Argument against the Doctrine of the Trinity. (And keep it clean, please.)

[CrowCross]

Nonsense.

As per what you wrote....how is this nonsense?

 

[Paul]

As per what you wrote....how is this nonsense?

All of it.

According to John those who don't keep Christs commands don't know Him. According to you its not possible to keeps His commands as we are sinners. So I guess nobody knows Him and is saved.

Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

You think when John states those who are born again cannot continue to sin he means those who keep the Lords commands? AND those who continue to sin are the lost as shown by their fruit?

 

[CrowCross]

All of it.

According to John those who don't keep Christs commands don't know Him. According to you its not possible to keeps His commands as we are sinners. So I guess nobody knows Him and is saved.

WHICH IS YOUR THEOLOGICAL PROBLEM. Even YOU don't keep the commandments. Sure, some of them but not all of them.
According to your own theory....you won't go to heaven.

Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

You think when John states those who are born again cannot continue to sin he means those who keep the Lords commands? AND those who continue to sin are the lost as shown by their fruit?

You do know there is a difference between a sin life style...as Paul said, you were once like that....and a person who still sins but it's not their lifestyle? Someone who lead an immoral life may get saved and no longer live that life...but...from time to time may slip back into it for a moment or "season".

Your theology is false.

 

[Paul]

WHICH IS YOUR THEOLOGICAL PROBLEM. Even YOU don't keep the commandments. Sure, some of them but not all of them.
According to your own theory....you won't go to heaven.

You do know there is a difference between a sin life style...as Paul said, you were once like that....and a person who still sins but it's not their lifestyle? Someone who lead an immoral life may get saved and no longer live that life...but...from time to time may slip back into it for a moment or "season".

Your theology is false.

I keep the commandments.
Its not my theology.

You don't know me so what commandments am I violating?

I have the Spirit of Christ in me and according to these forums God chose me to be saved and that's that,

 

[CrowCross]

I keep the commandments.

LOL...Sure you do. Ever since you've became a believer...you have never sinned. Get real Paul.

Its not my theology.

You don't know me so what commandments am I violating?

PRIDE for starters.
LEGALISM.

I have the Spirit of Christ in me and according to these forums God chose me to be saved and that's that,

God chose me to be save...even though I still sin...and that's that. According to you because I still sin, I'm not saved.

 

[Paul]

LOL...Sure you do. Ever since you've became a believer...you have never sinned. Get real Paul.

Irrelevant -I keep the Lords commands. You focus on sin.

PRIDE for starters.
LEGALISM.

You sit in judgment as a judge but your are not.

God chose me to be save...even though I still sin...and that's that. According to you because I still sin, I'm not saved.

My theology is were saved by grace through faith and this not of ourselves.
I don't know you is what i see not that you won't be saved that is your words not mine.

Your the one implying we are unable to keep Gods commands.

Yet thats whats defines those who are of the faith.

Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

 

[ElectedbyHim]

All of it.

According to John those who don't keep Christs commands don't know Him. According to you its not possible to keeps His commands as we are sinners. So I guess nobody knows Him and is saved.

Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

You think when John states those who are born again cannot continue to sin he means those who keep the Lords commands? AND those who continue to sin are the lost as shown by their fruit?

You continue to defend your interpretation of the Bible, suggesting Christians cannot sin.

But you will not answer yes or no if you still commit sin.

This says volumes.

 

[CrowCross]

You continue to defend your interpretation of the Bible, suggesting Christians cannot sin.

But you will not answer yes or no if you still commit sin.

This says volumes.

mega volume.

 

[David Lamb]

Many believe in sinless perfection.

Believe Wesley started this.

I have encountered many on forums who believe they are without sin and saved.

Yes, I know that some do believe that Christians can become perfectly sinless in this life. Yet we find in the bible that people who were truly God's, like Abraham, David and Peter, did indeed sin.

 

[David Lamb]

Unless its a lie to god what command does it violate?

Where do you get the idea that lying is only a sin if you lie to God? Paul wrote to the Colossian Christians:

“Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds,” (Col 3:9 NKJV)

 

[Paul]

Where do you get the idea that lying is only a sin if you lie to God? Paul wrote to the Colossian Christians:

“Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds,” (Col 3:9 NKJV)

Fair enough but I don't go around telling lies do you?

 

[Paul]

mega volume.

I have shown Christians are defined as those who keep Gods commandments. I keep God commandments. John wrote those born of God cannot sin BECAUSE Gods seed remains in them.

 

[Paul]

mega volume.

I have shown from scripture Christians are defined as those who keep Gods commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus. I keep God commandments. John, as in scripture, wrote those born of God cannot sin BECAUSE Gods seed remains in them.

Your problem is with his words not mine.
No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.

So did you receive the gift of the Spirit? Are you still a slave to sin?

see post 416 anything beyond that I decline to go down that rabbit hole. Those who sin are slaves to sin. Have you read of the new creation? In Christ is a state of no sin.

 

[Rella]

I have shown Christians are defined as those who keep Gods commandments. I keep God commandments. John wrote those born of God cannot sin BECAUSE Gods seed remains in them.

So you keep the Sabbath? Yes or No?

 

[Paul]

So you keep the Sabbath? Yes or No?

In regard to the law as a day of rest, No, and I stated so. But it not required under the new covenant.

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

I am not in Christ by works of the law but by faith. A righteousness that is from first to last by faith.

 

[David Lamb]

Fair enough but I don't go around telling lies do you?

No, but that doesn't make me sinless. The apostle Paul knew that his own righteousness was not sufficient for God. He wrote:

“8 Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9 ¶ and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;” (Php 3:8-9 NKJV)

 

[Rella]

In regard to the law as a day of rest, No, and I stated so. But it not required under the new covenant.

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

I am not in Christ by works of the law but by faith. A righteousness that is from first to last by faith.

Fsir enough... but just a little reminder....

Well, you said you keep the commandments, and the Sabbath is the fourth.

Jesus Himself said in MATT. 5:17“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

FULFILL IN THIS CASE means to complete or bring to it's intended goal.

Do not get me wrong. I am not, myself, a Sabbath keeper ... but I never indicated I keep the commandments without a few hiccuos along the way.

Blessings

 

[Paul]

No, but that doesn't make me sinless. The apostle Paul knew that his own righteousness was not sufficient for God. He wrote:

“8 Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9 ¶ and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;” (Php 3:8-9 NKJV)

In Christ is no sin. So sin will not be your master. A state of sin cannot exist in God. I know you don't walk on water. Remain in Christ and He will remain in you.

Saints as defined in Rev=>Those who hold to the testimony of Jesus and keep God commandments.

You are seen by God as =>

Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. 22But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— 23if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel

 

[Paul]

Fsir enough... but just a little reminder....

Well, you said you keep the commandments, and the Sabbath is the fourth.

Jesus Himself said in MATT. 5:17“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

FULFILL IN THIS CASE means to complete or bring to it's intended goal.

Do not get me wrong. I am not, myself, a Sabbath keeper ... but I never indicated I keep the commandments without a few hiccuos along the way.

Blessings

Paul narrowed it all down to one. LOVE

Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

 

[CrowCross]

I have shown Christians are defined as those who keep Gods commandments. I keep God commandments. John wrote those born of God cannot sin BECAUSE Gods seed remains in them.

I understand what you're trying to say....but as we all know christians can sin from time to time.

Your problem arises when you seem to say that you never sin.

As a christians will your sins be counted against you? Of course not, Jesus took them. Because our sins will not be counted against us that doesn't mean a christian can't sin.