Are Believers Saved Or Are Believers Not Saved Yet?

[grace2]

The bible teaches a Trinity of God in Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Y'all don't see it?

Blind, blind, blind.

Where do you find the word "trinity" or "Triun god"?

it is "emperor syndrome".

You see things are not there.

You don't have the mind of a child's innocent mind.

Jesus says if you don't have faith of a child like you will not get into God's kingdom.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Where do you find the word "trinity" or "Triun god"?

it is "emperor syndrome".

You see things are not there.

You don't have the mind of a child's innocent mind.

Jesus says if you don't have faith of a child like you will not get into God's kingdom.

We don't find a Hebrew word "God" in the Hebrew Scripture. And yet we use the word in English to identify words like "Elohim" "Adonai" "YHWH" "Eloah" and "El."

 

[grace2]

We don't find a Hebrew word "God" in the Hebrew Scripture. And yet we use the word in English to identify words like "Elohim" "Adonai" "YHWH" "Eloah" and "El."

There are so many ways of describing God.

God is only one of them.

He is YHWH, Jehovah, Father, God and the LORD.

Jesus used the term, "Father" mainly.

it is all accepted by faithful one of the OT and the NT.

But the trinity, the triune god is only accepted by the Roman empire. they created this man-made god.

 

[jeremiah1five]

There are so many ways of describing God.

God is only one of them.

He is YHWH, Jehovah, Father, God and the LORD.

Jesus used the term, "Father" mainly.

it is all accepted by faithful one of the OT and the NT.

But the trinity, the triune god is only accepted by the Roman empire. they created this man-made god.

There are also words to describe the reality of Father, Son, Holy Spirit. One of them is "Trinity."

No, Rome did not 'create' this term for the Deific reality of God.

The reality of the "Trinity" of God did not find its fullest expression until the Advent of the Son.

 

[grace2]

There are also words to describe the reality of Father, Son, Holy Spirit. One of them is "Trinity."

Your information all came from your mother church Roman Empire.

think what the Roman Empire was like before they took over Christianity.

they were and are power-hungry institutions.

they wanted pagans and Christians co mingle and made it the greatest powerful religion.

Don't be so blind just because they know what you want to hear.

True followers are not attracted to popular religion because their loyalty belongs to the Father and Jesus.

 

[Mr GLee]

We don't find a Hebrew word "God" in the Hebrew Scripture. And yet we use the word in English to identify words like "Elohim" "Adonai" "YHWH" "Eloah" and "El."

Yes, God has many attributes as names . He magnifies sola scriptura above them all .

 

[Eleanor]

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. KJV

So those that believe the preaching of the cross are saved because it pleased God to save those that believe the preaching of the cross.

Salvation is one package of
1) past - through faith
2) present - sanctification
3) future - glorified body of resurrection (completion)

 

[atpollard]

"God" in Genesis 1:1 is PLURAL [in Hebrew] ... a hint coming out of the gate?

 

[grace2]

"God" in Genesis 1:1 is PLURAL [in Hebrew] ... a hint coming out of the gate?

Genesis 1:1

New International Version

The Beginning​

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

there is no plural.

why do you lie?

 

[jeremiah1five]

Your information all came from your mother church Roman Empire.

think what the Roman Empire was like before they took over Christianity.

they were and are power-hungry institutions.

they wanted pagans and Christians co mingle and made it the greatest powerful religion.

Don't be so blind just because they know what you want to hear.

True followers are not attracted to popular religion because their loyalty belongs to the Father and Jesus.

As I said, the existence of a Trinity of God did not find its fullest expression until the Advent of the Son, Jesus Christ.

This reality came be understood when Jesus claimed to be the Son and proved it by resurrecting from the dead.

Before that it was God and His Spirit.

 

[Mr GLee]

"God" in Genesis 1:1 is PLURAL [in Hebrew] ... a hint coming out of the gate?

Two?

 

[grace2]

As I said, the existence of a Trinity of God did not find its fullest expression until the Advent of the Son, Jesus Christ.

this kind of analysis comes from the Roman Empire institution that made up a false god, the triune god.

