Can We Determine the Age of the Universe and Earth Biblically?

[Fred]

Do you really think ONE ark was large enough to house Noah's family and....

19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.

21 And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.

22 Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.

Genesis Chapter 7​

1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.

2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

Sure.
They could have all been very young and God could have caused them to sleep most of the time.

 

[makesends]

Do you really think ONE ark was large enough to house Noah's family and....

19And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female .

20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.

21 And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.

22 Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.

Genesis Chapter 7​

1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.

2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

Not that the literal 6-day'er must believe that "kind" must mean every species, but... If a donkey can be made to talk, and if a serpent can talk, and if God can bring all fact into existence with a word, how is it too hard for him to put every species onto the ark? Yes, I really believe what Genesis says is true.

BTW, I don't agree with you nor @DialecticSkeptic about the 6-day creation, but I'm not a naturalist who thinks as things are now, they have always been. God invented the laws of physics, and he can do with them as he pleases. Yet, to me, hearing what I do from modern physicists, I'm of a mind to think that BOTH can be true, that it take 6 literal days, and eons, to accomplish. Also, I don't believe that a literal rendering of Genesis 1 necessarily means that there was nothing existing but God, before that account begins.

It is one thing to hold to what makes the best logical sense to one's current view of things, but quite another to decide for oneself that it is therefore the only logical possibility. It is particularly dangerous to then teach it as God's Own Truth.

 

[Rella]

Ummmm, I am a late comer to this and have not read from the beginning, but in answer to the Title

"Can We Determine the Age of the Universe and Earth Biblically"

I say no and not because I am a science follower but because we do not know, and have no way to find out, why specifically
God created this planet we walk on.

Could it be that the earth came strictly from the "big bang" ( I am not a fan of that.)

Could it be that God actually created our Earth and solar system for a specific purpose. (I could be convinced of that )

But I also could be convinced that the actual earth and much about it came into being a long time before it was chosen
for mankind.

Now, that being said.... I think there could be a reasonable quest to know how long mankind, from Adam forward, has been on earth because there are some records that allow for some genealogy records.

What I can almost see is.... NOPE, I dare not go there cause I dont wanna be hollered at.

Just wanted my 2 cents in here

 

[EarlyActs]

Wow huh? Do you also believe like John MacArthur that God destroys the entire universe after the Millennium? What about "a day as a thousand years?" Do you really believe God created trillions of galaxies in 6 literal 24-hour days?

There is another consideration about creation, which I hold, which is to distinguish between the expression 'spreading out' or 'stretching out' and the one used about the creation week. I think the overall view of Genesis is that there were lifeless things from the 'spreading out' and randomly, while the acts of the creation week are full of life and quite deliberately placed.

Even spreading and stretching out differ slightly in usage: spreading (ie the Hebrew term) is also used of casting seed, while stretching is the same term for draping a fabric over a frame as a tent (which may have reminded them of the sky because light was coming 'through' the holes of the fabric, especially at seams).

This means there may be merit to the big bang, with answers to why any material at all was there. I recently heard a physicist say that that the interesting thing about the tiny amount of material suggested by the start of the big bang is that science 'needs' that initial miracle.

But now of course they are constructing things in other ways, like sheets of objects that collide. Very elaborate constructions, yet also evasions of the basic questions of cosmology.

 

[Musician]

Literal 6-day creationist believe that the earth is 'almost' 6,000 years old, that the dinosaurs roamed the earth while man was upon it, that the leviathan and behemoth are dinosaurs, that Noah put the dinosaurs on the ark, and that God destroys the entire universe after the earth after 7,000 years.
That is pure heresy!

Human skulls have been found that are well over 50,000 years old.

 

[Muckah]

Noah's flood was regional and not global. One ark was acceptable in size to accomplish a regional flood. A global flood would not only require over 20 arks, but the issue is how these animals would get to an ark thousands of miles away. The problem with a global flood is that miracles are scapegoated over common sense.

It's good to look at the words 'earth and world' - and especially the word ALL mostly, 'pas and holos' and how they're used.

There's evidence of civilizations that went untouched during the time period of Noah's flood.