Daniel 9

[Eleanor]

No matter what you say nor others, you will never do away with Israel's calling.

Don't need to, it's being fulfilled in a remnant (Ro 11:1-5).

And according to apostolic teaching authoritative to the church, Israel's destiny is to be grafted back into the one olive tree of God's people, the church, of both OT and NT saints, IF they do not persist in unbelief.

Israel has no other destiny than the NT church, according to apostolic teaching authoritative to the church.
Your interpretation of prophetic riddles not spoken clearly (Nu 12:8), and subject to more than one interpretation, is not in agreement with apostolic teaching authoritative to the church, whereas my interpretation is in agreement with them.

 

[Rev. Man Ron]

What makes you think we want to?

I don't know, do you think the Church has taken Israel's place? If not then my doesn't apply to you, anyone who thinks that the Church did take Israel's are DEAD WRONG. The rest is mere chaff, nothing but God's word survives the thrashing floor.

 

[Carbon]

I don't know, do you think the Church has taken Israel's place?

Of course not. The church is (spiritual) Israel.

If not then my doesn't apply to you, anyone who thinks that the Church did take Israel's are DEAD WRONG. The rest is mere chaff, nothing but God's word survives the thrashing floor.

 

[Rev. Man Ron]

Don't need to, it's being fulfilled in a remnant (Ro 11:1-5).

And according to apostolic teaching authoritative to the church, Israel's destiny is to be grafted back into the one olive tree of God's people, the church, of both OT and NT saints, IF they do not persist in unbelief.

Israel has no other destiny than the NT church, according to apostolic teaching authoritative to the church.
Your interpretation of prophetic riddles not spoken clearly (Nu 12:8), and subject to more than one interpretation, is not in agreement with apostolic teaching authoritative to the church, whereas my interpretation is.

Not so at all, scriptures are VERY CLEAR of specific promises unto Abraham and Israel you want the Church to supersede those promises, its not going to happen. Israel are grafted back into the family but will remain blinded IN PART (as a Nation) until the Gentiles time (CALLING) has come full. So, did the first 69 weeks have anything to do with the Church? What makes you think the 70th week will? Israel are only grafted back into faith, they do not become Gentiles, their CALLINGS do not change, they birthed the Messiah, no Gentile could do that, they will usher in the Kingdom Age, no Gentile can do that. We were given ONE JOB as the Church, take the Gospel unto the whole world, that finishes our calling, we then go to Heaven to Marry the Lamb, where we stay in the Fathers mansion for 7 Years, just like a Jewish brides stays in the marriage chambers for 7 days. We then return with Jesus for the Marriage Supper, which is Armageddon.

All you have to do is read to see Israel has a different calling, just like you and me have different callings. All one has to do is read Rev. 20:4 it clearly shows that ONLY the Martyrs of the 70th week even stay on earth and rule with Jesus. We the church do not, unless they miss the rapture and the Beast kills you. They will however have Glorious bodies, the Kingdom Age is a Jewish Kingdom under Jesus' rule.

 

[Rev. Man Ron]

Of course not. The church is (spiritual) Israel.

Well then you think it has, the Church is not Spiritual Israel. The Church isn't even mentioned in the same manner, watch this my brother, in Rev. 17 allow me to show you the different terminology God used when He wrote the book of Revelation. People who do not stop to think, think the Rev. 12 Remnant has to be Jewish, but that is what trained minds do, I follow the leads where they go. Allow me to show you a verse that not only PROVES a Pre Trib Rapture but that shows Israel's calling isn't the sane as the Churches.

Thoughts for fodder

1.) So, why does God need to protect the End Time Jews

2.) How can the Jews mentioned in Rev. 12 be a Remnant (THEY CAN'T)

3.) If the Church is in Heaven (we are) then would the Church on earth who repent after the Rapture be a Remnant?

Lets us look in depth and these few verses, I can prove The Remnant is The Remnant Church, not Jews. We all know "The Woman" of Rev. 12 is Israel, see Gen. 37:9 that is the CODE that proves this. SO.........

Rev. 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth(Middle of the week), he persecuted the woman(Israel) which brought forth the man child(Jesus it really says Male Child).

