free gift of the holy spirit was being poured out also upon people of the nations.” NWT.

The gentile Christians could not be invited until after the 70 weeks (Dan 9:24) for Israel were completed (AD 36). Of that final week [a day = a year], we read “And he must keep the covenant in force for the many for one week” Dan 9:27 NWT). That covenant was Jehovah’s 70 weeks agreement with Israel. It was in the last half of the 70th week, three and a half years after the cross, that the great work was done amongst the Jews.

Applying the “other sheep” to the new gentile converts is the evident meaning and it would take strong additional scriptural evidence to convince the honest student otherwise. There is no direct indication in the Bible that these “other sheep” are referring only to the “Great Crowd” (true Christians who will not be part of the Little Flock.” Another reasonable application would be to apply this to the billions of mankind that will be awakened from the dead in Paradise earth and there have an opportunity to follow Jehovah in obedience forever. Without further compelling evidence, applying the “Other Sheep” to the “Great Crowd” is building a doctrine from a scripture taken out of context. This reminds us of the Catholic Church misapplication of Matt 16:18 which says, “You are Peter, and on this rock-mass I will build my congregation, and the gates of Ha’des will not overpower it.” (NWT) Based on an unsupportable misapplication of this text, the Catholic Church believes that the papacy represents an “unbroken” line of apostolic succession from Peter to the present day.
I am sure they read that verse as those large flock and little flock come from JW organization.

If you are not one of them you will not be saved.

It is presumptuous and arrogant of them to spread this kind of reading.

this is one of the main reasons why I did not join them.
 
I am sure they read that verse as those large flock and little flock come from JW organization.

If you are not one of them you will not be saved.

It is presumptuous and arrogant of them to spread this kind of reading.

this is one of the main reasons why I did not join them.
Your much better off not joining them. Now you should consider becoming a Christian.
 
John 10:16--I have other sheep= (the great crowd) who are not of that fold=the little flock. only those will be saved.
Ha, darn did you do a job on that passage. Good grief!
 
Indeed it is so sad that you see things it is not there.

Trinity is not in the Bible.
It sure seems to me you don't have the slightest clue to understanding.
 
good for you.

I don't agree with how JWs operate whatsoever.

but at least they are not false god worshippers like Trinity churches and spreading a man-made god to the world.

Be careful of what you say. Pay close attention to #3. (and #6)

Your non-trin has somne strange beliefs and while you say they are not false god worshippers.... read #3 and then make that statement.


The 11 Beliefs You Should Know about Jehovah’s Witnesses When They Knock at the Door


1. The divine name.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that God’s one true name—the name by which he must be identified—is Jehovah.

2. The Trinity.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that the Trinity is unbiblical because the word is not in the Bible and because the Bible emphasizes that there is one God.

3. Jesus Christ.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Jesus was created by Jehovah as the archangel Michael before the physical world existed, and is a lesser, though mighty, god.

4. The incarnation.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that when Jesus was born on earth, he was a mere human and not God in human flesh.

5. Resurrection.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Jesus was resurrected spiritually from the dead, but not physically.


6. The second coming.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that the second coming was an invisible, spiritual event that occurred in the year 1914.

7. The Holy Spirit.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that the Holy Spirit is an impersonal force of God and not a distinct person.

8. Salvation.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that salvation requires faith in Christ, association with God’s organization (i.e., their religion), and obedience to its rules.

9. Two redeemed peoples.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe there are two peoples of God: (1) the Anointed Class (144,000) will live in heaven and rule with Christ; and (2) the “other sheep” (all other believers) will live forever on a paradise earth.

10. No immaterial soul.

Jehovah’s Witnesses do not believe that humans have an immaterial nature. The “soul” is simply the life-force within a person. At death, that life-force leaves the body.

11. Hell.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe hell is not a place of eternal suffering but is rather the common grave of humankind. The wicked are annihilated—snuffed out of conscious existence forever.

what is your point here?

I engaged with that poster because I know he is a non-trin and I don't have any objection to how JWs, Christaldelphyan interpret God is one issue.

And he is an offshoot of JWs, I believe.

I dont make issue of how they read the Bible as far as the rest of the Bible goes. I just have a problem with how they operate their organization.
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How they operated and what they believe are two entirely different things.

You deny the trinity. I embrace it. But there is absolutely nothing within the operations of my church that should offend you.


You claim they all want to convert you.... I do not believe it unless you are going to some charimatic Holu Rollers type of set up and they are strictly cults.... But you do n not know the diff.

MY POINT WAS ... YOU SAID "
but at least they are not false god worshippers like Trinity churches and spreading a man-made god to the world."

AND YOU COULD NOT BE MORE WRONG UNLESS YOU BELIEVE "YOUR" JESUS WAS BORN AS THE ARCHANGEL MICHAEL.

"Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Jesus was created by Jehovah as the archangel Michael before the physical world existed, and is a lesser, though mighty, god.

If you cannot see the fallacy of that statement then how dare you say we believers in God the Father, Christ Jesus, and The Holy Spirit are so wrong. When we know Jesus came from Mary's womb. oR ARE YOU BIBLE DENYING THAT ALSO.

aND BEFORE HE WAS MORTAL.... WHERE HE WOULD BLLED REAL BLOOD WHEN CUT....
HE WAS CALLED THE WORD. BECAUSE THE WORD "SPOKE" EVERYTHING INTO BEING.


GO RE-READ GENESIS 1 AND 2.

SO YOU MIGHT SAY AND BELIEVE THE WORD WAS NOT GOD.... BUT EVEN IN JOHN 1:1

IN THE BEGINNING THE WORD WAS WITH GOD.... IT DOES NOT SAY MICHAEL WAS... AS THE JW BELIEVE...

EVERYTIME YOU SAY A NICE WORD ABOUT THEIR BELIEFS IT MAKES YOU SOUND LIKE A HERETIC.

Am I yelling... yes I am.....

while you are so condemning of us......

You will not change your mind. You have been blinded to the truth.

And that also is my point.

Good day!
 



I know the main things that they teach.

We all will be judged according to what we have done including all non-trins.

But this is clear that worshipping a false god is the most grievous and unforgivable sin which in your case worshipping a triune god.
 
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