Are Believers Saved Or Are Believers Not Saved Yet?

[Eleanor]

Don't be insulting. I know the meaning of "to generate". Do you?

By far the most usual meaning of "to generate" is "to bring into existence"; less often, it can mean "to give or supply"; less often still, it can mean "to produce" or "to make children". None of these meanings is appropriate, when referring to the relationship between the Father and God the Son. It would be appropriate only when referring to the Father, in relation to Jesus' incarnation.

See post #115.

 

[Mr GLee]

See posts #101, #104, #115.

Many comas no explanations.

Is God a man dying mankind?

 

[David1701]

See post #115.

Already seen and rebutted.

 

[Eleanor]

Many comas no explanations.

Is God a man dying mankind?

See post #122.

 

[Eleanor]

Already seen and rebutted.

See post #121.

 

[David1701]

See post #121.

See post #123.

 

[Hobie]

Justification has always only been by faith. While it is true that Abraham believed God, so he was justified (Genesis 15:6), it is also true that he believed God, so he obeyed God's command to offer Isaac (Hebrews 11:17), so the same faith by which he was justified was also expressed by being an obeyer of God, but he did not earn his justification as the result of his obedience (Romans 4:1-5). In James 2:21-24, it quotes Genesis 15:6 to support saying that Abraham was justified by his works when he offered Isaac, that his faith was active along with his works, and his faith completed his works, so he was justified by his works insofar as they were expressing his faith, but not insofar as they were earning a wage. While Paul denied that was can earn our justification as wage (Romans 4:1-5), he also said that only the doers of the law will be justified (Romans 2:13), so there must be a reason why our justification requires us to choose to be doers of the law other than in order to earn it as a wage, namely faith insofar as the same faith by which we are justified does not abolish our need to be doers of the law, but rather our faith upholds it. Another way to put it is that we become someone who has faith, someone who is a doer of the law, and someone who will be justified all at the same time and anyone who is not one is also not the others, but we do not earn our justification as the result of being a doer of the law. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for being a doer of good works in obedience to God's law is the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross and the way to become justified through faith.

Yes, the process of sanctification, much like when Enoch walk with God, faith and works coming together..

 

[jeremiah1five]

Not saved yet. We only have a 'down payment' of salvation. When Christ returns, He's bringing the completion of our salvation. Right now, we're only one-third saved.

 

[Eleanor]

Not saved yet. We only have a 'down payment' of salvation. When Christ returns, He's bringing the completion of our salvation. Right now, we're only one-third saved.

Salvation is first of all from the wrath of God--done!

Salvation is followed by growth in Christ--in progress.

Salvation is glorification at the resurrection--coming.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Salvation is first of all from the wrath of God--done!

Salvation is followed by growth in Christ--in progress.

Salvation is glorification at the resurrection--coming.

We are only one-third redeemed.
When Christ returns, He's bringing the completion of our salvation.