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle(God is referred unto as an Eagle i many places), that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, (1260 days) from the face of the serpent(Satan). 15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman(Army), that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood(Just like THE EARTH helped Israel as they fled Egypt, the Fire pilar, the Red Sea etc.) which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman(He gets angry because he can not get at her), and went to make war with the remnant(Church of Jesus' SEED) of her seed(Jesus is THAT SEED see Gal. 3:16), which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

So, Jesus is Israel's SEED Paul says so in Galatians, he is her ONE SEED not of many but of ONE SEED. Thus the Remnant of Jesus is the Church, who come unto Christ after the Rapture. The rest of us are in Heaven wit the Master. This CAN NOT be any Jews, the 1/3 who repent can not be harmed by Satan, so he TURNS and goes after the Remnant, so the Remnant can not be her, BUT it also can not be the 2/3 who refuse to repent, because they do not have the testimony of Jesus, thus the 2/3 will indeed be wicked men. .

 

[Eleanor]

Not so at all, scriptures are VERY CLEAR of specific promises unto Abraham and Israel

All stated covenants and promises to Israel have been fulfilled.

you want the Church to supersede those promises, its not going to happen. Israel are grafted back into the family but will remain blinded IN PART

The NT "family" is the body of Christ, in which there are none whom do not believe in and trust on that Christ for salvation from God's wrath (Ro 5:9) on their sin.

(as a Nation) until the Gentiles time (CALLING) has come full. So, did the first 69 weeks have anything to do with the Church? What makes you think the 70th week will? Israel are only grafted back into faith, they do not become Gentiles, their CALLINGS do not change, they birthed the Messiah, no Gentile could do that, they will usher in the Kingdom Age, no Gentile can do that. We were given ONE JOB as the Church, take the Gospel unto the whole world, that finishes our calling, we then go to Heaven to Marry the Lamb, where we stay in the Fathers mansion for 7 Years, just like a Jewish brides stays in the marriage chambers for 7 days. We then return with Jesus for the Marriage Supper, which is Armageddon.
All you have to do is read to see Israel has a different calling,

The only thing authoritative to the people of God in the NT is apostolic teaching, which is not in agreement with your private interpretation of prophetic riddles not spoken clearly (Nu 12:8) and subject to more than one interpretation.
And that teaching authoritative to the church is that Israel's "calling" and destiny is to be grafted back into the one olive tree of God's people, the NT church of both OT and NT saints (Heb 11:40), IF they do not persist in unbelief (Ro 11:23).
Israel has no other destiny than the one of apostolic teaching authoritative to the church.

like you and me have different callings. All one has to do is read Rev. 20:4 it clearly shows that ONLY the Martyrs of the 70th week even stay on earth and rule with Jesus. We the church do not, unless they miss the rapture and the Beast kills you. They will however have Glorious bodies, the Kingdom Age is a Jewish Kingdom under Jesus' rule.

Your interpretation of prophetic riddles not spoken clearly (Nu 12:8) is in disagreement with apostolic teaching authoritative to his NT church, which is
God's new creation, exceeding his original creation (2 Co 5:17, Gal 6:15), and as such is
the last times and the end of the ages (1 pe 1:20, Heb 1:2, 9:6) and
the fulfillment of the ages (1 Co 10:11).

No personal interpretation of prophetic riddles not spoken clearly (Nu 12:8) trumps God's apostolic teaching authoritative to his NT church, the one olive tree of the one people of God going all the way back to Abraham (Ro 11:1-23).

 

[EarlyActs]

I don't know, do you think the Church has taken Israel's place? If not then my doesn't apply to you, anyone who thinks that the Church did take Israel's are DEAD WRONG. The rest is mere chaff, nothing but God's word survives the thrashing floor.

The RT accusation is totally backwards Bc of Gal 3:17.

 

[EarlyActs]

Well then you think it has, the Church is not Spiritual Israel. The Church isn't even mentioned in the same manner, watch this my brother, in Rev. 17 allow me to show you the different terminology God used when He wrote the book of Revelation. People who do not stop to think, think the Rev. 12 Remnant has to be Jewish, but that is what trained minds do, I follow the leads where they go. Allow me to show you a verse that not only PROVES a Pre Trib Rapture but that shows Israel's calling isn't the sane as the Churches.

Thoughts for fodder

1.) So, why does God need to protect the End Time Jews

2.) How can the Jews mentioned in Rev. 12 be a Remnant (THEY CAN'T)

3.) If the Church is in Heaven (we are) then would the Church on earth who repent after the Rapture be a Remnant?

