Are Believers Saved Or Are Believers Not Saved Yet?

[atpollard]

Your interpretation does not harmonize with Jesus' word as usual.

So it is not of God.

Your 'taint so' complete ignore of the actual words of scripture, BOTH Hebrew and the Hebrew-English Lexicon is obvious and noted by all. Scripture SAYS what it SAYS. If you have a problem with what Moses wrote, talk to God. I am not to blame for the word they chose. God chose to inspire Moses to use the PLURAL form of "god" to describe himself in Genesis. Even ENGLISH was forced to acknowledge the PLURAL pronouns "US/OUR" in Genesis 1:26 followed by SINGULAR pronouns in the next verse. Why would God use "US" in one verse and "HE" in the next verse to describe Himself? For a TRINITARIAN reality, it makes perfect sense - one GOD in THREE PERSONS.

However, all you have is empty denial and confusion.

 

[Eleanor]

this kind of analysis comes from the Roman Empire institution that made up a false god, the triune god.

All your claims are unbiblical and man-made.

I have debunked all of them already and you are only repeating false claims.

Unbelief is the only debunking of Jn 1:1, 14: "the Word was God. . .the Word became flesh and dwelt among us."

 

[grace2]

Your 'taint so' complete ignore of the actual words of scripture,

I ignore all twisted interpretations.

 

[Mr GLee]

The exact number is not specified, just "more than one". Exactly the same as the English "Let US make man in OUR image." [Genesis 1:26] specifies "more than one" without an exact number of "US/OUR".

Two is the word one God has spoke. The law of Christ's faith .

(One)Let there be and (Two) it was good.

Two gods working as one. The Faithfull Creator as Eternal God pouring out his Spirit on dying flesh in jeopardy of his own Spirit life. Jesus the first of born of born again sons of God

John 10:34-36King James Version34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemes; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Hebrews 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

When two or three, a family gathers before him. He is there working in there new born again heart .

John 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak .Prohecy the will of the father .

You could say just as any prophet .The witness of two. Witnessed by Balaam Ass to represent a unbeliever. God is not served by human will dying mankind

Numbers 22:28 And the Lord opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?

Three to include a (Queen mother ). . . a crowd.

Two the company of Christ

 

[Mr GLee]

Unbelief is the only debunking of Jn 1:1, 14: "the Word was God. . .the Word became flesh and dwelt among us."

What did the word lok like .Did it have form Or did it create form acording to the law of faith (1 ) let thre be and two it was God alone good

Three queen mother of heaven. . a crowd . She gets the boot.

 

[David1701]

That is the mantra of triune god worshipping churches, not of God.

and it is a lie.

Are you a JW, a Unitarian or Oneness?

 

[grace2]

Are you a JW, a Unitarian or Oneness?

I am a non-trin.

I dont worship the triune god.

 

[jeremiah1five]

this kind of analysis comes from the Roman Empire institution that made up a false god, the triune god.

All your claims are unbiblical and man-made.

I have debunked all of them already and you are only repeating false claims.

Let's do the math:

God and His Spirit:

IN the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Gen. 1:1–2.

The Son:

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: Lk 1:32.

1. God
2. His Spirit
3. The Son.

Three Persons, One God. Trinity.

 

[Mr GLee]

Let's do the math:

God and His Spirit:

IN the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Gen. 1:1–2.

The Son:

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: Lk 1:32.

1. God
2. His Spirit
3. The Son.

Three Persons, One God. Trinity.

LOL. . . Lets do the math (rightly divide) not add or take away from the perfect .

We do not know Christ the invisible head by with or to the oral traditons of dying mankind (Rabbis) called fathers . "I heard it through the dying Jewish Rabbis (fathers) Grape vine. .

A invisible Holy Spirit has not flesh and bone.(rudiments of this dying world )

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

God even today is not a racist .No plan to be one in the future .


Why promote racisms? How could that bring peace to all the nations?

When the first century reformation came and the shadows disappeared there was no Jewish man as King of kings siting in what they called the holy place as if God lived in temples made with the dying hands as a will stone walls could contain a eternal Holy Spirit .

Like the Wizard of Oz big voice nothing no "Let there be power" to back it up.

