Argument against the Doctrine of the Trinity. (And keep it clean, please.)

[JesusFan]

Who is that Deity?

I'm not mistaken.

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Not found in the NT
true God from true God
coeternal

To him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy— 25to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen

yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

Per peter and Paul 'the Coming of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ"

 

[Eleanor]

Who is that Deity?

The one and only God in three persons who are one God, the one and only Deity.

Jn 1:1, 14 could not be more clear. . .The Word was God, the Word became flesh.
It's not complicated.

The issue is not linguistics. . .the issue is unbelief.

 

[Paul]

The one and only God in three persons who are one God, the one and only Deity.

Jn 1:1, 14 could not be more clear. . .The Word was God, the Word became flesh.
It's not complicated.

The issue is not linguistics. . .the issue is unbelief.

No one God, our Father just as the head of the body of Christ stated.

Mod Edit to remove violation of rule 2.1

 

[Rella]

I believe His Father and the true God set Him above all. I believe He remains at the right hand of the true God until the true God makes His enemies a footstool for His feet.

You simply regurgitate the doctrine of the trinity.

I prefer truth from above.

He and His Father are one just as He testified. He is the image of the invisible God and the imprint of God's very being just as the NT testifies. (All that the Father is) He is Gods oldest child the firstborn of all creation. A Son of the true God. In Him all the fullness was pleased to dwell.

Nothing has changed. He is Christ the Lord a Son in the form of God but A son He is not the true God.

A son. How many are there?

 

[Paul]

Per peter and Paul 'the Coming of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ"

Per Jesus the Father is the ONLY true God. Jude agrees with Him. Jesus is the head of the body of Christ. He trumps all. The Deity in Christ is the Fathers per Jesus who is the same yesterday, today and forever. You need to show from scripture true God from true God and coeternal which I disagree with both as stated. I believe in a Son who is Christ the Lord and all that the Father is. I know Him and He knows me. I have the Spirit of Christ in me and my body is the temple of the Holy Spirit.

Per Paul One God our Father and one Lord Jesus Christ.

I'm sure if we looked at your verses there is debate on translation or meaning.

We have who Peter stated Jesus was. The Christ, the Son of the living God. Now what the Father revealed to Peter is not good enough Jesus has to be God in the flesh but Jesus called Peter blessed.

There was no need for any other statement then the one given which is my belief.
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

 

[Paul]

A son. How many are there?

You don't know?

 

[Paul]

Jesus is very God very Man
One God Yahweh who within Him are 3 eternal Persons

I understand your belief.

 

[Paul]

Per peter and Paul 'the Coming of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ"

I am unable to convince you that Jesus is Gods oldest "child" and the deity in Him that spoke to us in these last days and created in the beginning was the living Father who is not the Son. As in God spoke to us by/through His Son and God created by/through His Son.

Its the appearing of the glory of the great God and savoir of us Christ Jesus.

The Son is the raidence of Gods glory AND exact representation of God's nature. -we disagree in how this is so, but agree that it is so.

I get the impression when you state Son of the Father you don't mean child of the Father. How then is He a Son in any meaning of the word?

 

[Arial]

Jesus is the head of the body of Christ. He trumps all.

Does he trump the Father?

. I believe in a Son who is Christ the Lord and all that the Father is.

If Jesus is all that the Father is then Jesus is God. There is only one God.

Now what the Father revealed to Peter is not good enough Jesus has to be God in the flesh but Jesus called Peter blessed.

Jesus called Peter blessed because God revealed to him that Jesus is Messiah God. Blessed because that is a truth that can only be revealed by God. It is revealed knowledge, not knowledge of the world. You can't see it because God has not revealed it to you I pray he will.

there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

Do you realize that that Bible reference states that both Jesus and the Father are the same? Both have the same things attached to them. "From whom all things came and for whom we live." Is there more than one creator?

 

[Rella]

You don't know?

You are the one who said "a" meaning there are more.....

I am talking about the only begotten

I believe His Father and the true God set Him above all. I believe He remains at the right hand of the true God until the true God makes His enemies a footstool for His feet.

You simply regurgitate the doctrine of the trinity.

I prefer truth from above.

He and His Father are one just as He testified. He is the image of the invisible God and the imprint of God's very being just as the NT testifies. (All that the Father is) He is Gods oldest child the firstborn of all creation. A Son of the true God. In Him all the fullness was pleased to dwell.

Nothing has changed. He is Christ the Lord a Son in the form of God but A son He is not the true God.

