Without an Excuse 😶

[ReverendRV]

No one has an Excuse to not be Saved, so it's a Fallacy for the Lost to think they have a reason to not Believe. Since they are without Excuse, no one can say "God why did YOU make me this way, a Reprobate??". Since no one can say this, Provisionists should stop assuming Calvinists include Unconditional Election as part of the Saving knowledge of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Saying God made us Elect or Reprobate, is the same as saying God made some Vessels for Honor and some for Dishonor. Complaining about God making you a Reprobate violates the Verse that teaches it's wrong to complain about God giving some over to Reprobate Minds they already have...

 

[PeanutGallery]

No one has an Excuse to not be Saved, ...

If Christ did not die for their sins, then they have an excuse.

 

[ReverendRV]

If Christ did not die for their sins, then they have an excuse.

That's the Logic I am using in my OP. The Bible says they are without an Excuse, so there IS a Potential Christ died for their Sins, or they're WITH an Excuse. Also, it's not an Excuse they may be Reprobate; so why try? There is a Real Potential that everyone who hears the Gospel is Elect...

The Parable of the Sower teaches that if the Reprobate will Believe the Gospel, they would be Saved. Now this is REAL Potential that Christ died for All...

 

[PeanutGallery]

... Now this is REAL Potential that Christ died for All...

Are you saying TULIP's Limited Atonement is false?

 

[ReverendRV]

Are you saying TULIP's Limited Atonement is false?

Not at all, I'm a 5-Point Calvinist...

 

[PeanutGallery]

That's the Logic I am using in my OP. The Bible says they are without an Excuse, so there IS a Potential Christ died for their Sins, or they're WITH an Excuse. Also, it's not an Excuse they may be Reprobate; so why try? There is a Real Potential that everyone who hears the Gospel is Elect...

The Parable of the Sower teaches that if the Reprobate will Believe the Gospel, they would be Saved. Now this is REAL Potential that Christ died for All...

Are you saying TULIP's Limited Atonement is false?

Not at all, I'm a 5-Point Calvinist...

How can there be a "Real Potential that Christ died for All" if Christ did not really die for All?

 

[ReverendRV]

Are you saying TULIP's Limited Atonement is false?

How can there be a "Real Potential that Christ died for All" if Christ did not really die for All?

The potential exists because Jesus Kept both the Edenic Covenant and the Mosaic Covenant. The Mosaic Covenant came with Promise, the Edenic Covenant came only with a Curse. All people are part of the Edenic Covenant, but only Israel is a part of the Mosaic Covenant. If a person who is not a part of the Mosaic Covenant converted to Judaism, they became part of it. Jesus said if the "Trodden Soil / Reprobate who are under the Edenic Covenant" Believed, he would have to Save them. This is why the Potential exists, although the Promises are only for Spiritual Israel...

 

[PeanutGallery]

The potential exists because Jesus Kept both the Edenic Covenant and the Mosaic Covenant. The Mosaic Covenant came with Promise, the Edenic Covenant came only with a Curse. All people are part of the Edenic Covenant, but only Israel is a part of the Mosaic Covenant. If a person who is not a part of the Mosaic Covenant converted to Judaism, they became part of it. Jesus said if the "Trodden Soil / Reprobate under the Old Covenant" Believed, he would have to Save them. This is why the Potential exists, although the Promises are only for Spiritual Israel...

How does one for whom Christ did not die become part of Spiritual Israel?

 

[ReverendRV]

How does one for whom Christ did not die become part of Spiritual Israel?

They don't, Spiritual Israel is Unconditionally Elected...

Just as Physical Israel was Unconditionally Chosen...

 

[PeanutGallery]

How does one for whom Christ did not die become part of Spiritual Israel?

They don't, Spiritual Israel is Unconditionally Elected...

Just as Physical Israel was Unconditionally Chosen...

For those for whom Christ died is not "Potential" but a 'Certainty'?

