The Lord said to my Lord sit at my right hand...
The God of all said to Davids Sovereign, the Christ
Jesus is a child of the Father. He's begotten.
Ask Him IF you know Him.
Argument against the Doctrine of the Trinity. (And keep it clean, please.)
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The God of all said to Davids Sovereign, the Christ
Jesus is a child of the Father. He's begotten.
Ask Him IF you know Him.
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This is not Biblically true.
Do you understand hermeneutics.
Especially the historical context?
I understand your teacher is the doctrine of the trinity.
The Lord (God of all) said to MY Lord (Davids Sovereign)
Jesus's God has set Him above His companions. If Jesus were coeternal, He would already be above all because He is God. Rather than inheriting all things from His God and Father and receiving authority.
Its not to us there is but one God the Father, Son and Spirit from and through all things come.
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
It not this is eternal life that they know us the only true God.
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
In the Son lives all the fullness. In that oneness with the Father He is all that the Father is (God) But His spirit is not Deity and is Gods firstborn and has always been the Son. Not God in that context. A promised Son who will be called God. A Son who has the Fathers nature but is not the Father. He and the Father are one and He is not a God as some might state He is the First and Last.
Because He is a Son the writer of Hebrews took pain to contrast His Sonship with the angels of God to show the superiority of His Sonship. Hebrews 1 is about the Son not about God.
He is Gods Firstborn and has always been the Son
The beginning of the creation of God and the Firstborn of all creation -His spirit -the fullness was gifted.
Eternally begotten the Father and His Son both always as existed
He, His spirit, is a begotten Son as in a child or offspring of God. There is no such thing as eternally begotten. He is before all created things except His own person. Gods Firstborn and the Firstborn of all creation. In Him God was pleased that "His" fullness should dwell. They are ONE. A promised Son who is called God for He is all that the Father is. He is not coeternal. At the appointed time the Son who was, His spirit not the spirit of a man, descended into the body God prepared for Him and the Father was shown to be living in Him doing His work and speaking to us by His Son His message. After completion of the work the Father gave Him to do His spirit ascended to where He was before.
"Father into your hands I comit "My" spirit"
So you see jesus then as the first created being, same way JW do also, as Arianism?
I do read Jesus calling the Father alone the only true God and Jesus is His Firstborn but I identify Jesus as the First and the Last not a God. Nor do I believe Jesus is the arch Angel Michael. I don't know all that Arius believed as there is a possibility He might have considered the Spirit a child of the Father as well which I do NOT. But He reasoned if Jesus was begotten then He has a beginning which I would agree. The Spirit of the soverign Lord is the Spirit the Father calls His own. As in the person of the Father. Its those who listen and learn from the "Father" go to the Son. As in they shall all be taught by God. It was the Spirit of the Father living in Jesus doing His work. God spoke to us in these last days by His Son. God created by His Son. God appoint His Son heir of all things. God exalted His Son above every name except Himself.
One God our Father -On Christ our Lord.
Lord and God meant in the NT same thing, as God referred to the Father, while Lord to Jesus
Not always and its God our Father and Jesus our Lord not God the Father Son and Spirit. The Spirit isn't even mentioned. Because there is no 3rd mind. A person is mind and spirit not just spirit. It's the Spirit of the Sovereign Lord that was upon Jesus.
A distinction is being made between God and Lord that is not captured by orthodox trinity statements.
The Holy Spirit Himself has a mind, can think, talk, get angry, feel grieved etc
Per the Greek text of Gospel of John, The father and the Word always existed eternally, both were each very God, and thsat word became human flesh and came to earth as Jesus of Nazareth
He speaks only what He hears but keep in mind the Fathers Spirit is Deity.
He intercedes according to the will of the mind of God.
In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
He is a person who is God, but is not the father
Do you agree with John on this?OH ok
No, but what I state you cannot accept so why continue? In Christ all the fullness dwells and He and the Father are one. But He is begotten not coeternal. A Son.
One God the Father and one Christ our Lord.
To Him who sits on the throne and the lamb.
He is the Fathers own Spirit always.
He wasn't found worthy of such praise?
Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying:
“To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb
be praise and honor and glory and power,
for ever and ever!”
14The four living creatures said, “Amen,” and the elders fell down and worshiped.
Nothing is from or through Him?
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
Its not important to know Him?
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
There is no 3rd person.
The Spirit of the Sovereign Lord who is God our Father the only true God. The only one Jesus calls Father.
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This is really bad Theology.
Those who teach sinless perfection also teach this false doctrine about the Lord Jesus Christ.
Who is God that came in the flesh.
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Have you never heard the Christmas story?
Have you ever read about the Son in Hebrews 1? I believe God created by that Son. That God appointed that Son heir of all things. That God set that Son above His companions.
You believe the Logos ceased to exist and became the Son and remained the Son?
Do you believe the Son who calls His God Father is the offspring of the Father?
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. Col 1:19 -This is what the Spirit made known to me -From the will of another.
You read everything in regard to the Son through the lens of the doctrine of the trinity.
And the "Persons noted in regard to the creation are God our Father and Christ are Lord. The persons noted on the throne are God Jesus's Father and His lamb. No mention of the Spirit. Because the Spirit is just that the Spirit OF God our Father the only true God.
Use this lens as given to you by the head of the body of Christ not man -The One He calls His God and Father is the only true God,