Yes... it is true.... the Bible does say that the Father is the only true God… and it also says the Son is the only true God… and the Holy Spirit is the only true God. All three statements are biblical, and all three are compatible with the Trinity.
Here is the exact evidence, verse by verse:

Verse	Exact Words	Who Is Called “the only true God” (or equivalent)
John 17:3 (Jesus praying)	“And this is eternal life, that they know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.”	The Father – Jesus addresses the Father this way.
John 1:1, 18; 20:28; Isaiah 9:6; Romans 9:5; Titus 2:13; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20	“The Word was God” … “the only-begotten God” … “My Lord and my God” … “Mighty God” … “Christ, who is God over all” … “our great God and Savior Jesus Christ” … “Your throne, O God” … “Jesus Christ… He is the true God and eternal life.”	The Son – Jesus is repeatedly called the true God.
Acts 5:3–4	Peter to Ananias: “You have lied to the Holy Spirit… You have not lied to man but to God.”	The Holy Spirit – lying to the Spirit = lying to God.

How Christians Have Always Reconciled This​

Statement	True?	Explanation
“The Father is the only true God” (John 17:3)	Yes	Jesus is speaking of the Father as the source and fountain of the Godhead (the Father is unbegotten).
“The Son is the only true God” (1 John 5:20, etc.)	Yes	Jesus is fully and eternally the same God.
“The Holy Spirit is the only true God” (Acts 5:3–4)	Yes	The Spirit is not a force but the third Person of the one God.
There is only one true God	Yes	Father, Son, and Spirit are the same one being, not three separate gods (Deut 6:4; Isa 44:6–8).

Used by the Church for 1,600+ years​

“The Father is the only true God, the Son is the only true God, and the Holy Spirit is the only true God — yet there are not three gods, but one God, because the Son and the Spirit are the same one God as the Father.”

So yes, the Bible does say the Father is the only true God — but never to the exclusion of the Son or the Spirit.

 

[Eleanor]

No one God, our Father just as the head of the body [/b] the Word became flesh.
your issue remains unbelief.

 

[Eleanor]

No one God, our Father just as the head of the body of Christ stated.

Your issue remains unbelief the word of God (2 Tim 3:16) in Jn 1:1, 14:

"The Word was God. . .The Word became flesh."

 

[His clay]

Numbers 23:19 KJV
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

1 Samuel 15:29 KJV
And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent\par

Hosea 11:9 KJV
I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.

Job 9:32 KJV
For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.\par

Hebrews 6:18
So that by two unchangeable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled for refuge might have strong encouragement to hold fast to the hope set before us.

Numbers 23:19 KJV
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

1 Samuel 15:29 KJV
And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent

Hosea 11:9 KJV
I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.

Job 9:32 KJV
For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.\par

Hebrews 6:18
So that by two unchangeable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled for refuge might have strong encouragement to hold fast to the hope set before us.



"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: FOR MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I."

Why did he say in John 10:29,

"My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."

And why did Jesus say in John 13:16

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him."

(1) In basic level of theology, there is this thing called the incarnation (Jn 1:14). All sorts of discussions about focusing here upon the Holy Spirit, Mary's virginity, and Immanuel (i.e. God with us--Matt 1:23). This happened at a point in time. Often, when Christians celebrate Christmas, we are celebrating the incarnation.

(2) I noticed that every single verse, appealed to, regarding God not being a man, was in the OT. This means that every verse appealed to was with respect to a time before the incarnation. All people agree that before the incarnation, Jesus was not a man. Thusly, those verses are a moot point.

(3) Obviously, with respect to lying, God is not like sinful humanity; and Jesus never lied. He was the spotless/sinless lamb of God.

(4) "He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high," (Heb 1:3 ESV) How can the Son be the exact imprint of the Father's nature, uphold the universe by the word of His power, and not be deity?

 

[JesusFan]

I am unable to convince you that Jesus is Gods oldest "child" and the deity in Him that spoke to us in these last days and created in the beginning was the living Father who is not the Son. As in God spoke to us by/through His Son and God created by/through His Son.

Its the appearing of the glory of the great God and savoir of us Christ Jesus.

The Son is the raidence of Gods glory AND exact representation of God's nature. -we disagree in how this is so, but agree that it is so.

I get the impression when you state Son of the Father you don't mean child of the Father. How then is He a Son in any meaning of the word?

The Second Person of the Trinity never had a time or origination, as always has existed