Argument against the Doctrine of the Trinity. (And keep it clean, please.)

[Josheb]

Who made that rule?

A being with two natures can be, one nature without beginning also taking on a nature with beginning, both natures without ending, as revealed in the NT.
Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, making him divine (Lk 1:35), in the womb of Mary, making him human, the Son of Man (Mt 12:32/ 13:37, Lk 12:8, Jn 1:51).

God has two natures? Please have scriptural support that teaches such rather than stating something is so. (Taking on a nature is a change with a beginning) The Lord does not change.

It has to do with the meaning of the word from which states a point in time in which that took place. The only true God, our Father is not from any other. He is unbegotten unlike His begotten Son.

We are not going to agree so why continue with continuous disagreement?

Yes, Scripture is clear. . .Jesus has two natures. . .human and divine.

His human nature comes from Mary who conceived him, his divine nature comes from the Holy Spirit by whom he was conceived (Lk 1:35).
Jesus is the Word who is God (Jn 1:1) and who became man (Jn 1:14).

Jn 1:1, 14 is as plain as the nose on your face.

If I may....

@Eleanor, when you say, "God has two natures" and mean Jesus has two natures that makes no sense to @Paul because Paul does not agree that Jesus is God. You may as well say "gleer flaggin zjuper waggle snirfo." It's just gibberish to Paul. There is a place to have that conversation because Paul has posted content about Jesus that can only be understood to speak of an inherent divinity but that wasn't fleshed out (no pun intended).

 

[makesends]

But Jesus is a being.

Perhaps you should look up the meaning of "from"

A being with no beginning cannot be from any other nor a Son of another nor have a God.

Such as the Father. He has no received from any other and from Him all things come. Even the truth Jesus testified to is the Fathers. God soke to us in these last days by His Son.

Scripture shows the one giving and the one receiving. Father=>His Son

You subject the Father and the Son to your axiom. Not just the Son. And I'm not even arguing that the Son did come from the Father, nor am I arguing that either one is a being on their own. YOU are taking the argument there, and then falsely measuring that against your axiom. [Maybe you should look up the meaning of "from" as applies to the creator of very reality, and what he can do.] is a statement I would make concerning your anthropomorphic use of your dictionary's limitations.

Anthropomorphism is not a solid foundation for drawing conclusions. "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father." (From John 14:9)

 

[makesends]

God has two natures? Please have scriptural support that teaches such rather than stating something is so. (Taking on a nature is a change with a beginning) The Lord does not change.

It has to do with the meaning of the word from which states a point in time in which that took place. The only true God, our Father is not from any other. He is unbegotten unlike His begotten Son.

We are not going to agree so why continue with continuous disagreement?

So why do you continue?

 

[Paul]

So why do you continue?

I'm answering questions but it's getting to a point where I'm going to stop as I have better things to do.

 

[Paul]

You subject the Father and the Son to your axiom. Not just the Son. And I'm not even arguing that the Son did come from the Father, nor am I arguing that either one is a being on their own. YOU are taking the argument there, and then falsely measuring that against your axiom. [Maybe you should look up the meaning of "from" as applies to the creator of very reality, and what he can do.] is a statement I would make concerning your anthropomorphic use of your dictionary's limitations.

Anthropomorphism is not a solid foundation for drawing conclusions. "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father." (From John 14:9)

If you seen the Son you have seen the Father because the Father is living in Him doing His work. They are one.

A being with no beginning cannot be from another as a Son nor would such a being have a God. As is the Father alone the only true God

 

[JesusFan]

I'm not a JW and the Father alone is the only true God. So I guess Jesus's.

You would be then either same as JW or into Unitarianism

 

[JesusFan]

I understand your belief.

That view is the one of the Bible

 

[Paul]

That view is the one of the Bible

Is from the doctrine of the trinity

 

[JesusFan]

If you seen the Son you have seen the Father because the Father is living in Him doing His work. They are one.

A being with no beginning cannot be from another as a Son nor would such a being have a God. As is the Father alone the only true God

Jesus self identification as being I AM would be a declaration of His deity. and the Jewish leaders knew was affirming equality to their Yahweh

 

[JesusFan]

If the person of the Father is the only true God what you believe is not a possible answer.

He didn't include Himself nor state anything about a 3rd person.

Jesus-“Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me.

Jesus and the Holy Spirit Themselves also are Yahweh, one true God

 

[JesusFan]

If I may....

@Eleanor, when you say, "God has two natures" and mean Jesus has two natures that makes no sense to @Paul because Paul does not agree that Jesus is God. You may as well say "gleer flaggin zjuper waggle snirfo." It's just gibberish to Paul. There is a place to have that conversation because Paul has posted content about Jesus that can only be understood to speak of an inherent divinity but that wasn't fleshed out (no pun intended).

his Jesus though is same one of the JW

 

[JesusFan]

Is from the doctrine of the trinity

Which came from the Bible

 

[Paul]

Jesus and the Holy Spirit Themselves also are Yahweh, one true God

I understand your belief

 

[Paul]

Which came from the Bible

No it was written by man.

 

[JesusFan]

No it was written by man.

Which was derived from the Bible itself

 

[Paul]

Which was derived from the Bible itself

With error

 

[JesusFan]

With error

So the Apostles were in error?

 

[Paul]

So the Apostles were in error?

So Jesus was in error?
No to your question.

 

[JesusFan]

So Jesus was in error?
No to your question.

Jesus claimed to be very God do you accept His own testimony?

 

[Paul]

Jesus claimed to be very God do you accept His own testimony?

Jesus did not claim to be God nor did the Apostles state about Jesus what you state. True God from True God; coeternal

Jesus calls the Father the only true God.
In addition He statedo not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me.
“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.
"The Father is greayer than I"

Jesus stated He was Gods Son. He stated the Father was living in Him and they are one.

“You are not yet fifty years old,” they said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!”
“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”

Moses asked for a name
God said to Moses, "I am who I am". This is what you are to say to the Israelites : "I am has set me to you."

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