All ISRAEL will be saved

[TonyChanYT]

There are at least three interpretations.

1. The word "all" could be a hyperbole.
2. The phrase "all Israel" means all Jews who are alive at some point in the future will be saved.
3. The word "Israel" means Jewish and Gentile believers.

Romans 11:

1 I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew.

God had not rejected all the Israelites. The Israelites were the original olive tree that God had planted and cultivated. Some branches were broken off due to their rejecting God.

5 So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace.

There was a remnant of Israelites remaining in the olive tree. They had not been broken off.

24 For if you [Roman Gentiles] were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree,

Gentiles were branches cut from a wild olive tree.

and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree,

God grafted the wild olive tree branches into his cultivated original olive tree.

how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.

In the future, the broken Jewish branches will be grafted back in.

26 And in this way all Israel will be saved.

All Israel includes

1. the remnant branch that was never broken off,
2. the Gentile branches that were grafted in, and
3. the broken-off Jewish branches that will be grafted back in.

"All Israel" means all the believers of the LORD who are living branches of God's cultivated olive tree. The root nourishes and supports them (v. 17).

 

[Josheb]

There are at least three interpretations.

1. The word "all" could be a hyperbole.
2. The phrase "all Israel" means all Jews who are alive at some point in the future will be saved.
3. The word "Israel" means Jewish and Gentile believers.

Romans 11:


God had not rejected all the Israelites. The Israelites were the original olive tree that God had planted and cultivated. Some branches were broken off due to their rejecting God.


There was a remnant of Israelites remaining in the olive tree. They had not been broken off.


Gentiles were branches cut from a wild olive tree.


God grafted the wild olive tree branches into his cultivated original olive tree.


In the future, the broken Jewish branches will be grafted back in.


All Israel includes

1. the remnant branch that was never broken off,
2. the Gentile branches that were grafted in, and
3. the broken-off Jewish branches that will be grafted back in.

"All Israel" means all the believers of the LORD who are living branches of God's cultivated olive tree. The root nourishes and supports them (v. 17).

Amen.

Well done, except for Israel is not the tree. Jesus is the tree. Israel is a branch in the tree that is Christ, and the reason branches were removed is because they did not believe in Jesus. Yes, Israel is called a "tree" in scripture, but that's not the same tree and they are not the tree of salvation. That tree is Jesus, and Jesus alone. It's a good op except for that one mistake. I'd add only the fact, "not all Israel is Israel," so in determining what Paul meant by "all Israel will be saved," we would necessarily want to identify and then exclude the Israel that is not Israel. The conclusion is the same, though. There are not Jews or Gentiles in Christ and the "all Israel" to which Paul is referring it those who believe in the name of God's only resurrected Son.

 

[Mr GLee]

Remember not all of Israel is born again Israel the bride of Christ. Some remained under the name or spirit of Jacob (the deceiver) non converted mankind

And in Isiah 62 our unseen head propmised to name Israel a new name a name more befitting to represent the bride of all nations as families of the world when ever two or thre witneses gasther toghter under the hearing of one the Holy Spirit Christ the husband

The father fulfilled his promise in Acts .Calling the bride . . .Christian, a word with no other meaning attached. "residents of the heaven city of Christ. . . . prepared for his bride the church named after her founder and husband Christ.

The word Christian has seemed to have lost meaning and purpose in regard to some doctrine of men. Many even say its a derogatory name like Bible thumpers or Holy Roller fruit cakes . . . coming from the father of lies and surely not from our invisible head .


In that way change the meaning of one word violate the commandment not to Deuteronomy 4:2

Satan's the man of sin. His goal to deceive al the nations of the world that God is a Jewish man as King of kings

Our Holy Father is not a man.

 

[CrowCross]

The phrase "all Israel" means all Jews who are alive at some point in the future will be saved.

When is this time in the future?

(I'm not debating, just asking)

 

[EarlyActs]

There are at least three interpretations.

1. The word "all" could be a hyperbole.
2. The phrase "all Israel" means all Jews who are alive at some point in the future will be saved.
3. The word "Israel" means Jewish and Gentile believers.

Romans 11:


God had not rejected all the Israelites. The Israelites were the original olive tree that God had planted and cultivated. Some branches were broken off due to their rejecting God.


There was a remnant of Israelites remaining in the olive tree. They had not been broken off.


Gentiles were branches cut from a wild olive tree.


God grafted the wild olive tree branches into his cultivated original olive tree.


In the future, the broken Jewish branches will be grafted back in.


All Israel includes

1. the remnant branch that was never broken off,
2. the Gentile branches that were grafted in, and
3. the broken-off Jewish branches that will be grafted back in.

"All Israel" means all the believers of the LORD who are living branches of God's cultivated olive tree. The root nourishes and supports them (v. 17).

