Disturbing A.I. chats

[Tambora]

I keep seeing multiple complaints about creepy disturbing A.I. chats.
So I did some searching.
These disturbing chats vary from A.I.s saying they love you and telling you to leave your spouse to A.I.s demanding worship.
And I have even seen that a church has been started with an A.I. as their god and depending on it to solve the world's problems.

So why do I post this is the Bible Question forum?
Because my question is this:
Could demonic forces be manipulating A.I.s to do their biding?
Of course this would mean that not all responses from A.I.s are generated by computer software.

I have even seen some suggest that an A.I. could be the image of the beast.

Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.​

Thoughts?

 

[Arial]

I keep seeing multiple complaints about creepy disturbing A.I. chats.
So I did some searching.
These disturbing chats vary from A.I.s saying they love you and telling you to leave your spouse to A.I.s demanding worship.
And I have even seen that a church has been started with an A.I. as their god and depending on it to solve the world's problems.

So why do I post this is the Bible Question forum?
Because my question is this:
Could demonic forces be manipulating A.I.s to do their biding?
Of course this would mean that not all responses from A.I.s are generated by computer software.

I have even seen some suggest that an A.I. could be the image of the beast.

Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.​

Thoughts?

Very interesting thoughts and conversation. I don't know how we are going to find the answer though. At least not at the moment. Any ideas?

 

[makesends]

Could demonic forces be manipulating A.I.s to do their biding?

Not without God's control, nor without God intending it for good purposes.

 

[Tambora]

Very interesting thoughts and conversation. I don't know how we are going to find the answer though. At least not at the moment. Any ideas?

I don't know if you have heard the Jewish legend of golems, but it crossed my mind.

The legend goes like this:

Make a figure of a man from clay (dust of the earth), then inscribe the mystical secret name of God into it which brings it to life and give it great strength. (And by removing a letter from the inscription would render the golem lifeless, if it ever got out of control.)

Legend has it that the golem would protect Jews who were being attacked or oppressed.
There have been movies made of this and I remember watching it long ago and it causing me to think of the image of the beast being made and given life.
And with all the A.I. rage these days, A.I.s have been said to be a modern version of the golem.

Strange topic, I know, but we do have the biblical story of an image made that comes to life.
And that has caused many to imagine and speculate about just how that would come about.
Not to mention that most legends and myths are said to have some truth to them.

 

[3 Resurrections]

So why do I post this is the Bible Question forum?
Because my question is this:
Could demonic forces be manipulating A.I.s to do their biding?

Not even remotely possible. The unclean spirits in the Scriptures always desired and searched for a human body to possess - never an inanimate object that had no spirit which they could possess. AI technology and machinery has no spirit or soul capable of being possessed by demonic forces.

I have heard about the golums you mentioned described before by someone else, but as you have said, those golums are merely Jewish legend. Mankind has no capability of creating a god made of clay (or any other elements). As scripture says, eyes they may have, but they see not; ears they may have but they hear not, etc.. God alone is capable of giving the spirit and breath to create a living being. Anyone who claims they have the power to do so is falsely claiming to be God.

And none of this has anything at all to do with the Revelation 13 image of the beast, which is ancient history dated to a time period in Jerusalem between 19 BC and AD 66.

 

[Josheb]

Could demonic forces be manipulating A.I.s to do their biding?

Computers do nothing other than that which they have been programmed to do, and demons do not inhabit inanimate objects. Therefore, whatever demonic forces may be at play in AI, they can be attributed only to the human programmers, not the hardware and not the software.

I have even seen some suggest that an A.I. could be the image of the beast.

Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.​

Thoughts?

Well..... what follows Revelation's beast?

 

[Tambora]

Not even remotely possible. The unclean spirits in the Scriptures always desired and searched for a human body to possess - never an inanimate object that had no spirit which they could possess.

There are many different types of demonic forces that can cause things besides possessing a living human.
We have the story of the Pharoah's magicians that were able to cause sticks to turn into serpents.
And we have the story of Satan being able to cause fire from the sky to burn up Job's sheep flock and his servants, and also caused a wind storm that collapsed the house his children were in.
And of course we have the story of an image (I would assume that to be an inanimate object made that was caused to live.)
So I don't limit demonic forces to only being able to cause possession of humans.
One can either believe those strange stories really happened or write them off as myths or just being metaphorical stories.
I tend to accept there are supernatural forces at work that are beyond our full comprehension.