Lets us look in depth and these few verses, I can prove The Remnant is The Remnant Church, not Jews. We all know "The Woman" of Rev. 12 is Israel, see Gen. 37:9 that is the CODE that proves this. SO.........

Rev. 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth(Middle of the week), he persecuted the woman(Israel) which brought forth the man child(Jesus it really says Male Child).

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle(God is referred unto as an Eagle i many places), that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, (1260 days) from the face of the serpent(Satan). 15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman(Army), that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood(Just like THE EARTH helped Israel as they fled Egypt, the Fire pilar, the Red Sea etc.) which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman(He gets angry because he can not get at her), and went to make war with the remnant(Church of Jesus' SEED) of her seed(Jesus is THAT SEED see Gal. 3:16), which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

So, Jesus is Israel's SEED Paul says so in Galatians, he is her ONE SEED not of many but of ONE SEED. Thus the Remnant of Jesus is the Church, who come unto Christ after the Rapture. The rest of us are in Heaven wit the Master. This CAN NOT be any Jews, the 1/3 who repent can not be harmed by Satan, so he TURNS and goes after the Remnant, so the Remnant can not be her, BUT it also can not be the 2/3 who refuse to repent, because they do not have the testimony of Jesus, thus the 2/3 will indeed be wicked men. .

Sorry but you can’t see it. To isolate one item like your view of the fig tree and hang it all there, is ridiculous. You miss so much.

 

[EarlyActs]

Not so at all, scriptures are VERY CLEAR of specific promises unto Abraham and Israel you want the Church to supersede those promises, its not going to happen. Israel are grafted back into the family but will remain blinded IN PART (as a Nation) until the Gentiles time (CALLING) has come full. So, did the first 69 weeks have anything to do with the Church? What makes you think the 70th week will? Israel are only grafted back into faith, they do not become Gentiles, their CALLINGS do not change, they birthed the Messiah, no Gentile could do that, they will usher in the Kingdom Age, no Gentile can do that. We were given ONE JOB as the Church, take the Gospel unto the whole world, that finishes our calling, we then go to Heaven to Marry the Lamb, where we stay in the Fathers mansion for 7 Years, just like a Jewish brides stays in the marriage chambers for 7 days. We then return with Jesus for the Marriage Supper, which is Armageddon.

All you have to do is read to see Israel has a different calling, just like you and me have different callings. All one has to do is read Rev. 20:4 it clearly shows that ONLY the Martyrs of the 70th week even stay on earth and rule with Jesus. We the church do not, unless they miss the rapture and the Beast kills you. They will however have Glorious bodies, the Kingdom Age is a Jewish Kingdom under Jesus' rule.

The apostles show no concern about promises about the land, not in any ordinary descriptions of the final judgement.

 

[EarlyActs]

Daniel 9:27
And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”


Question. Who is the he?

That’s Christ. That’s why the desolator is identified separately in the last line. He is first mentioned leading a rebellion in 8:13.

 

[Carbon]

That’s Christ. That’s why the desolator is identified separately in the last line. He is first mentioned leading a rebellion in 8:13.

I agree the he is Christ.

 

[Rev. Man Ron]

The last line of Rom 11 is not that though. ‘Irrevocable’ is why some Jews are believers, cp v14z. But the last word is that all binding to sin and all mercy is now in the Gospel event and he says now 3x.

The olive tree analogy made it clear that faith in Christ is the membership card. Not a race-nation.

No, Israel is blinded IN PART means s a Nation, how so? Well they ceased being a Nation for nigh 2000 years so they could not repent as a Nation, thus they were blind as a Nation, not as individuals. This should not be that hard to take in tbh. Yes, Israel, as I state over and over if you bothered to read or contemplate deeply, can only come back unto the Father by FAITH ALONE..........FAITH ALONE.............FAITH ALONE, big bolded words may suffice. Israel will repent as a Nation at the 1335, Flee Judea at the 1290 AoD sign, then be protected by God for 1260 days. Jesus will not just show up and save them, the Jews have to come unto God by FAITH ALONE, and Zech. 13:8-9 shows us the do indeed repent, just before, the DOTL.

From the quotes of Genesis by the NT after taught by Christ, the calling is clearly to be missionaries of the Gospel to the ends of the earth. Acts 13:47–which is specifically about answering this question. It is a quote from Isaiah so that his synagogue audience understood exactly.

