Being a Christian In United States of America

[Josheb]

You all might find this article (and the blog in which it resides) of interest: The Ten Commandments of the Modern Secular State.

 

[David1701]

Their claim is that they are fallible as to their extra-biblical teaching. (CCC) To show it they elected to have a Pope which the bible defines as a daysman. A fleshly infallible interpreter that umpires between God not seen and mankind seen with the approval of both.

I was not calling those alive a legion of gods but those they seek after. Patron saints. It is not Biblical idea but does oppose. the gospel

They must call dying mankind call patron saints (3500 official) and are still being added to and picking up new recruits to seek after as workers with familiar spirits. It is clearly an abomination of desolation making sola scriptura (God's living word) without effect.

I was referring to their source of faith (belief) a legion of fathers called apostolical succession. There is no succession of dying mankind passed on to the next generation.

All things written in the law and its testimony the prophets are the one source of Christain faith passed from one generation to the next. Sola scriptura which the EFC's call heresy is the reforming authority in any time period.



I would agree but they do but they do throw out all things written in the law and the prophets the (water of the word) calling it heresy so that they can continue in accord with what they call sacred tradition of dying mankind.

Therefore, making a false claim listing the oral traditions apostolical succession calling the tradition of dying mankind sacred first. Saying both are of divine origin. as if we could serve two good teaching master coming from one Lord. I would have thought Sacred scripture God's living word would be the first mentioned.

The Catholic Bible. Catechism of the Catholic Church - Paragraph # 80 80 "Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely together, and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some fashion to form one thing, and move towards the same goal."

Nicole or as you mentioned as Nicolas was the place of a Pope or a daysman which God declared he hated and lovingly commanded the believers mixed with unbelievers to repent and do the first work. God empowering us to believe God not seen according to sola scriptura and not the oral tradition of Nicolas or any denomination. that looks to the temporal thing seen and not the eternal things of God not seen revealed in the book of prophecy the Bible.

I'm guessing that English is not your first language. This is a bit rambling; however, I do agree with the basics: Sola Scriptura; that there is no "apostolic succession"; and that the office of "Pope" is unscriptural.

P.S. Daysman is a very old fashioned word, which many people will not understand. A more modern word is "arbiter"; and, it's not only the office of "Pope" that claims to be so, but the whole of their magisterium.

 

[David1701]

America will be gone after the pre great tribulation rapture event when Babylon & a third of the earth gets burned up which is the western hemisphere.

The obvious elephant in the room is the absence of any reference to a great nation to the west of being one of the many armies marching against Jerusalem, let alone defending Jerusalem, because it is no longer there for the duration of the great tribulation.

1) The Western hemisphere is, by definition, half the Earth, not a third.

2) Immediately to the West of Israel is the Mediterranean Sea, with the North of Africa on its Sourthern shore and Europe on its Northern.

3) America is not mentioned in the Bible.

4) The great tribulation period began in the 1st C. A.D. ("...all these things will come on this generation...").

 

[ChristB4us]

1) The Western hemisphere is, by definition, half the Earth, not a third.

The western hemisphere reference is in respect to the one third of the earth as far as land goes, but the sea was also mentioned in addition.

Revelation 8:6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. 7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. 8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; 9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. 10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. 12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise. 13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

So imagine a fiery calamity in respect to that continental mass that is of the western hemisphere in addition to the seas.

2) Immediately to the West of Israel is the Mediterranean Sea, with the North of Africa on its Sourthern shore and Europe on its Northern.

Post # 7 of The Myth of Armageddon

@eclipseEventSigns

In light of that prophesy, USA is gone. Nowhere around. Not hard to connect the fall of Babylon with USA then.

3) America is not mentioned in the Bible.

I believe it is as a "daughter" of Babylon. "We the people......" as in let us make a name for ourselves...

Genesis 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

4) The great tribulation period began in the 1st C. A.D. ("...all these things will come on this generation...").

Post # 11 below as reposted from that thread The Myth of Armageddon.

It actually does have audio. And no, it has NOT been fulfilled in 70 AD. "All nations" did not gather at Jerusalem as is predicted multiple times through Scripture.

@David1701 Are you applying Jesus's words in Matthew 23::35-37 or in Matthew 24:

Matthew 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. 37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

OR

Matthew 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Matthew 23:35-37 can be applied to the Jews during the great tribulation whereas Matthew 24:33-35 is about His coming as the Bridegroom.

Since we cannot apply His words as a preterist's point of view on the events in Matthew 24th chapter, since He has not come back yet, His discernment is needed to apply His words for the here and now to be ready or else be left behind at the pre great tribulation rapture event.

