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Argument against the Doctrine of the Trinity. (And keep it clean, please.)
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And the Father is God.It's the Faters Deity living in Him without limit. God gifted His firstborn the glory of oneness with His fullness. Hence His God and Father and a Son who is called God. What God? The First and Last.
Is Jesus God?
He never dies.
Yes, He is all that the Father is.
The Word was God. . .And the Word became flesh. (Jn 1:1, 14)
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The Father is the only true God as Jesus states,And the Father is God.
The Word was God. . .And the Word became flesh. (Jn 1:1, 14)
The Son is the radience of the Fathers glory and the imprint of the Fathers very being for in Him dwells all the fullness.
The Father is unbegotten. The Son is begotten.
No where does it state true god from true god or coeternal.
The Word of the Father was eternal God Himself, as each Person of the trinity has always been God in and by themselvesRegardless I don't follow Him but I do know He was considered a brilliant theologian. I think he caved to keep from getting driven out when then didn't like His answers.
Jesus calls the Father alone the only true God. But in His defense the doctrine of the trinity didn't exist at that point in history.
I follow Him so it's not just my heresy.
You didn't learn this from Him.
True God from true God. Coeternal; begotten but not made
The Same Father calls Jesus and the Holy Spirit very God ThemselvesHebrews 1 is about the Son. God spoke to us on these last days by His Son whom God appointed heir of all things through whom God made the universe or ages. The Son inherited from the Father as its the Fathers alone to give being the only true God.
I think I have shown the reason God calls His Son God. And we already know from Jesus that the Father is His God. Jesus sat down with His Father on His Fathers throne, and it is the throne of God and the lamb forever.
Jesus eternally begotten always has eternally existedThe Father is the only true God as Jesus states,
The Son is the radience of the Fathers glory and the imprint of the Fathers very being for in Him dwells all the fullness.
The Father is unbegotten. The Son is begotten.
No where does it state true god from true god or coeternal.
Jn 1:1, 14 could not be more clear. . .The Word was God, the Word became flesh.The Father is the only true God as Jesus states,
The Son is the radience of the Fathers glory and the imprint of the Fathers very being for in Him dwells all the fullness.
The Father is unbegotten. The Son is begotten.
No where does it state true god from true god or coeternal.
It's not complicated.
The issue is not linguistics. . .the issue is unbelief.
The Father is the only true God.Jn 1:1, 14 could not be more clear. . .The Word was God, the Word became flesh.
It's not complicated.
The issue is not linguistics. . .the issue is unbelief.
I prefer true as given from above.
I have shown a begotten Son who is called God and is all that the Father is but its the Fathers Deity that lives in Him not His own.
Show me where that was taught and stated. What you state was just something stated so.Jesus eternally begotten always has eternally existed
I'll show you my belief
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. -Not the invisible God
Yes I know about a promised Son who will be called God and again I have shown that.The Same Father calls Jesus and the Holy Spirit very God Themselves
But this wasn't taught or declared.
True God from true God; Coeternal
The Word of the Father is Gods Son (child)The Word of the Father was eternal God Himself, as each Person of the trinity has always been God in and by themselves
The writer of hebrews took pain to contrast the superiorty of Jesus's Sonship ve the angels of God because He is Gods SON.
A Son who is before all created things but His own person. A Son who God brought all created things into existance except His own person. A Son who God appointed heir of all things. A Son whose God set Him above His companions.
About the Father He's unbegotten -His Diety created and those things belong to Him and they were His alone to give and He is above all without any other givening Him authority.He has no God or Father and has not received from any other.
“You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being.”
It has always been the Church or Assembly of the Firstborn.
and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.
They are one and the same God, one Deity, including the Holy Spirit.The Father is the only true God.
I prefer true as given from above.
I have shown a begotten Son who is called God and is all that the Father is but its the Fathers Deity that lives in Him not His own.
The same one and only Deity is three persons.
Jn 1:1, 14 could not be more clear. . .The Word was God, the Word became flesh.
It's not complicated.
The issue is not linguistics. . .the issue is unbelief.
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Jesus has within Himself same exact glory of the Father, as does the Holy Spirit, as One God but within Himself are 3 Eternal persons, Blessed trinityThe Word of the Father is Gods Son (child)
The writer of hebrews took pain to contrast the superiorty of Jesus's Sonship ve the angels of God because He is Gods SON.
A Son who is before all created things but His own person. A Son who God brought all created things into existance except His own person. A Son who God appointed heir of all things. A Son whose God set Him above His companions.
About the Father He's unbegotten -His Diety created and those things belong to Him and they were His alone to give and He is above all without any other givening Him authority.He has no God or Father and has not received from any other.
“You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being.”
It has always been the Church or Assembly of the Firstborn.
and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.
Jesus has His own glory Glory as in His very nature very GodThe Father is the only true God.
I prefer true as given from above.
I have shown a begotten Son who is called God and is all that the Father is but its the Fathers Deity that lives in Him not His own.
Or Spiritual Blindness, as Holding to another and false JesusThey are one and the same God, one Deity, including the Holy Spirit.
The same one and only Deity is three persons.
Jn 1:1, 14 could not be more clear. . .The Word was God, the Word became flesh.
It's not complicated.
The issue is not linguistics. . .the issue is unbelief.
I believe His Father and the true God set Him above all. I believe He remains at the right hand of the true God until the true God makes His enemies a footstool for His feet.Jesus has His own glory Glory as in His very nature very God
You simply regurgitate the doctrine of the trinity.
I prefer truth from above.
He and His Father are one just as He testified. He is the image of the invisible God and the imprint of God's very being just as the NT testifies. (All that the Father is) He is Gods oldest child the firstborn of all creation. A Son of the true God. In Him all the fullness was pleased to dwell.
Nothing has changed. He is Christ the Lord a Son in the form of God but A son He is not the true God.
I wasn't going to call you blind just mistaken. If you know Him, you can ask Him if this is true.Or Spiritual Blindness, as Holding to another and false Jesus
Is Jesus God?
He never dies.
Yes, He is all that the Father is.
No, He has always been the Son.
James 1:5
Who is that Deity?They are one and the same God, one Deity, including the Holy Spirit.
The same one and only Deity is three persons.
Jn 1:1, 14 could not be more clear. . .The Word was God, the Word became flesh.
It's not complicated.
The issue is not linguistics. . .the issue is unbelief.
I'm not mistaken.
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
Not found in the NT
true God from true God
coeternal
To him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy— 25to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
The Jesus of the Bible and of History is NOT your Jesus thoughI wasn't going to call you blind just mistaken. If you know Him, you can ask Him if this is true.
Is Jesus God?
He never dies.
Yes, He is all that the Father is.
No, He has always been the Son.
James 1:5
Jesus is very God very ManI believe His Father and the true God set Him above all. I believe He remains at the right hand of the true God until the true God makes His enemies a footstool for His feet.
You simply regurgitate the doctrine of the trinity.
I prefer truth from above.
He and His Father are one just as He testified. He is the image of the invisible God and the imprint of God's very being just as the NT testifies. (All that the Father is) He is Gods oldest child the firstborn of all creation. A Son of the true God. In Him all the fullness was pleased to dwell.
Nothing has changed. He is Christ the Lord a Son in the form of God but A son He is not the true God.
One God Yahweh who within Him are 3 eternal Persons
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