All of you guys who have replaced Israel with the Church will soon find out you really did not understand much about Prophecy. This isn't even debatable tbh. I have been called to prophecy almost 40 years, I have seen it all, but the biggest NO NOs I come across is people not called unto Prophesy trying in it, who have zero understanding but still wish to try and teach it to the masses. It becomes rater tiresome tbh. Really there is no excuse not to know these basic things. It is what it is I guess.

 

[Rev. Man Ron]

The RT accusation is totally backwards Bc of Gal 3:17.

Explain what RT is, I do not see anything in my reply that means RT.

Sorry but you can’t see it. To isolate one item like your view of the fig tree and hang it all there, is ridiculous. You miss so much.

I am correct, you seeing it or not changes nothing, but I think you d see it, but you can not come out and say it or it proves all your thinking has been in error. A 5th grader could see that Jesus was juxtaposing ALL THOSE SIGNS via the Generation. Its just sad we have people in the church and young kids being taught wrongly on these very important things.

That’s Christ. That’s why the desolator is identified separately in the last line. He is first mentioned leading a rebellion in 8:13.

Wow, you really not to let Prophesy alone my fried, it is not your bag.

You guys are so lost on Prophesy its amusing to watch, the HE is Jesus...........Good grief man. Come on, do you just repeat others? Because I rejected this stuff 35-4O years ago ? Because this has bee around a while, it is not your ideas, its ideas they got and passed on.

God Bless, not feeling to well, gotta get some rest. Study hard man, dont repeat others ideas. That is how Satan lays raps.

 

[EarlyActs]

No, Israel is blinded IN PART means s a Nation, how so? Well they ceased being a Nation for nigh 2000 years so they could not repent as a Nation, thus they were blind as a Nation, not as individuals. This should not be that hard to take in tbh. Yes, Israel, as I state over and over if you bothered to read or contemplate deeply, can only come back unto the Father by FAITH ALONE..........FAITH ALONE.............FAITH ALONE, big bolded words may suffice. Israel will repent as a Nation at the 1335, Flee Judea at the 1290 AoD sign, then be protected by God for 1260 days. Jesus will not just show up and save them, the Jews have to come unto God by FAITH ALONE, and Zech. 13:8-9 shows us the do indeed repent, just before, the DOTL.


All of you guys who have replaced Israel with the Church will soon find out you really did not understand much about Prophecy. This isn't even debatable tbh. I have been called to prophecy almost 40 years, I have seen it all, but the biggest NO NOs I come across is people not called unto Prophesy trying in it, who have zero understanding but still wish to try and teach it to the masses. It becomes rater tiresome tbh. Really there is no excuse not to know these basic things. It is what it is I guess.

And there you have it , no one can question you.

There is no such thing as called to prophesy, Acts 1:8-9

 

[EarlyActs]

Explain what RT is, I do not see anything in my reply that means RT.


I am correct, you seeing it or not changes nothing, but I think you d see it, but you can not come out and say it or it proves all your thinking has been in error. A 5th grader could see that Jesus was juxtaposing ALL THOSE SIGNS via the Generation. Its just sad we have people in the church and young kids being taught wrongly on these very important things.


Wow, you really not to let Prophesy alone my fried, it is not your bag.

You guys are so lost on Prophesy its amusing to watch, the HE is Jesus...........Good grief man. Come on, do you just repeat others? Because I rejected this stuff 35-4O years ago ? Because this has bee around a while, it is not your ideas, its ideas they got and passed on.

God Bless, not feeling to well, gotta get some rest. Study hard man, dont repeat others ideas. That is how Satan lays raps.

In the 1990s , the expression replacement theology RT was invented to vilify anyone who did not accept the 2 peoples-programs of Dispensationslisn.

The problem of 1990s RT is that it utterly avoided what Gal 3:17 says, or Heb 9, or even the end of Rom 9 about Israel establishing its own righteousness.

 

[Eleanor]

I don't know, do you think the Church has taken Israel's place? If not then my doesn't apply to you, anyone who thinks that the Church did take Israel's are DEAD WRONG. The rest is mere chaff, nothing but God's word survives the thrashing floor.