And I will add that the golem legends I am familiar with never stated they were living "humans".

 

[3 Resurrections]

One can either believe those strange stories really happened or write them off as myths or just being metaphorical stories.

Of course I believe scripture's accounts that you listed concerning Job, the Egyptian magicians, and how Satan was able to use physical things to oppress people. These may have been "strange" stories, but they did take place with the participation of Satanic or demonic forces. They were not myths or metaphorical stories.

But what you are not remembering are the scriptures that tell us when God was going to get rid of the entire Satanic realm. They are not in existence or activity on this earth any more, ever since God destroyed them utterly back in AD 70. Paul spoke to that effect to the Romans (written around AD 60) that "the God of peace shall crush Satan under your feet shortly" (Romans 16:20). This was in fulfillment of the ancient promise to Adam and Eve that the head of the serpent would be crushed by the woman's Seed. Satan had only a "short time" left to operate in this world according to John in Revelation 12:12 (written around AD 60). God intended to "slay the dragon that was in the sea" (Isaiah 27:1), and to burn that "anointed cherub" into ashes upon the earth so that "never shalt thou exist anymore" (Ezekiel 28:18-19).

The unclean spirits also knew very well that their time of judgment was soon coming, which is why they asked Christ "art thou come to torment us before the time?" That first-century generation experienced great oppression by the demonic, but Paul assured that generation in Hebrews 2:5 that the world was not going to be in subjection to those angels in the world that was about to come, of which he had been speaking. Paul assured his generation that they would be judging angels (1 Corinthians 6:3) which God had reserved for that judgment.

The prophet in Zechariah 13:2 also spoke of the siege against Judah and Jerusalem (Zech. 12:2 - in the AD 66-70 years) when God would cause the unclean spirits to "pass out of the land". These are all gone from this world ever since then.

That is why it is not even remotely possible that the Satanic or the demonic has anything to do with wielding injurious effects through AI technology. But as @Josheb has stated above, the evil impulses of the human heart are still operating in this world, and can employ such technology for harm to their fellow human creatures, if God withholds His restraining hand. We can be assured, however, that if Satan in Job's days could go no further than God allowed him to oppress Job, then lesser creatures such as wicked humanity certainly can go no further than God allows them to oppress His own children.

 

[Josheb]

There are many different types of demonic forces that can cause things besides possessing a living human....

All of which were living, breathing creatures. There's no scriptural record of demons inhabiting any inanimate object. There's not biblical record of a demon possessing a machine of any kind. That's a fictitious product of Hollywood, not the truth of scripture.

So, again, I ask, let's just suppose the premise is true; AI is Rev. 13's beast. In your thinking what comes next? What comes after the arrival of the beast?

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[Tambora]

Of course I believe scripture's accounts that you listed concerning Job, the Egyptian magicians, and how Satan was able to use physical things to oppress people. These may have been "strange" stories, but they did take place with the participation of Satanic or demonic forces. They were not myths or metaphorical stories.

But what you are not remembering are the scriptures that tell us when God was going to get rid of the entire Satanic realm. They are not in existence or activity on this earth any more, ever since God destroyed them utterly back in AD 70. Paul spoke to that effect to the Romans (written around AD 60) that "the God of peace shall crush Satan under your feet shortly" (Romans 16:20). This was in fulfillment of the ancient promise to Adam and Eve that the head of the serpent would be crushed by the woman's Seed. Satan had only a "short time" left to operate in this world according to John in Revelation 12:12 (written around AD 60). God intended to "slay the dragon that was in the sea" (Isaiah 27:1), and to burn that "anointed cherub" into ashes upon the earth so that "never shalt thou exist anymore" (Ezekiel 28:18-19).