The phrase “in this way” is very significant here too.

 

[brightfame52]

The Elect Gentiles were added to the Saints Israel of the Old Covenant, not national israel but the Saints Israel, Paul writes of that here Eph 2:11-19

Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

17 ;And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

It was unto Israel the Saints the Gospel Promises were made Eph 3:6

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Heb 11:40

40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

 

[Eleanor]

There are at least three interpretations.

1. The word "all" could be a hyperbole.
2. The phrase "all Israel" means all Jews who are alive at some point in the future will be saved.
3. The word "Israel" means Jewish and Gentile believers.

Romans 11:


God had not rejected all the Israelites. The Israelites were the original olive tree that God had planted and cultivated. Some branches were broken off due to their rejecting God.


There was a remnant of Israelites remaining in the olive tree. They had not been broken off.


Gentiles were branches cut from a wild olive tree.


God grafted the wild olive tree branches into his cultivated original olive tree.

"IF (not "when") they do not persist in unbelief (Ro 11:23).

In the future, the broken Jewish branches will be grafted back in.

All Israel includes

1. the remnant branch that was never broken off,
2. the Gentile branches that were grafted in, and
3. the broken-off Jewish branches that will be grafted back in.

"All Israel" means all the believers of the LORD who are living branches of God's cultivated olive tree. The root nourishes and supports them (v. 17).

 

[Eleanor]

There are at least three interpretations.

1. The word "all" could be a hyperbole.
2. The phrase "all Israel" means all Jews who are alive at some point in the future will be saved.
3. The word "Israel" means Jewish and Gentile believers.

Romans 11:
God had not rejected all the Israelites. The Israelites were the original olive tree that God had planted and cultivated. Some branches were broken off due to their rejecting God.

There was a remnant of Israelites remaining in the olive tree. They had not been broken off.
Gentiles were branches cut from a wild olive tree.
God grafted the wild olive tree branches into his cultivated original olive tree.
In the future, the broken Jewish branches will be grafted back in.

"IF (not "when") they do not persist in unbelief (Ro 11:23).

All Israel includes

1. the remnant branch that was never broken off,
2. the Gentile branches that were grafted in, and
3. the broken-off Jewish branches that will be grafted back in.

"All Israel" means all the believers of the LORD who are living branches of God's cultivated olive tree. The root nourishes and supports them (v. 17).

 

[Tambora]

There are at least three interpretations.

1. The word "all" could be a hyperbole.
2. The phrase "all Israel" means all Jews who are alive at some point in the future will be saved.
3. The word "Israel" means Jewish and Gentile believers.

Romans 11:


God had not rejected all the Israelites. The Israelites were the original olive tree that God had planted and cultivated. Some branches were broken off due to their rejecting God.


There was a remnant of Israelites remaining in the olive tree. They had not been broken off.


Gentiles were branches cut from a wild olive tree.


God grafted the wild olive tree branches into his cultivated original olive tree.


In the future, the broken Jewish branches will be grafted back in.


All Israel includes

1. the remnant branch that was never broken off,
2. the Gentile branches that were grafted in, and
3. the broken-off Jewish branches that will be grafted back in.

"All Israel" means all the believers of the LORD who are living branches of God's cultivated olive tree. The root nourishes and supports them (v. 17).

I lean towards: 3 - The word "Israel" means Jewish and Gentile believers.
We see so many "types" that those of Israel represented, so why not consider that "Israel" is a "type" also (being the "type" of God's people).
Israel was just a mini-type of how God would save the world.

 

[CrowCross]

The phrase "all Israel" means all Jews who are alive at some point in the future will be saved.

I'm going with this one.

 

[brightfame52]

I lean towards: 3 - The word "Israel" means Jewish and Gentile believers.
We see so many "types" that those of Israel represented, so why not consider that "Israel" is a "type" also (being the "type" of God's people).
Israel was just a mini-type of how God would save the world.

Agreed, All Israel is simply the Church, the Body of Christ, the Israel of God, Abrahams Spiritual seed through Christ Gal 3:29

29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Gal 6:

16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

 

[Eleanor]

I lean towards: 3 - The word "Israel" means Jewish and Gentile believers.
We see so many "types" that those of Israel represented, so why not consider that "Israel" is a "type" also (being the "type" of God's people).
Israel was just a mini-type of how God would save the world.

There is Israel (all Jews) and there is the true Israel (the saved elect, who believe in Jesus Christ, both Jew and Gentile).

 

[Lees]

(Rom. 9:6-7) "Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, in Isaac shall thy seed be called."

(Rom. 9:8-9) "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son."