 

[donadams]

No one has an Excuse to not be Saved, so it's a Fallacy for the Lost to think they have a reason to not Believe. Since they are without Excuse, no one can say "God why did YOU make me this way, a Reprobate??". Since no one can say this, Provisionists should stop assuming Calvinists include Unconditional Election as part of the Saving knowledge of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Saying God made us Elect or Reprobate, is the same as saying God made some Vessels for Honor and some for Dishonor. Complaining about God making you a Reprobate violates the Verse that teaches it's wrong to complain about God giving some over to Reprobate Minds they already have...

Is pride, presumption, and arrogance sins?

 

[ReverendRV]

Is pride, presumption, and arrogance sins?

https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/is-anyone-interested-in-having-a-moderated-debate.1356/post-53951

 

[David1701]

If Christ did not die for their sins, then they have an excuse.

No, they do not have an excuse - no-one has. Everyone is accountable to live according to God's law and/or conscience and, if they do not repent and believe in Jesus Christ, that is the basis on which they will be judged - justly.

 

[PeanutGallery]

No, they do not have an excuse - no-one has. Everyone is accountable to live according to God's law and/or conscience and, if they do not repent and believe in Jesus Christ, that is the basis on which they will be judged - justly.

If Christ did not die for their sins, they have no recourse even though they repent and believe in Jesus Christ.

 

[David1701]

If Christ did not die for their sins, they have no recourse even though they repent and believe in Jesus Christ.

If Christ did not die for their sins, they are still obligated to keep God's law, and/or their conscience and they will be under a works righteousness regime.

Also, everyone should trust in Christ, because he is the Son of God and worthy of our trust, whether he died for them or not.

 

[PeanutGallery]

If Christ did not die for their sins, they are still obligated to keep God's law, and/or their conscience and they will be under a works righteousness regime.

Also, everyone should trust in Christ, because he is the Son of God and worthy of our trust, whether he died for them or not.

What hope is there for those for whom Christ did not die, even though they trusted in Christ, the Son of God?

 

[David1701]

What hope is there for those for whom Christ did not die, even though they trusted in Christ, the Son of God?

They won't trust in Christ, so there is no hope for them.

 

[Ladodgers6]

If Christ did not die for their sins, then they have an excuse.

Christ died for those whom the Father gave to him to save. If Christ did die for the sins of everyone, then everyone is saved! Christ death is effectual in its purpose, it's not left up to random chance. God has designed a Plan of Redemption and made a Covenant, an Oath, a Promise, he gave his word, that he WILL do in his Son to redeem his people from their sins and liberate them and lead them out of bondage.

This is why I am not an Arminian/Synergist anymore because this position has a lofty view of fallen man. Their salvation lies not in God's hands but in fallen man's hands. They still think they are able to do, what Adam lost in the Garden Temple. They believe they can build a tower to reach God and enter heaven. Over and over Scripture depicts the failure of mankind; the disobedient rebellion of Adam's sons and daughters toss out of the Garden Temple and exiled. Alienated from God and sworn enemies that needs a Mediator with a blood sacrifice for the offense.

To place trust or faith in your response or action for a subjective experience is a delusion. One that Satan revels in to convince the blind and deaf that they are the worthy ones! Pride like the Pharisees who give tithes, fast, and pray. Think they are better than everyone and they are not like the tax collector and such like them, sinners, the undeserving. But I am deserving, I am worthy because I am a holy and good person.

The Proclamation of the Gospel is a calling to the undeserving ungodly sinners who need grace and mercy because they know they are wretched sinners, liars, adulterers, murderers, tax collectors. They come because they hear his voice and follow.​

 

[Synergy]

If Christ did not die for their sins, they are still obligated to keep God's law, and/or their conscience and they will be under a works righteousness regime.

Also, everyone should trust in Christ, because he is the Son of God and worthy of our trust, whether he died for them or not.

Tell us more about your "works righteousness regime".

 

[PeanutGallery]

... If Christ did die for the sins of everyone, then everyone is saved! ...​

No one was saved when Christ died for sins; God saves those who believe.

1John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1Cor 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.