The church does not take Israel's place, for Israel has always been the church, the one olive tree of God's people, going all the way back to Abraham (Ro 11:16-23), from which tree unbelieving Israel has been cut off and the Gentiles grafted in and, according to apostolic teaching authoritative to the church (as distinct from personal interpretation of prophetic riddles not spoken clearly, Nu 12:8), Israel's destiny is to be grafted back into the one olive tree of God's people, the church (Ro 11:23).

Israel does not have some separate destiny from the church, arrived at by personal interpretation of prophetic riddles in contradiction to apostolic teaching authoritative to the people of God.

 

[Rev. Man Ron]

And there you have it , no one can question you.

There is no such thing as called to prophesy, Acts 1:8-9

Apologize for the spelling, I was half asleep nodding in and out. I am usually not great, but that was chicken scratch level.

I have seen beginners who know the bible better, come on man, do you even read the bible There is no excuse for not knowing Prophesy is one of the 12 gifts. Study to show yourself approved !!

1 Cor. 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

So, there is no such thing as a calling unto Prophecy hey? This is why you always get defeated in every reply, you are not using the word as the foundation in full on your opinions. How can any Christian say no one is called unto prophecy? What are you even talking about? This is why you can't question me on anything, you are not using sound talking points. So, when someone says something like this above, do you think I am going to take them serious on things like Daniel 9 when they can't even get the simple stuff right?

In the 1990s , the expression replacement theology RT was invented to vilify anyone who did not accept the 2 peoples-programs of Dispensationslisn.

The problem of 1990s RT is that it utterly avoided what Gal 3:17 says, or Heb 9, or even the end of Rom 9 about Israel establishing its own righteousness.

Gal. 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

You do not understand the contextual reasonings behind the chapter, your types (RT...if that is what you want to call it) look at this chapter and say Israel and the Church are ALL ONE, this proves it, but it proves just the opposite, meaning you do not understand how to decipher the scriptures my friend.

I will give you ONE JUXTAPOSTION, that destroys what you think Gal. 3 means in full, then I will explain it in brief.

Gal. 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

This one verse destroys the whole Israel & the Church are one thesis, and you guys can't even see it. Ask yourself one question, are there still Males & Females? BOOM........This proves you are missing what Paul is talking about altogether !! Therefore the whole notion of "there is neither Greek (Gentile) nor Jew" doesn't mean Paul is saying they are one, just like he is not saying there is now only ONE GENDER !! It is obvious then that Paul is speaking about something else, and that something is not a CALLING...............because woman are CALLED unto child birth and men are of course not, so what ever this is Paul is speaking about being one and the same is not about anyone's CALLINGS being shifted. I really can't believe people can not see this, Paul juxtaposes the Gentile and Jew being one in Christ Jesus as well as Males and Females being one, and you can't figure out this ONENESS isn't about a calling.

So, what is it Paul is speaking about? HOW WE COME UNTO Christ Jesus, not our specific CALLINGS !! I might have a Prophecy, Wisdom, and Knowledge ministry while me brother might have a Healing ministry, etc. etc. But we all have to come unto Christ by FAITH ALONE, that is Paul's whole point here, but WHY? Its becomes obvious when one reads the chapter in full without tunnel vision.

Paul is scolding the Galatians for trying to be "Jew Like" in order to make it into the pearly gates of heaven, no doubt some "Jewish Christians" had come in trying to say, "well we been doing this stuff with God for years (Satan never misses a trick) and you guys are not going to make it to heaven unless you also incorporate the Jewish traditions and keep the Laws of Moses" so the Galatians started keeping the Laws of Moses, keeping the Sabbath, sacrificing animals and Paul is like YOU FOOLS, why starting out in the spirit have you now turned unto the flesh? Meaning why have you started out by FAITH and now turned unto THE LAW !!

Then Paul goes into a rant unto them about why the Law avails nothing, and how it was only given 430 years after the Promise, and how once the Promise (Jesus) comes the Law is no longer needed. So this whole chapter is Paul SHOUTING at the Galatians to STOP trying to be "Jewish" in order to make it to Heaven, which is what they had done which is why Paul called them foolish !!

