Can We Determine the Age of the Universe and Earth Biblically?

[EarlyActs]

Piece of cake. You are making the same connective mistake as evolutionists! That sheer time means there is evolving life. What a crock!

How do you feel about doing their thinking with them?

Sheer time does not mean anything of the sort! God must speak for their to be life.

If we know nothing from local objects on this, It is that water disappears unproductively from the scene.

The Hebrew for filling the earth after various kinds of life is actually ‘swarm with swarms.’ imagine that in terms of humans; it explains where the masses came from.

 

[EarlyActs]

Can you explain how you can prevent Christian evolutionists from using the old earth and the age gap and your book for supporting their point of view when you cannot ascertain the amount of time that has elapsed before day one?

See 481

 

[EarlyActs]

Here are the chapters of BACK IN BUSINESS:

Chapters



Introduction 7



1: The Recitation Transmission of Genesis

until Joseph 15



2: The Lifeless Distant Objects 23



3: Signalers and Messengers 29



4: Pre-Creation Earth as an Incarceration Cite 41



5: What Peter Finalized 45



6: The Young, Local Creation Week View 51



Referenced and Researched 55

 

[ChristB4us]

Here are the chapters of BACK IN BUSINESS:

Chapters



Introduction 7



1: The Recitation Transmission of Genesis

until Joseph 15



2: The Lifeless Distant Objects 23



3: Signalers and Messengers 29



4: Pre-Creation Earth as an Incarceration Cite 41



5: What Peter Finalized 45



6: The Young, Local Creation Week View 51



Referenced and Researched 55

Did you forget the disclaimer for spoiler alert? Just kidding.

Getting back to the topic, I believe one can determine the age of the universe and the earth Biblically when we apply Genesis as the literal 6 day creation event with God resting on the 7th day from all His works in creation. To say otherwise would be making that 7th day a lie.

 

[EarlyActs]

See previous.

 

[ChristB4us]

See previous.

How do you apply Genesis 2:1 when that has to include all the lights in the heavens to have been created that 4th day?

Do not all the stars serves for signs now?

Genesis 1:1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

Genesis 2:1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

 

[EarlyActs]

re 2:1
as is the case all through chs 1-2, the POV of the writer is about local, moving (marking) things. 1, the static objects meant nothing; 2, there are many he could not even see.

From earth upward he saw:
immediate large objects
planets
Milky Way rotation

These three were the hashamahyim' and "in" the 'raqia' (firmament)

If you go to the end of v16, you will find a line that is almost additional, or parenthetical. The 3 verses are about local things, but 'he made the stars also' is there. I have not yet isolated the term, but it is other than the usual 'hashamahyim'. It appears to be 'halay'lah.' I will try to check the grammar because the verb 'to make' is not there, as the 3 column Hebrew Bible shows (Hebrew--transliteration (Latin letters for Hebrew sounds)--translation). This may be a further parallel to 2 P 3: the stars were 'there.' Or 'also there.'

 

[EarlyActs]

How do you apply Genesis 2:1 when that has to include all the lights in the heavens to have been created that 4th day?

Do not all the stars serves for signs now?

Genesis 1:1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

Genesis 2:1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

re the finishing
The POV rule applies. And may be supported by the stray reference to stars not being the heavens in v16. All of this was done by day 6. Notice that the verb about the locals includes 'setting' them because they affect each other so it had to be precise.

The distant world was done by day 6 but only because it was already there, and lifeless, and not part of the account. It might have been a random explosion; all we are told is they spread out, like a tent canopy. But the account is only about our local scene.

Have you ever asked: if their age is indifferent to Gen 1, why does it matter if they were there a long time?

The Webb info is that there are 'nurseries' of stars. I can see God picking one out and placing it for our system, etc. After all, after the resurrection, he commanded fish to be on one side of peter's boat and not the other. And he set the Bethlehem star.

 

[EarlyActs]

I will not be answering any more questions until you have read the little book. Send me the name of the 5th reference cited in the list in the back.