All your claims are unbiblical and man-made.

I have debunked all of them already and you are only repeating false claims.

 

[David1701]

this kind of analysis comes from the Roman Empire institution that made up a false god, the triune god.

All your claims are unbiblical and man-made.

I have debunked all of them already and you are only repeating false claims.

The Triune God is the only God there is (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). Any other "god" is an idol and those who follow any other "god" are idolaters, not Christians.

 

[grace2]

The Triune God is the only God there is (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). Any other "god" is an idol and those who follow any other "god" are idolaters, not Christians.

That is the mantra of triune god worshipping churches, not of God.

and it is a lie.

 

[donadams]

If you are worshipping a man-made god, you don't even have a chance to be saved which is that is case with triune god worshippers.

Our holy religion is the only true religion the only source of salvation and revelation by God in christ!
Jn 14:6

 

[grace2]

Our holy religion is the only true religion the only source of salvation and revelation by God in christ!
Jn 14:6

Promoting a false god is not a holy religion.

 

[donadams]

Is christ the king?

 

[atpollard]

there is no plural.

why do you lie?

Genesis 1:1
[Hebrew - read right to left] = בְּרֵאשִׁית בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ׃
[English] = In the beginning God [H430] created the heavens and the earth.

"אֱלֹהִים" = H430 = Hebrew Noun: Common Masculine Plural Absolute = "God"

Strongs [H430]
אֱלֹהִים ʼĕlôhîym, el-o-heem'; plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:—angels

I did not lie. I said the Hebrew word for God in Genesis 1:1 was PLURAL and it is. The singular is H433 (not used in Genesis 1:1).

Here is another:

Deuteronomy 6:4
[Hebrew - read right to left] = "שְׁמַע יִשְׂרָאֵל יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵינוּ יְהוָה אֶחָד׃"
[English] =“Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, [H430] the LORD is one! [H259]"

"אֱלֹהֵינוּ" = H430 = Hebrew Noun: Common Masculine Plural Construct = "God"
"אֶחָד" = H259 = Hebrew Adjective: Cardinal Number Masculine Singular Absolute = One (1)

Deuteronomy 6:4 expresses unity in plurality ... the essence of the doctrine of the Trinity. We just had to wait for Jesus to fill in the details and the end of persecution for men to write down creeds expressing a full understanding of what God had been revealing since Genesis 1:1.

 

[atpollard]

Two?

The exact number is not specified, just "more than one". Exactly the same as the English "Let US make man in OUR image." [Genesis 1:26] specifies "more than one" without an exact number of "US/OUR".

 

[grace2]

Genesis 1:1
[Hebrew - read right to left] = בְּרֵאשִׁית בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ׃
[English] = In the beginning God [H430] created the heavens and the earth.

"אֱלֹהִים" = H430 = Hebrew Noun: Common Masculine Plural Absolute = "God"

Strongs [H430]
אֱלֹהִים ʼĕlôhîym, el-o-heem'; plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:—angels

I did not lie. I said the Hebrew word for God in Genesis 1:1 was PLURAL and it is. The singular is H433 (not used in Genesis 1:1).

Here is another:

Deuteronomy 6:4
[Hebrew - read right to left] = "שְׁמַע יִשְׂרָאֵל יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵינוּ יְהוָה אֶחָד׃"
[English] =“Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, [H430] the LORD is one! [H259]"

"אֱלֹהֵינוּ" = H430 = Hebrew Noun: Common Masculine Plural Construct = "God"
"אֶחָד" = H259 = Hebrew Adjective: Cardinal Number Masculine Singular Absolute = One (1)

Deuteronomy 6:4 expresses unity in plurality ... the essence of the doctrine of the Trinity. We just had to wait for Jesus to fill in the details and the end of persecution for men to write down creeds expressing a full understanding of what God had been revealing since Genesis 1:1.

Your interpretation does not harmonize with Jesus' word as usual.

So it is not of God.