So, understanding all that above, why do you and other not understand that Paul is not trying to say the Jews and Greeks/Gentiles are all ONE, but instead is saying the Jews and Greeks are all ONE in how they have to come unto Christ by FAITH ALONE (it has zero to do with any CALLINGS) just like Males & Females both have to come unto Christ Jesus by FAITH ALONE also, even though they are NOT ONE GENDER !! Females are still CALLED unto birthing children, males are not, likewise the Gentiles are called unto taking the Gospel unto the whole world, Israel as a Nation WAS NOT else they would not have been Dead Men's Bones for nigh 2000 years. So what is Israel's CALLING? Well to birth the Messiah (CHECK) and to usher in the Kingdom Age with Jesus. Rev. 20:4 PROVES the church do not remain on earth during the Kingdom Age, only the Martyrs of the 70th week do so. Jesus rules from Jerusalem for 1000 years, that is THEIR CALLING and it has nothing to do with how the Jews come unto Christ, because we know they repent during the 70th week, but they do so after the Pre Trib Rapture at a different time, but the Jews have to come unto Jesus just like we do, but FAITH ALONE.

So everything you think you understand about Gal. ch. 3, you really just don't get what Paul is saying. But instead of reading and learning, you will shake your head, give it a half glance and continue in your wrong think on this.

These things ae much deeper than laymen understand, but if one refuses to heed the advice of pole with 40 years of knowledge, well that is on them, its like a young 18 year old trying to teach a pro football coach how to run the team, or even a guy like Nick Saban being taught by a young freshmen, if they guy will not listen or take teaching he probably will only retard his own development.

So, you willing to admit you were in error on Prophecy not being a callig?

 

[Eleanor]

Apologize for the spelling, I was half asleep nodding in and out. I am usually not great, but that was chicken scratch level.

I have seen beginners who know the bible better, come on man, do you even read the bible There is no excuse for not knowing Prophesy is one of the 12 gifts. Study to show yourself approved !!

1 Cor. 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

So, there is no such thing as a calling unto Prophecy hey? This is why you always get defeated in every reply, you are not using the word as the foundation in full on your opinions. How can any Christian say no one is called unto prophecy? What are you even talking about? This is why you can't question me on anything, you are not using sound talking points. So, when someone says something like this above, do you think I am going to take them serious on things like Daniel 9 when they can't even get the simple stuff right?


Gal. 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

You do not understand the contextual reasonings behind the chapter, your types (RT...if that is what you want to call it) look at this chapter and say Israel and the Church are ALL ONE, this proves it, but it proves just the opposite, meaning you do not understand how to decipher the scriptures my friend.

I will give you ONE JUXTAPOSTION, that destroys what you think Gal. 3 means in full, then I will explain it in brief.

Gal. 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

This one verse destroys the whole Israel & the Church are one thesis, and you guys can't even see it. Ask yourself one question, are there still Males & Females? BOOM........This proves you are missing what Paul is talking about altogether !! Therefore the whole notion of "there is neither Greek (Gentile) nor Jew" doesn't mean Paul is saying they are one, just like he is not saying there is now only ONE GENDER !! It is obvious then that Paul is speaking about something else, and that something is not a CALLING...............because woman are CALLED unto child birth and men are of course not, so what ever this is Paul is speaking about being one and the same is not about anyone's CALLINGS being shifted. I really can't believe people can not see this, Paul juxtaposes the Gentile and Jew being one in Christ Jesus as well as Males and Females being one, and you can't figure out this ONENESS isn't about a calling.

So, what is it Paul is speaking about? HOW WE COME UNTO Christ Jesus, not our specific CALLINGS !! I might have a Prophecy, Wisdom, and Knowledge ministry while me brother might have a Healing ministry, etc. etc. But we all have to come unto Christ by FAITH ALONE, that is Paul's whole point here, but WHY? Its becomes obvious when one reads the chapter in full without tunnel vision.

Paul is scolding the Galatians for trying to be "Jew Like" in order to make it into the pearly gates of heaven, no doubt some "Jewish Christians" had come in trying to say, "well we been doing this stuff with God for years (Satan never misses a trick) and you guys are not going to make it to heaven unless you also incorporate the Jewish traditions and keep the Laws of Moses" so the Galatians started keeping the Laws of Moses, keeping the Sabbath, sacrificing animals and Paul is like YOU FOOLS, why starting out in the spirit have you now turned unto the flesh? Meaning why have you started out by FAITH and now turned unto THE LAW !!

Then Paul goes into a rant unto them about why the Law avails nothing, and how it was only given 430 years after the Promise, and how once the Promise (Jesus) comes the Law is no longer needed. So this whole chapter is Paul SHOUTING at the Galatians to STOP trying to be "Jewish" in order to make it to Heaven, which is what they had done which is why Paul called them foolish !!