 

[Muckah]

With the genealogy in the Old Testament & the New Testament is why believers say that the earth and the universe is about 6,000 years old.

Wow huh? Do you also believe like John MacArthur that God destroys the entire universe after the Millennium? What about "a day as a thousand years?" Do you really believe God created trillions of galaxies in 6 literal 24-hour days?

 

[makesends]

Wow huh? Do you also believe like John MacArthur that God destroys the entire universe after the Millennium? What about "a day as a thousand years?" Do you really believe God created trillions of galaxies in 6 literal 24-hour days?

I believe he could, if he pleased. That would be no harder for him to do than to do it any other way, being God.

But, what do you believe?

 

[Muckah]

I believe he could, if he pleased. That would be no harder for him to do than to do it any other way, being God.

But, what do you believe?

Nobody knows for sure how long it took, but it wasn't 6 literal days! That teaching is heresy at its finest. A DAY is a time period that takes place to accomplish something. Day can mean a period of time; it can mean a year or many years like 'in that day'.

 

[makesends]

Nobody knows for sure how long it took, but it wasn't 6 literal days! That teaching is heresy at its finest. A DAY is a time period that takes place to accomplish something. Day can mean a period of time; it can mean a year or many years like 'in that day'.

Why do you call it a heresy? Have you got anything from Scripture or reason that demands that kind of antipathy?

 

[DialecticSkeptic]

Nobody knows for sure how long it took, but it wasn't six literal days!

I think you are correct.

That teaching is heresy at its finest.

I think it's bonkers, but I wouldn't call it heretical. However, like makesends here, I am interested in hearing an argument for that.

A day is a time period that takes place to accomplish something. Day can mean a period of time; it can mean a year or many years like 'in that day'.

True. However, when it is accompanied by an ordinal (e.g., first day), it usually refers to a normal solar day—especially when it's also accompanied by the phrase "evening and morning."

 

[Muckah]

Why do you call it a heresy? Have you got anything from Scripture or reason that demands that kind of antipathy?

Literal 6-day creationist believe that the earth is 'almost' 6,000 years old, that the dinosaurs roamed the earth while man was upon it, that the leviathan and behemoth are dinosaurs, that Noah put the dinosaurs on the ark, and that God destroys the entire universe after the earth after 7,000 years.
That is pure heresy!

 

[DialecticSkeptic]

That is pure heresy!

Define heresy.

 

[makesends]

Literal 6-day creationist believe that the earth is 'almost' 6,000 years old, that the dinosaurs roamed the earth while man was upon it, that the leviathan and behemoth are dinosaurs, that Noah put the dinosaurs on the ark, and that God destroys the entire universe after the earth after 7,000 years.
That is pure heresy!

Why? That was my question.

Why is that heresy? Or, if you prefer, HOW is that heresy?

BTW, Literal 6-day creationists don't all believe the same things, such as that God destroys the entire universe, or that Noah put the dinosaurs (as such) on the ark.

 

[Muckah]

Why? That was my question.

Why is that heresy? Or, if you prefer, HOW is that heresy?

BTW, Literal 6-day creationists don't all believe the same things, such as that God destroys the entire universe, or that Noah put the dinosaurs (as such) on the ark.

Where then would Noah fit in?

 

[makesends]

Where then would Noah fit in?

If you mean, how does Noah fit into an account of the flood with dinosaurs in the ark, I don't understand why you ask.

If you mean, how did Noah et al fit into the ark with such large creatures as the dinosaurs, they don't have to be every species of every land-going animal on the ark, nor do any of them have to be full-grown adults.

But my real question is, how is this heretical?

 

[Muckah]

If you mean, how does Noah fit into an account of the flood with dinosaurs in the ark, I don't understand why you ask.

If you mean, how did Noah et al fit into the ark with such large creatures as the dinosaurs, they don't have to be every species of every land-going animal on the ark, nor do any of them have to be full-grown adults.

But my real question is, how is this heretical?

Do you really think ONE ark was large enough to house Noah's family and....

19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.

21 And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.

22 Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.

Genesis Chapter 7​

1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.

2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.