 

[Mr GLee]

Glad to read that. I've been reflecting on the matter since the last exchange and am now more firmly decided on the matter. To my surprise I found very few mentions of repentance in the epistolary, but when considered in the light of all that the epistolary has to say about confession, forgiveness, change (repentance), and reconciliation as applied to the followers of Christ any dissent is unfounded.

1 Peter 4:17
For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?

"It is time." That's a curious statement because although I believe the Church existed in OT times, and the "house of God" goes all the way back at least to Genesis 28:17, if we consider the "household of God" to be exclusively related to Hebrews 10:21 then it did not take very long for judgment to follow the incarnation, Calvary, and Pentecost. Yikes!

Blessedly, we also have...

Romans 14:4
Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

We will stand.

I would think it is times in lieu of the promised demonstration in which Jesus said it is finished. The household or bride of Christ began with Abel the prophet, apostle and first listed martyr .

Abel by the faith of Christ as the power of God looked ahead to the suffering of the Son of man, Jesus beforehand. Yoked with Christ we by the same spirit of faith look back to the finished demonstration revealing the power of our unseen Holy Father.

 

[Arch Stanton]

My closest friend is RC. His allegiance to the RCC escapes me (not really, because I understand his reasons)

because, through the course of many personal and theological conversations over the last 35+ years, I know he knows his Bible, believes in Jesus as articulated in the Bible and actually practices those beliefs in daily life. I have every confidence in the efficacy of his conversion from death to life, the witness of his life therein, and the promises of God thereof.

I suspect God Himself may well ask him, "Why????" in the end .

I am curious.... do you think your interpretations of scripture are any more infallible than your closest friend?

Thanks!

 

[Josheb]

I am curious.... do you think your interpretations of scripture are any more infallible than your closest friend?

Thanks!

Relevance to the op?

Do you mean am I imperfect in exactly the same was as he is imperfect? No.

 

[Arch Stanton]

Relevance to the op?

responding to your post

Do you mean am I imperfect in exactly the same was as he is imperfect? No.

You both have personal, fallible, interpretations of scripture. Are you 100% sure that your interpretations are any better than your friend's?

 

[EarlyActs]

Being a Christian in the United States of America poses the question of how did Babylon USA get this bad?

According to this judgment from God, even Christians participates in this for why He is calling them out of its sins.

Revelation 18th Chapter

Revelation 18:1And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. 2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. 6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. 8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

So how did Christians get corrupted and inhabited by devils, foul spirit, and unclean and hateful birds?

By thinking they can receive the Holy Spirit by a sign of tongues or other sensational signs in the flesh for how they are committing spiritual fornication & spiritual adultery.

Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

What is the hypocrisy? Knowing this faith that Jesus Christ is in us....

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

And even though they acknowledge Him as dwelling in us, they seek to receive "Him" again, even under the guise of receiving a continual filling of the Spirit or receiving Him by the bread & wine in communion.

2 Corinthians 11:1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. 2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

So read the cautionary parable of the foolish seeking to be filled with extra oil in the market place.

Matthew 25:1-13 KJV

Do not run the risk of missing out on the Marriage Reception with the Bridegroom, even though you are still art of the Kingdom of Heaven as you will note, the foolish of the ten virgins ae the kingdom of heaven and thus still saved.

We have always been Spirit-filled since salvation as a testimony from God that we are saved.

Matthew 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

That is why all who come to Jesus Christ are promised to never hunger nor thirst again to be filled with the Holy Spirit.

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

So may God be peradventuring to recover some from this snare of the devil to return to their first love, the Lord Jesus Christ aka the Bridegroom, & seek no more to be filled, for He shall be coming soon for the abiding bride of Christ.

Even shun tongues for private use & pray normally or else continue to speak the utter depths of Satan & be left behind.

Revelation 2:18-25 KJV

Your answer about American decline is the seeking of sign gifts. Why are people doing that, do you think?

 

[EarlyActs]

What matters is the correct discernment of evil not the identity of a picture/image in the Rev. Many things about the Rev are about 1st century instances, features, realities.

An identification of modern evil is not doubly forceful bc you attach a symbol from the Rev to it.

 

[EarlyActs]

America will be gone after the pre great tribulation rapture event when Babylon & a third of the earth gets burned up which is the western hemisphere.

The obvious elephant in the room is the absence of any reference to a great nation to the west of being one of the many armies marching against Jerusalem, let alone defending Jerusalem, because it is no longer there for the duration of the great tribulation.

Forgot those scenarios; they didn’t know of the West at the time anyway. The Rev is much more historical than that, and concentrate on what you can do in person in a church, with support here.

 

[EarlyActs]

One of the leaders of the WEF (Naori?) is zealously looking forward to hacking and programming humans, and said it was the real "intelligent design" we need, not a god above, but design by the WEF. This is why they detest the US founding documents.