So, understanding all that above, why do you and other not understand that Paul is not trying to say the Jews and Greeks/Gentiles are all ONE, but instead is saying the Jews and Greeks are all ONE in how they have to come unto Christ by FAITH ALONE (it has zero to do with any CALLINGS) just like Males & Females both have to come unto Christ Jesus by FAITH ALONE also, even though they are NOT ONE GENDER !! Females are still CALLED unto birthing children, males are not, likewise the Gentiles are called unto taking the Gospel unto the whole world, Israel as a Nation WAS NOT else they would not have been Dead Men's Bones for nigh 2000 years. So what is Israel's CALLING? Well to birth the Messiah (CHECK) and to usher in the Kingdom Age with Jesus. Rev. 20:4 PROVES the church do not remain on earth during the Kingdom Age, only the Martyrs of the 70th week do so. Jesus rules from Jerusalem for 1000 years, that is THEIR CALLING and it has nothing to do with how the Jews come unto Christ, because we know they repent during the 70th week, but they do so after the Pre Trib Rapture at a different time, but the Jews have to come unto Jesus just like we do, but FAITH ALONE.

So everything you think you understand about Gal. ch. 3, you really just don't get what Paul is saying. But instead of reading and learning, you will shake your head, give it a half glance and continue in your wrong think on this.

These things ae much deeper than laymen understand, but if one refuses to heed the advice of pole with 40 years of knowledge, well that is on them, its like a young 18 year old trying to teach a pro football coach how to run the team, or even a guy like Nick Saban being taught by a young freshmen, if they guy will not listen or take teaching he probably will only retard his own development.

None of which addresses your disagreement with NT apostolic teaching authoritative to the church--where your personal interpretation of prophetic riddles, not spoken clearly (Nu 12:8) and in contradiction to apostolic authority, is not authoritative--that
Israel's destiny is to be grafted back into the one olive tree of God's people, IF (not "when") they do not persist in unbelief (Ro 11:23).
There is no unconditional promise to the nation Israel of a return to God's people. All Israel is being saved in a remnant (Ro 11:1-5).

All the covenants and promises to Israel have been fulfilled, and God's one plan for all his people is, and always has been, the called-out assembly; i.e., church (Ac 7:38), the bride and body of Christ in the two-in-one enfleshment of the marital union (Eph 5:30-32, Rev 21:9-14).

That, and not personal interpretation of prophetic riddles not spoken clearly (Nu 12:8) is the apostolic teaching authoritative to the church.

 

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Explain what RT is, I do not see anything in my reply that means RT.


I am correct, you seeing it or not changes nothing, but I think you d see it, but you can not come out and say it or it proves all your thinking has been in error. A 5th grader could see that Jesus was juxtaposing ALL THOSE SIGNS via the Generation. Its just sad we have people in the church and young kids being taught wrongly on these very important things.


Wow, you really not to let Prophesy alone my fried, it is not your bag.

You guys are so lost on Prophesy its amusing to watch, the HE is Jesus...........Good grief man. Come on, do you just repeat others? Because I rejected this stuff 35-4O years ago ? Because this has bee around a while, it is not your ideas, its ideas they got and passed on.

God Bless, not feeling to well, gotta get some rest. Study hard man, dont repeat others ideas. That is how Satan lays raps.

The generation he was talking about was his, Lk 23:38. Then , God delayed the final worldwide judgement per 2Peter 3.

 

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Apologize for the spelling, I was half asleep nodding in and out. I am usually not great, but that was chicken scratch level.

I have seen beginners who know the bible better, come on man, do you even read the bible There is no excuse for not knowing Prophesy is one of the 12 gifts. Study to show yourself approved !!

1 Cor. 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

So, there is no such thing as a calling unto Prophecy hey? This is why you always get defeated in every reply, you are not using the word as the foundation in full on your opinions. How can any Christian say no one is called unto prophecy? What are you even talking about? This is why you can't question me on anything, you are not using sound talking points. So, when someone says something like this above, do you think I am going to take them serious on things like Daniel 9 when they can't even get the simple stuff right?


Gal. 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

You do not understand the contextual reasonings behind the chapter, your types (RT...if that is what you want to call it) look at this chapter and say Israel and the Church are ALL ONE, this proves it, but it proves just the opposite, meaning you do not understand how to decipher the scriptures my friend.