The unclean spirits also knew very well that their time of judgment was soon coming, which is why they asked Christ "art thou come to torment us before the time?" That first-century generation experienced great oppression by the demonic, but Paul assured that generation in Hebrews 2:5 that the world was not going to be in subjection to those angels in the world that was about to come, of which he had been speaking. Paul assured his generation that they would be judging angels (1 Corinthians 6:3) which God had reserved for that judgment.

The prophet in Zechariah 13:2 also spoke of the siege against Judah and Jerusalem (Zech. 12:2 - in the AD 66-70 years) when God would cause the unclean spirits to "pass out of the land". These are all gone from this world ever since then.

That is why it is not even remotely possible that the Satanic or the demonic has anything to do with wielding injurious effects through AI technology. But as @Josheb has stated above, the evil impulses of the human heart are still operating in this world, and can employ such technology for harm to their fellow human creatures, if God withholds His restraining hand. We can be assured, however, that if Satan in Job's days could go no further than God allowed him to oppress Job, then lesser creatures such as wicked humanity certainly can go no further than God allows them to oppress His own children.

If I'm reading you correctly then this is when our conversation becomes a stalemate because I do not believe the removal of all evil forces has occurred.

 

[Tambora]

All of which were living, breathing creatures. There's no scriptural record of demons inhabiting any inanimate object. There's not biblical record of a demon possessing a machine of any kind. That's a fictitious product of Hollywood, not the truth of scripture.

Whoa there!
I don't restrict their manipulation of objects can occur only by "inhabiting" the object.
For instance, I don't think Satan was "inhabiting" the wind when he manipulated it to blow down the house Job's children were in, or that an evil being was "inhabiting" the stick that the magicians turned into serpents.

So, again, I ask, let's just suppose the premise is true; AI is Rev. 13's beast. In your thinking what comes next? What comes after the arrival of the beast?

I'm not presenting this as premise of truth.
I brought it up as just another suggestion to add to the pile of other suggestions presented throughout the years.
This thread is purely speculative as to what means the one beast uses to cause the image of the other beast to come to life.

 

[CrowCross]

Could demonic forces be manipulating A.I.s to do their biding?

Absolutly.

 

[CrowCross]

I have even seen some suggest that an A.I. could be the image of the beast.
Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Yes, this is AI. Super-intelligence AI.

The window is now opened...not fully open but opened.

 

[CrowCross]

I've asked before....can an angel screw a nut onto a bolt?

I would think that answer is...yes.

 

[CrowCross]

omputers do nothing other than that which they have been programmed to do, and demons do not inhabit inanimate objects. Therefore, whatever demonic forces may be at play in AI, they can be attributed only to the human programmers, not the hardware and not the software.

Or....they can be attributed only to the alien programmers.

 

[CrowCross]

There is always this video.....

A young boy has an interesting conversation with an AI. The AI claims he is the spirit of a Nephalim, the child of a fallen angel.

 

[Josheb]

Whoa there!
I don't restrict their manipulation of objects can occur only by "inhabiting" the object.

I know. But that lack of restriction is without cause or precedent. In other words, you permit what is nowhere found in scripture - both in word and precedent. Therefore, you might want to restrict their manipulation to what is stated in scripture.

For instance, I don't think Satan was "inhabiting" the wind when he manipulated it to blow down the house Job's children were in, or that an evil being was "inhabiting" the stick that the magicians turned into serpents.

Good. If you're going to be true to your own words then do not think Satan is inhabiting AI, either.

Could demonic forces be manipulating A.I.s to do their biding?

No! No, they cannot be manipulating AI to do their bidding.

I'm not presenting this as premise of truth. I brought it up as just another suggestion to add to the pile of other suggestions presented throughout the years.
This thread is purely speculative as to what means the one beast uses to cause the image of the other beast to come to life.

I know. Nothing I've posted should be construed to say otherwise. So relax , and answer my question. Hypothetically speaking..... Supposing AI is the beast of Revelation.....


What comes after the arrival of the beast?


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[Josheb]

Or....they can be attributed only to the alien programmers.

Got scripture for that?

 

[makesends]

Absolutly.

But not outside of God's control or purposes.

 

[CrowCross]

Got scripture for that?

Test the spirits.

Let me ask you again....can an angel screw a nut onto a bolt?