Satan used Peter to give the illusion God is a sinful man a Jewish King of Kings . He fell (Revelation 20: 3) and could no longer deceive the whole world that eternal God is a Jewish man as king of kings .

Are you Catholic? They still trust Peter is the propmised one forbidding the Son of man of displaying the work of the invisible head Christ the husband of the church .

.Revelation 20:3King James Version And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations (Every nation to include the dying Jewish nation) no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Mathew 16: 22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Which one good teaching master as Lord today ? (1) of eternal God the invisible head or (2) dying mankind like Peter a Jewish man ?

Study show yourself approved of God not seen .

Our invisible head Christ the husband again warns his wife the church in 1 John 2: 26- 27 of those who say we need a dying Jewish man to teach us as if He could note keep his promise (John 14) to teach comfort guide and last but not least bring the previous things to our memory of what he has taught from the beginning. He even brings to our mind each other so we can pray . .a family thing. (new creatures)

1 John 2:26-27 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

 

[grace2]

Let's do the math:

Your claim:

God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.

Those are three Gods.

 

[donadams]

Promoting a false god is not a holy religion.

Where does scripture say we can decide truth for ourselves?

You shall know the truth!

 

[David1701]

I am a non-trin.

I dont worship the triune god.

Whom do you accept as being God: the Father, the Son or the Holy Spirit; and why do you reject the others?

 

[Arial]

Your claim:

God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.

Those are three Gods.

No they are not. One God, three distinctions within Him. His being, His mode of existence is triune. A creature cannot do what Jesus did, which is to satisfy God's justice against sin, that justice and mercy might kiss. That is, reconciled. No created man, born in Adam and therefore a sinful creature, can ever be righteous enough to dwell with God in His kingdom.

Jesus is not just a moral teacher. He is not just a prophet. He actually did something that no man can do, and that is to make atonement for sin and the sinner, by the shedding of His blood.

You see, Jesus did that to defeat once and for all our enemy---sin and death---and out death to death, restoring the whole creation to perfection and then to dwell among us. Rev 21:.1-7



21 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place[a] of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people,[b] and God himself will be with them as their God.[c] 4 He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”

5 And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” 6 And he said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment. 7 The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son.

 

[grace2]

No they are not. One God, three distinctions within Him.

This analysis comes from the Roman Empire.

It dishonors Jesus' word.

Your faith is Jesus 'less.

 

[grace2]

Whom do you accept as being God:

Simple, Jesus' Father.

You too disrespect Jesus' word.

 

[David1701]

This analysis comes from the Roman Empire.

It dishonors Jesus' word.

Your faith is Jesus 'less.

Jesus said, "I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I AM.". The Bible also says that the mystery of godliness is great - God was manifest in the flesh. And again, "This is eternal life, to know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.".

It is clear that the Father and Jesus Christ are both God; but, the Holy Spirit is also God - "There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit and these three agree in one.".

 

[grace2]

Whom do you accept as being God: the Father, the Son or the Holy Spirit; and why do you reject the others?

Jesus never put Himself equal with His Father.

He says clearly that His Father is greater than He.

Give Him the respect He deserves.,

 

[grace2]

Jesus said, "I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I AM.". The Bible also says that the mystery of godliness is great - God was manifest in the flesh. And again, "This is eternal life, to know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.".

It is clear that the Father and Jesus Christ are both God; but, the Holy Spirit is also God - "There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit and these three agree in one.".

nothing new.

bye.

 

[David1701]

Simple, Jesus' Father.

You too disrespect Jesus' word.

It is you who disrespect Jesus' word, since he made it very clear that he is God and man, on several occasions. Even the Pharisees realised that, in saying that he is the Son of God, he was claiming to be God. Thomas also witnessed to the fact that Jesus is God, when exclaimed, "My Lord and my God.", to Jesus.

 

[David1701]

Jesus never put Himself equal with His Father.

He says clearly that His Father is greater than He.

Give Him the respect He deserves.,

The Bible clearly states that Jesus made himself of no reputation, when he came down from heaven and that he did not consider equality with God a thing to be held onto.

If you reject the Lord Jesus Christ as God, then are still in your sins and will go to hell, if you do not repent and believe in Him.