I will give you ONE JUXTAPOSTION, that destroys what you think Gal. 3 means in full, then I will explain it in brief.

Gal. 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

This one verse destroys the whole Israel & the Church are one thesis, and you guys can't even see it. Ask yourself one question, are there still Males & Females? BOOM........This proves you are missing what Paul is talking about altogether !! Therefore the whole notion of "there is neither Greek (Gentile) nor Jew" doesn't mean Paul is saying they are one, just like he is not saying there is now only ONE GENDER !! It is obvious then that Paul is speaking about something else, and that something is not a CALLING...............because woman are CALLED unto child birth and men are of course not, so what ever this is Paul is speaking about being one and the same is not about anyone's CALLINGS being shifted. I really can't believe people can not see this, Paul juxtaposes the Gentile and Jew being one in Christ Jesus as well as Males and Females being one, and you can't figure out this ONENESS isn't about a calling.

So, what is it Paul is speaking about? HOW WE COME UNTO Christ Jesus, not our specific CALLINGS !! I might have a Prophecy, Wisdom, and Knowledge ministry while me brother might have a Healing ministry, etc. etc. But we all have to come unto Christ by FAITH ALONE, that is Paul's whole point here, but WHY? Its becomes obvious when one reads the chapter in full without tunnel vision.

Paul is scolding the Galatians for trying to be "Jew Like" in order to make it into the pearly gates of heaven, no doubt some "Jewish Christians" had come in trying to say, "well we been doing this stuff with God for years (Satan never misses a trick) and you guys are not going to make it to heaven unless you also incorporate the Jewish traditions and keep the Laws of Moses" so the Galatians started keeping the Laws of Moses, keeping the Sabbath, sacrificing animals and Paul is like YOU FOOLS, why starting out in the spirit have you now turned unto the flesh? Meaning why have you started out by FAITH and now turned unto THE LAW !!

Then Paul goes into a rant unto them about why the Law avails nothing, and how it was only given 430 years after the Promise, and how once the Promise (Jesus) comes the Law is no longer needed. So this whole chapter is Paul SHOUTING at the Galatians to STOP trying to be "Jewish" in order to make it to Heaven, which is what they had done which is why Paul called them foolish !!

So, understanding all that above, why do you and other not understand that Paul is not trying to say the Jews and Greeks/Gentiles are all ONE, but instead is saying the Jews and Greeks are all ONE in how they have to come unto Christ by FAITH ALONE (it has zero to do with any CALLINGS) just like Males & Females both have to come unto Christ Jesus by FAITH ALONE also, even though they are NOT ONE GENDER !! Females are still CALLED unto birthing children, males are not, likewise the Gentiles are called unto taking the Gospel unto the whole world, Israel as a Nation WAS NOT else they would not have been Dead Men's Bones for nigh 2000 years. So what is Israel's CALLING? Well to birth the Messiah (CHECK) and to usher in the Kingdom Age with Jesus. Rev. 20:4 PROVES the church do not remain on earth during the Kingdom Age, only the Martyrs of the 70th week do so. Jesus rules from Jerusalem for 1000 years, that is THEIR CALLING and it has nothing to do with how the Jews come unto Christ, because we know they repent during the 70th week, but they do so after the Pre Trib Rapture at a different time, but the Jews have to come unto Jesus just like we do, but FAITH ALONE.

So everything you think you understand about Gal. ch. 3, you really just don't get what Paul is saying. But instead of reading and learning, you will shake your head, give it a half glance and continue in your wrong think on this.

These things ae much deeper than laymen understand, but if one refuses to heed the advice of pole with 40 years of knowledge, well that is on them, its like a young 18 year old trying to teach a pro football coach how to run the team, or even a guy like Nick Saban being taught by a young freshmen, if they guy will not listen or take teaching he probably will only retard his own development.

So, you willing to admit you were in error on Prophecy not being a callig?

Very simple about the one thing: Eph 3:5-6. All the technical terms about what Israel is or has are there, some repeated from 2B. These are true in the Gospel.

If you don’t know this you need to scrap everything and start over.

2-peoples-2-programs in Dispensationalism shattered the Bible.

My ed background was a D’ist Bible college then a graduate theology research program that knew D’ism was incoherent. I specialized on what Luke/Acts say in reference to the revolt, in my 2 books THE ENTHRONED KING and THE COVENANT REVOLT.