If it was only up to God then all men would be saved
Coming Against Reformed Theology
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Live & walk by the spirit!
Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Romans 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
A big “if”?
Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Matthew 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
John 12:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
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He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
Romans 5:3
And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; 4)
And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
2 Thessalonians 1:5
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
2 Tim 2:3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
Ex 20 obey the Ten Commandments
Deut. 6:4 obey the two greatest commandments
Matt 28:20 obey christ’s commandments
Acts 1:2 obey christ’s commandments
Jn 15:4 abide in Christ
Mk 13:13 endure to the end
Matt 24:14 endure to the end
1 Jn 2:24-25 abide and continue in Christ
Rom 8:17 suffer with Christ
Rom 11:22 continue or be cut off
Col 1:21-23 if you continue
Col 2-5 steadfast
2 Tim 2:11-13 suffer
Phil 1:29 suffer for Christ’s sake
Heb 3:4-6 if we hold fast
Heb 6:4-9 fall away
Heb 12:22-25 lost if we turn away
We still have free will and can choose (volition) to reject Christ and the faith and renounce our baptism
2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
Abide in faith, but not faith alone!
Jn 15:1-4
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
You can’t say the branches are not saved (process of salvation) or not born again or spirit filled cos they were in Christ and connected to the vine!
The apostolic church is the mystical body of Christ.
A limb that has a cut off from the body dies, life remains with the body!
Serious Sin causes spiritual death and requires repentance before physical death makes the separation permanent. 1 Jn 5:16
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
You can’t say the branches are not saved (process of salvation) or not born again or spirit filled cos they were in Christ and connected to the vine!
The apostolic church is the mystical body of Christ.
A limb that has a cut off from the body dies, life remains with the body!
Serious Sin causes spiritual death and requires repentance before physical death makes the separation permanent. 1 Jn 5:16
Jn 15:1-4
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
You can’t say the branches are not saved (process of salvation) or not born again or spirit filled cos they were in Christ and connected to the vine!
The apostolic church is the mystical body of Christ.
A limb that has a cut off from the body dies, life remains with the body!
Serious Sin causes spiritual death and requires repentance before physical death makes the separation permanent. 1 Jn 5:16
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Because there isn't one.
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This thread is about the ways in which an attempt is made to refute Reformation theology. Rule three. (Not every thread is about the RCC. Stick with the subject of the OP.) Walls of text are not a conversation. Reformed theology is a specific theology and doctrines that come out of that theology. It is not the Reformation. Do you know anything about Reformed theology? If so---how would you refute it? A presumption of RCC doctrine is not the way to do it. It must be refuted with the Bible itself.
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That in no way addresses my post.
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Nobody said Christ is being reformed. That is not what Reformation theology is.
"We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ, (2Cor 10:5 ESV)" Yes, that is the virtue I was exhibiting. Thanks for noticing!
Personal judgment is inevitable to some degree. After all, we all have to deal with ourselves and our biases. But the aim is obedience to Christ and His word, exemplifying Christian conduct and character.
In those areas Scripture addresses, it is the ultimate authority. Just as we are take into captivity every thought to obey Christ.
And early on, Peter was Satanic. As Jesus said...
"But he turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance to me. For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man." (Mat 16:23 ESV)
Peter also denied Jesus 3 times during Jesus' interrogation.
Peter also was rebuked by Paul for a departure so great that the gospel itself was at stake.
And this is why God's word is so important. God's word is the connection to God's authority, and through His word we have access to how one ought to live, what to believe about the gospel, and what a true Christian is. Sadly, the Catholic cult has departed from the faith for a great while, as Jesus pointed out that wide is the gate that leads to destruction. The Catholic cult has proclaimed the traditions of men rather than the truth, as you stated, "(the tradition of men) having no authority at all." It is truly sad that Satan has such a stronghold upon the cult of Catholicism. But that is where the Protestant Reformation comes in. They sought to dispel traditions in favor of the Bible. They originally sought to reform the apostate religious institution, but they eventually had to break from it since the Catholic cult employed non-biblical means of authority and abuse. Getting back to the Bible and God's authority is so important. I am thankful for my Protestant heritage.
However, as @Arial has already stated in post #60 & #89, Reformed theology and the Protestant Reformation are two different things (some overlap for sure). It would be wise of you to change your tactic of addressing the Reformation to addressing the opening post's topic, which is Reformed theology. Thanks.
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Following the Spirit of Christ that worked in them both. Gods word as prophecy a lamp unto our feet the light we follow not from the apostles sent messengers they have the same kind of feet as us shod with the gospel (sola scriptura)
Note . . . .(God living word ) the Spirit of Christ prophesizing through his prophets
Note. . .. ( dying mankind )
Mathew 10:37-38 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Not worthy of me, Not, not worthy of him
The son of man Jesus who outwardly demonstrated the worthiness of the Father in heaven giving al glory to the father Jesus a reflection of the eternal father . Just like the old man a chip off the block LOL
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No body said Christ is not the source of grace and truth. Except the Catholics think they are the source that goes to the source and dispenses it, and Jesus Himself cannot.
Therefore obedience to His church!
No Peter has the authority but Pentecost has not happened at that time
Not tradition of men but divine and apostolic tradition
Does the apostolic church require scripture to know the truth?
Scripture has only one reference to reformation and that was the time of Christ reforming the mosaic covenant into the new covenant heb 9:10
Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32
The apostolic church is commanded to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation! Matt 28:19
Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles! The apostles have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, so I send you!
Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
Jn 17:22 / rom 2:10 / 1 pet 1:7 Christ shares His glory with His saints!
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
Must hear church Matt 18:18
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles!
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1
The pillar and foundation of TRUTH!
1 Tim 3:15
The TWO EDGE SWORD!
To proclaim the truth! Matt 28:19
To condemn error! 1 cor 16:22
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The RCC is not His church. It is the apostate church. It does not matter how many scriptures you quote, always devoid of any exposition, that will not change.
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Apostolic succession is the tradition of men. The Bible does not teach apostolic succession and certainly not successive apostles who teach contrary to the Bible and even contrary to each other.
The true apostolic church, and that being the teachings we have in our scriptures, the twelve plus Paul the apostle to the Gentiles, had three sources. The scriptures, which both Jesus and the apostles quoted again and again, for redemption was promised and began in the Garden of Eden and that is what the entire OT and NT are about----that is God's storyline---; and the teaching of Jesus during the forty days after His resurrection prior to ascension, and the teaching of the Holy Spirit Himself. The book is closed, the teaching complete. And the apostles certainly never taught the traditions of men.
This thread is not about the Reformation but rather Reformation theology. Must you be told that again? It is also not in the Catholic board. But FYI neither Reformation theology or the Reformation are about the reformation that is spoken of in Heb 9. Also,Scripture has no reference to a Pope, or Peter as a Pope, so that is not a very good tact to use.
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The RCC is not His church and this thread is not about the RCC but arguments and reasoning that are used in coming against Reformed theology. If you don't get back to the topic and continue using this thread to proselytize the Catholic religion, those post that do nothing but that and fail to address the topic of the OP, will be subject to deletion. If you have some arguments and reasoning that you believe refute the doctrines of that theology, bring them on. Name the doctrine you are refuting, and give sound reasoning and scriptural evidence to support your claim.
