He is a Son of the Father and He is the Fathers First Begotten.
Argument against the Doctrine of the Trinity. (And keep it clean, please.)
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One God the Father. One Christ our Lord. The throne of God and the lamb forever.
The Son is subject to His God and Father and remains in His Fathers love by always doing what pleases His Father.
If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.
God the Father poured out His Spirit in these last days and any sending was in accordence to His will and promise.
My spirit is not subject to me it is me, Likewise the Spirit of the Father is not subject to Himself.
You are free to believe He was born from the Father before all ages without a beginning. I agree to the first part.
He is a Son with a stated God and Father. (His testimony)
There is only one Divine Spirit/Deity.
There is only one Christ.
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It sounds orthodox—arguably by design—but it is the age-old Eusebian error.
I believed the apostolic teaching (Lk 1:31-32) of Jesus Christ (Lk 10:16) that Jesus has the Father's nature, which is divine, which makes Jesus divine (God) as well as human (Lk 1:31-32).
Good to know you don't think your Spirit is a person distinct from you, and you won't be sending it anywhere, as in the Triune God, where
the Spirit is subject to the Father, for the Spirit is sent by the Father in the Son's name (Jn 14:26), and
the Spirit is subject to the Son as well as the Father, for the Spirit is sent by the Son as well as the Father (Jn 15:26, 16:7, 14:26, Ac 2:33),
the Father, Son and Holy Spirit thereby being three distinct persons in the one God.
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indeed, as all 3 persons of the blessed trinity have within each of Them own Deity , not dependent to have it derived from the Father
Keep reading, as they both share in the glory of God, as Jesus by very nature fully as much God as His father is
Agreed. . .
And that divine nature makes him God, just as my human nature makes me human, and my dog's animal nature makes him animal.
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You are missing my point.
The Word was before creation and with YHWH back long before Adam was ever thought of. The Word was not crewated and the Word
was not born.
But the Word did "became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."
Now if you want to say this flesh was created because he came out of a woman, and was begun in her by the Holy Spirit ... have at it.
Every time I think of Jesus being created I see God sitting up in heaven with a big ole pile of modeling clay creating away.
The fact is He... Jesus... was not born before all ages. Before all ages was the Word and we know nothing about Him.
I don't follow him.
I understand your belief. But He's begotten at some point in history before the world began.
The statement is from the creed. I agree in part. If He's begotten as a Son and shown from the Father that states beginning. The beginning of the creation of God and the Firstborn of all creation. Before all created things except His own person (spirit) The Firstborn. In Him the fullness was pleased to dwell. Though born from the Father alone all other created things were brought into existence by God through/by/for Him.
I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
It's the Faters Deity living in Him without limit. God gifted His firstborn the glory of oneness with His fullness. Hence His God and Father and a Son who is called God. What God? The First and Last.
Is Jesus God?
He never dies.
Yes, He is all that the Father is.
No, He has always been the Son.
I see the one giving and the one receiving in the Ot and Nt. Father=>Son
Psalm 2
I will proclaim the Lord’s decree:
He said to me, “You are my son;
today I have become your father.
8Ask me,
and I will make the nations your inheritance,
the ends of the earth your possession.
9 You will break them with a rod of iron
you will dash them to pieces like pottery.”
The LORD says to my lord: “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.”
About the Son
You love righteousness and hate wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.
About God
“You are worthy, our Lord and God,
to receive glory and honor and power,
for you created all things,
and by your will they were created
and have their being.”
Both Jesus and the Father are equally God
- Hebrews 1:8: This verse quotes Psalm 45:6, directly addressing the Son (Jesus) as "God," and states that "Your throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom".
- Psalm 45:6-7: The original passage in Psalms also uses this phrase, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever," and adds that God has anointed Jesus with the "oil of joy".
- Significance: These verses are used to affirm the divine nature of Jesus Christ, describing His rule as eternal, righteous, and just, according to interpretations on Bible Hub and heavenonwheels.org.
He is calling out to us your heresy
Hebrews 1 is about the Son. God spoke to us on these last days by His Son whom God appointed heir of all things through whom God made the universe or ages. The Son inherited from the Father as its the Fathers alone to give being the only true God.
I think I have shown the reason God calls His Son God. And we already know from Jesus that the Father is His God. Jesus sat down with His Father on His Fathers throne, and it is the throne of God and the lamb forever.
Regardless I don't follow Him but I do know He was considered a brilliant theologian. I think he caved to keep from getting driven out when then didn't like His answers.
Jesus calls the Father alone the only true God. But in His defense the doctrine of the trinity didn't exist at that point in history.
I follow Him so it's not just my heresy.
You didn't learn this from Him.
True God from true God. Coeternal; begotten but not made
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