Calminian? 3-pointer? 4-pointer? 4 1/2 pointer?

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

Ok, I read that page and then by doing a search I found "Chapter 3, Institutes"
This is the answer:
Fifthly, that the direction of the will to good, and its constancy after being so directed, depend entirely on the will of God, and not on any human merit. Thus the will (free will, if you choose to call it so), which is left to man, is, as he in another place (Ep. 46) describes it, a will which can neither be turned to God, nor continue in God, unless by grace; a will which, whatever its ability may be, derives all that ability from grace."

I did see where the idea of "subsequent grace" could be traced back to Pelagius. As I understand it, Pelagius believed than man, through free will cooperating with God, could be perfected which is false.

So logically, the P follows from I, irresistible grace.

Cool...hope it helped.

 

[QVQ]

Cool...hope it helped.

Yes, especially the "fear of God' as that seems to indicate that salvation could be lost. Theoretically
However, in practice, God delivers Christians from temptation and evil, just as in Psalm 23 and the Lord's Prayer

I did find a site that said Perseverance of the Saints is not "once saved, always saved."
That is what I didn't quite agree with.."once saved, always saved."
I can agree with the Calvinist view that by the Grace of God, the Christians are "led in the paths of righteousness"

 

[Carbon]

Yes, especially the "fear of God' as that seems to indicate that salvation could be lost. Theoretically
However, in practice, God delivers Christians from temptation and evil, just as in Psalm 23 and the Lord's Prayer

I did find a site that said Perseverance of the Saints is not "once saved, always saved."
That is what I didn't quite agree with.."once saved, always saved."
I can agree with the Calvinist view that by the Grace of God, the Christians are "led in the paths of righteousness"

OSAS is a different doctrine than Perseverance of the saints.

 

[QVQ]

OSAS is a different doctrine than Perseverance of the saints.

Many of the web sites attribute OSAS directly to Calvin which is not correct, according to what I read on the Institute pages I perused.
I also see statements on the forums that OSAS is Perseverance of the Saints

Actually, this is from Augustine (eighth chapter of his Treatise De Correptione et Gratia)
Although it is in the 3rd chapter of Calvin's Institutes

Thirdly, that while grace governs the will, it never falls; but when grace abandons it, it falls forthwith.
Fourthly, that by the free mercy of God, the will is turned to good, and when turned, perseveres.

These seems to be arguments about whether subsequent grace is a reward for choosing the first grace..and then thereafter, earning or growing in grace through various works...

However, as I understand it, good works and good deeds are the fruits, not the price.

 

[Manfred]

One who wants to be a Calvinist as long as…….

....depravity is not absolute/encompassing