If the person of the Father is the only true God what you believe is not a possible answer.
He didn't include Himself nor state anything about a 3rd person.
Jesus-“Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me.
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He didn't include Himself nor state anything about a 3rd person.
Jesus-“Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me.
None of which addresses the folllowing:
One God. . .in three distinct persons:
the Son being subject to the Father, for the Son is sent by the Father (Jn 5:23, 36, 43),
the Spirit being subject to the Father, for the Spirit is sent by the Father in the Son's name (Jn 14:26), and
the Spirit being subject to the Son as well as the Father, for the Spirit is sent by the Son as well as the Father (Jn 15:26, 16:7, 14:26, Ac 2:33).
One doesn't send oneself, one sends another person.
It is Jesus in the above who shows three distinct persons in disclosing the mystery of the Trininty, which mystery is the heart of Christian faith in God.
And that mystery is three distinct persons in one God--the Son doing the will of the Father, and the Spirit doing the will of the Father and the Son.
It is Jesus stating One true God the Father and Himself not 3 persons.
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
And if you are confused in Him calling the Father the only true God and not including Himself this should help.
Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me.
Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone
No 3rd person
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
No 3rd person
Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying: “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!”
No 3rd person
No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him
It's the Fathers Spirit which is Deity. The Spirit of the only true God not God the Spirit.
Fathers promise -
‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Which is in agreement with post #222.
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False equivalence and anthropomorphization: You are equating "from" with your experience of the term's use. God is not a merely temporal being, like us.
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And if @Eleanor is not confused? That the Doctrine of the Trinity can only go so far in OUR understanding of the facts does not lend confusion, if one doesn't try to justify the things they don't understand to read that Jesus is not GOD OF VERY GOD. No, I did not misspell "every".
Your foundation is Mystery but that is the doctrine not the NT. Jesus has always been the Son. In Him lives all the fullness. (The Father-the only true God) They are one.
I know from above Jesus is all that the Father is and, in that context, He is Mighty God as in "about the Son" but a child of the Father He is. Gods Firstborn.
But Jesus is a being.
Perhaps you should look up the meaning of "from"
A being with no beginning cannot be from any other nor a Son of another nor have a God.
Such as the Father. He has no received from any other and from Him all things come. Even the truth Jesus testified to is the Fathers. God soke to us in these last days by His Son.
Scripture shows the one giving and the one receiving. Father=>His Son
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
Hmm...
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Leave the Holy Spirit alone for a while....
If you cannot comprehend Jesus is God you have more problems to wrestle with
You say,
Fathers promise -
‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Related in Acts 2: 17-18 of course this came from the reference Jooel in the OT. And was a promise that when God's Spirit would be given to everyone, it would allow them to prophesy, see visions, and dream dreams.
But then when Jesus was going to be gone He said
said in John 14:16 “I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;
Jesus also said.... John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
Jesus also said ...John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
God Said.... Exodus 3:14-15 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. 15, And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
Jesus Said... The first time....
In John 6:16-21, the disciples rowed a boat to Capernaum in the middle of a storm. They were frightened when they saw Jesus walking near them on the water. “But he said to them, “It is I; do not be afraid.” (John 6:20 ESV)
This is the first appearance of the phrase ego eimi, I am. Jesus is clearly doing something only God could do: walking on water.
Jesus Said definitively....
in John 8, at the end of a long and contentious debate with the Jews gathered at the temple. The discussion took a dangerous turn, which pivoted on the utterance of ego eimi.
“‘Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.’ So the Jews said to him, ‘You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?’ Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.’
John 8 : 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
= Jesus is God. Period
My belief and it will never change.
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
About that Son who is CHRIST THE LORD
The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being,
The Father alone is unbegotten and the only true God
I understand amd know who my Lord is. He is Gods Firstborn and has always been the Son.
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Well this is my 3rd try and if this does not work Ill move on.
You certainly are entitled to your beliefs.... just as I am... and I will not argue that with you.
But quick question.
Who do you say the Word was/is?
Follow up quicky.
Do you believe all scripture to be the inerrant word of God?
Again as Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. He is Gods Firstborn and has always been the Son. In Him all the fullness lives. That is who He is and was and ever shall be. Gods oldest child. Hebrews 1 takes pain to contrast the superiority of His sonship vs the angels of God because He is a Son.
Yes, in regard to scripture.
Jesus uses truth. The Father alone is the only true God.
Don't mistake your lack of understanding for the reality of it.
"Setting aside" is a denial of the reality of it without Biblial demonstration of that denial.
Post #220 still remains to be addressed by you.
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It's not reality which is the point. A being with no beginning cannot be from any other person and would not be a Son with a Father nor have a God. It is something that is just stated as so. A mystery as a foundation not fact.
Who made that rule?
A being with two natures can be, one nature without beginning also taking on a nature with beginning, both natures without ending, as revealed in the NT.
Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, making him divine (Lk 1:35), in the womb of Mary, making him human, the Son of Man (Mt 12:32/ 13:37, Lk 12:8, Jn 1:51).
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God has two natures? Please have scriptural support that teaches such rather than stating something is so. (Taking on a nature is a change with a beginning) The Lord does not change.
It has to do with the meaning of the word from which states a point in time in which that took place. The only true God, our Father is not from any other. He is unbegotten unlike His begotten Son.
We are not going to agree so why continue with continuous disagreement?
Yes, Scripture is clear. . .Jesus has two natures. . .human and divine.
His human nature comes from Mary who conceived him, his divine nature comes from the Holy Spirit by whom he was conceived (Lk 1:35).
Jesus is the Word who is God (Jn 1:1) and who became man (Jn 1:14).
Jn 1:1, 14 is as plain as the nose on your face.
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