🛑 Stop Affirming “Libertarian Free Will” It’s a Bait-and-Switch Heresy:

[SoteriologyA1]

If you're committed to a biblically consistent view of reality, it's time to drop the phrase "Libertarian free Will" like a hot heresy. Why? Because it's not just bad theology—it’s a sneaky, misleading label designed for confusion.

Let’s break it down:

“Libertarian free Will” is not about the Person—it’s isolating the Will from everything else that makes you, You. Your character. Your personality. Your desires. Your nature. This phrase pits "Will" against the very things that determine how the will functions.

Provisionists love this trick. They use it to suggest that “freedom” means Will can choose against Your own nature, desires, and character—as if Will floats in a vacuum, free from even You, and definitely free from God's determined reality. That’s not just unbiblical. That’s nonsense.

Nobody—including God—has that kind of "Will".

God’s will is not “free” to act in contradiction to His own character, personality, preferences, or nature. That’s not a limitation—it’s consistency. Holiness isn’t random.

Adam pre-Fall didn’t have a “Will” that was pitted against every other thing that made Adam who Adam was.

Even a sinner today chooses based on what they want most in the moment—which is always in line with their nature, preferences, and character.

So here's the deal:

If someone wants to say we are “Free Person”, in refrence to other Created "Free Persons"—fine. That at least acknowledges the person is “free” from being externally forced by other created beings. But the will itself? It’s never independent of the person it belongs to. And the person is never independent of God's determined reality. So stop acting like it is. Stop giving "Libertarian Free Will" a platform.

The real issue isn’t “can we choose?” It’s why we choose what we do. And Scripture is clear: “The heart is deceitful above all things” (Jer. 17:9), and the unregenerate mind “cannot submit to God” (Rom. 8:7-8).

So let’s call it what it is: Libertarian free Will is a label that exists only to smuggle in irrationality. It’s theological make-believe that lets people pretend they’re upholding “freedom” while ignoring God's sovereignty AND HUMAN NATURE.

Bottom line? Don't affirm that phrase. Expose it. Correct it. Replace it.

Because a “Will” that’s free from everything, including God and your own nature, is a lie—and a heretical one at that.

Let’s put "Will" back in its proper place—as the result of a chain of reasoning, NOT above the chain pretending to create it out of nothing like a god it never was.

 

[David1701]

If you're committed to a biblically consistent view of reality, it's time to drop the phrase "Libertarian free Will" like a hot heresy. Why? Because it's not just bad theology—it’s a sneaky, misleading label designed for confusion.

Let’s break it down:

“Libertarian free Will” is not about the Person—it’s isolating the Will from everything else that makes you, You. Your character. Your personality. Your desires. Your nature. This phrase pits "Will" against the very things that determine how the will functions.

Provisionists love this trick. They use it to suggest that “freedom” means Will can choose against Your own nature, desires, and character—as if Will floats in a vacuum, free from even You, and definitely free from God's determined reality. That’s not just unbiblical. That’s nonsense.

Nobody—including God—has that kind of "Will".

God’s will is not “free” to act in contradiction to His own character, personality, preferences, or nature. That’s not a limitation—it’s consistency. Holiness isn’t random.

Adam pre-Fall didn’t have a “Will” that was pitted against every other thing that made Adam who Adam was.

Even a sinner today chooses based on what they want most in the moment—which is always in line with their nature, preferences, and character.

So here's the deal:

If someone wants to say we are “Free Person”, in refrence to other Created "Free Persons"—fine. That at least acknowledges the person is “free” from being externally forced by other created beings. But the will itself? It’s never independent of the person it belongs to. And the person is never independent of God's determined reality. So stop acting like it is. Stop giving "Libertarian Free Will" a platform.

The real issue isn’t “can we choose?” It’s why we choose what we do. And Scripture is clear: “The heart is deceitful above all things” (Jer. 17:9), and the unregenerate mind “cannot submit to God” (Rom. 8:7-8).

So let’s call it what it is: Libertarian free Will is a label that exists only to smuggle in irrationality. It’s theological make-believe that lets people pretend they’re upholding “freedom” while ignoring God's sovereignty AND HUMAN NATURE.

Bottom line? Don't affirm that phrase. Expose it. Correct it. Replace it.

Because a “Will” that’s free from everything, including God and your own nature, is a lie—and a heretical one at that.

Let’s put "Will" back in its proper place—as the result of a chain of reasoning, NOT above the chain pretending to create it out of nothing like a god it never was.

Amen!

The will is a slave to desire (you only ever do what you want to do, even if it's unpleasant) and desire is a slave to our nature. Our will is a slave of a slave; it could hardly be any less free (referring to a person's inner life, not external coercion).

 

[Eleanor]

If you're committed to a biblically consistent view of reality, it's time to drop the phrase "Libertarian free Will" like a hot heresy. Why? Because it's not just bad theology—it’s a sneaky, misleading label designed for confusion.
Let’s break it down:
“Libertarian free Will” is not about the Person—it’s isolating the Will from everything else that makes you, You. Your character. Your personality. Your desires. Your nature. This phrase pits "Will" against the very things that determine how the will functions.
Provisionists love this trick. They use it to suggest that “freedom” means Will can choose against Your own nature, desires, and character—as if Will floats in a vacuum, free from even You, and definitely free from God's determined reality. That’s not just unbiblical. That’s nonsense.

Nobody—including God—has that kind of "Will".

God’s will is not “free” to act in contradiction to His own character, personality, preferences, or nature. That’s not a limitation—it’s consistency. Holiness isn’t random.

Adam pre-Fall didn’t have a “Will” that was pitted against every other thing that made Adam who Adam was.

Even a sinner today chooses based on what they want most in the moment—which is always in line with their nature, preferences, and character.

So here's the deal:

If someone wants to say we are “Free Person”, in refrence to other Created "Free Persons"—fine. That at least acknowledges the person is “free” from being externally forced by other created beings. But the will itself? It’s never independent of the person it belongs to. And the person is never independent of God's determined reality. So stop acting like it is. Stop giving "Libertarian Free Will" a platform.

The real issue isn’t “can we choose?” It’s why we choose what we do. And Scripture is clear: “The heart is deceitful above all things” (Jer. 17:9), and the unregenerate mind “cannot submit to God” (Rom. 8:7-8).

So let’s call it what it is: Libertarian free Will is a label that exists only to smuggle in irrationality. It’s theological make-believe that lets people pretend they’re upholding “freedom” while ignoring God's sovereignty AND HUMAN NATURE.

Bottom line? Don't affirm that phrase. Expose it. Correct it. Replace it.

Because a “Will” that’s free from everything, including God and your own nature, is a lie—and a heretical one at that.

Let’s put "Will" back in its proper place—as the result of a chain of reasoning, NOT above the chain pretending to create it out of nothing like a god it never was.

The will does not operate in a vacuum.

It is governed by the dispositon.