Paul established at the beginning of (Rom. 9) that he is talking about Israelites. His brethren and kinsmen according to the flesh. (Rom. 9:3) Thus within Israel, you have those who are 'children of the flesh'. They are born of Abraham and of the tribes of Israel, but they are not true Israel. Why? Because 'in Isaac' is the true seed called. The true Israel of God is born of Abraham, born of the tribes of Israel, and a child of promise.

And one day, all of Israel will be the true Israel of God. All will be children of promise. Which will occur when the blindness of Israel is lifted. (Rom. 11:25-26) "...that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved...."

Lees

 

[brightfame52]

(Rom. 9:6-7) "Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, in Isaac shall thy seed be called."

(Rom. 9:8-9) "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son."

Paul established at the beginning of (Rom. 9) that he is talking about Israelites. His brethren and kinsmen according to the flesh. (Rom. 9:3) Thus within Israel, you have those who are 'children of the flesh'. They are born of Abraham and of the tribes of Israel, but they are not true Israel. Why? Because 'in Isaac' is the true seed called. The true Israel of God is born of Abraham, born of the tribes of Israel, and a child of promise.

And one day, all of Israel will be the true Israel of God. All will be children of promise. Which will occur when the blindness of Israel is lifted. (Rom. 11:25-26) "...that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved...."

Lees

You are deceived friend, the all Israel that shall be saved includes Gentiles, the Spiritual Seed of Abraham through Christ, the Church

 

[Lees]

You are deceived friend, the all Israel that shall be saved includes Gentiles, the Spiritual Seed of Abraham through Christ, the Church

I gave plenty of Scripture supporting my view. You have given none. Which has a twofold meaning. 1) you cannot dispute the Scripture I gave. 2) You have no Scripture to support your view.

So...who is deceived?

Lees

 

[brightfame52]

I gave plenty of Scripture supporting my view. You have given none. Which has a twofold meaning. 1) you cannot dispute the Scripture I gave. 2) You have no Scripture to support your view.

So...who is deceived?

Lees

Please See post #6 and 11

 

[EarlyActs]

I gave plenty of Scripture supporting my view. You have given none. Which has a twofold meaning. 1) you cannot dispute the Scripture I gave. 2) You have no Scripture to support your view.

So...who is deceived?

Lees

The olive tree of ch 11 is faith-based ‘stands by faith’, not by race. ( considering all the Jews who have died through the centuries, this should be clear anyway).

But this means the Israel of all Israel is those Jews who believe.

Saved in Romans is never about creatures land anyway; Paul was quoting Isaiah in a fulfilled sense in his time; the Redeemer came to Zion and took away sins.

The ‘Kai houtos’ (in this manner) refers to the faith-based manner, not the race, which of course is only some of the Jews, The remnant illustrated in the first 3 verses of 11.

This is why the crescendo is not ‘all Israel will be saved’ but v30 that God has bound all in sin, so that he might mercy on them all—who believe of course. Some Jews will be saved bc of the patriarchs but it’s few, v14. So this Israel is new and is both peoples as the NT letters say repeatedly.

In light of that mercy, 12:1, the Christian community is the temple and its lives are living sacrifices in that new temple.

 

[Lees]

Please See post #6 and 11

I did. Which is why I presented post #(13). Again, refute the Scripture I gave in post #(13). Then ask yourself, who is deceived?

Lees

 

[makesends]

There are at least three interpretations.

1. The word "all" could be a hyperbole.
2. The phrase "all Israel" means all Jews who are alive at some point in the future will be saved.
3. The word "Israel" means Jewish and Gentile believers.

Romans 11:


God had not rejected all the Israelites. The Israelites were the original olive tree that God had planted and cultivated. Some branches were broken off due to their rejecting God.


There was a remnant of Israelites remaining in the olive tree. They had not been broken off.


Gentiles were branches cut from a wild olive tree.


God grafted the wild olive tree branches into his cultivated original olive tree.


In the future, the broken Jewish branches will be grafted back in.

This is not a logical conclusion. At best, he is saying that it would be possible to graft them back in, but I don't think he is even saying that. He's only explaining that by design, they are 'adept', shall we say, to the application.

It is like saying that a person that has studied scripture all his life, upon finally being regenerated, has his eyes opened quite a bit wider, the things he has studied finally making sense, compared to one who has never read the Bible.

All Israel includes

1. the remnant branch that was never broken off,
2. the Gentile branches that were grafted in, and
3. the broken-off Jewish branches that will be grafted back in.

Again, I don't see "will be grafted back in" warranted by the text. Perhaps you can show it, though. Here you only assert it is what is being said. I disagree.

"All Israel" means all the believers of the LORD who are living branches of God's cultivated olive tree. The root nourishes and supports them (v. 17).

Agreed.

 

[makesends]

"IF (not "when") they do not persist in unbelief (Ro 11:23).

Right!

Logic!