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Why Did God Plan for the Fall of Man?

I'm wondering if in your definition foreknowledge should only be applied to believers. iow taking your statement I would add on the end "for the believer". I say this because predestination is based on God's foreknowledge and predestination is only applied to believers.

What say you?

Foreknowledge is simply an ability of God.

Read the book of Revelation concerning unbelievers. That is foreknowledge given by God.

God's foreknowledge gets converted into prophecy when He delegates certain men to express His foreknowledge as He portions it out.
 
How do we go private here?
Start a "private conversation" by clicking on a guy's name. You can add others to discussion too after that.
 
Start a "private conversation" by clicking on a guy's name. You can add others to discussion too after that.
All I get is Follow and Ignore.
 
All I get is Follow and Ignore.
I sent you a test conversation.
If it's not working for you then either you're doing it wrong or somehow you're working with a different setting so speak to Carbon
 
How do we go private here?
"Conversation". I thought it was "post to profile", but that was obviously public, so....
 
I get the same thing. Even if I click again on the name within the window, I still only make an entry to their profile which is public
@GeneZ

At the top right side of this page, next to your name, see the envelope and the bell. Click on the envelope, and the little dropdown has at the bottom, "show all" and "start a conversation". Click on "start a conversation".
 
@GeneZ

At the top right side of this page, next to your name, see the envelope and the bell. Click on the envelope, and the little dropdown has at the bottom, "show all" and "start a conversation". Click on "start a conversation".
That shows me what conversations I have but I still can't see where I can start a new one. It only says "show all" for me.
 
Gee... that's not much of a definition. The first part is not possible and therefore of no consequence and the second part is not logically possible as God is immutable. That doesn't leave us with much.
It was an answer though .. 😊

Got to type fast... on a ship with lousy internet.
I wouldn't have known sin to be such a horror except in the fact that it opposes God. I suppose Satan to be the first, and, furthermore, the only one with his ability to govern spirits for evil, as permitted by God (for God's purposes); I take Satan therefore to be the author of it, yet, as caused by God.

Btw, thanks for the PM, and I can sympathize. But I try, as much as I reasonably can, to work with what I think people mean, when they say a thing, instead of always fighting over the definition. I do, often, try to correct terminology and uses of words when I see a word taking what someone meant and sloughing it into confusion. (We humans do have a way of letting our own words, even when carefully chosen, influence what we think.)

Hamartiology is a very interesting subject. I find sin to be different from anything else, and knowing that God cannot be injured by anything from outside himself, somehow doesn't change the fact that sin bruised his heel. And I have ideas, but I don't know what that means. A lot of speculation there. For something purportedly a non-thing, sin is described in the Bible in a couple of places, as something almost of its own person, "...sin crouches at your door. It desires to have you..."; "He became sin for us." But I expect the explanation will be simpler and deeper than we can know at present.
 
That shows me what conversations I have but I still can't see where I can start a new one. It only says "show all" for me.
Hmmm. Maybe someone has to start one with you first. I don't know.
 
If I click on "show all" a page comes up with "start conversation" near the top, on the right side.
 
Hamartiology is a very interesting subject. I find sin to be different from anything else, and knowing that God cannot be injured by anything from outside himself, somehow doesn't change the fact that sin bruised his heel.
"Bruised his heel" could refer to his human nature and then "knowing God cannot be injured" (Job 35-7-8) would fit IMO.
And I have ideas
Yeah ... I love your ideas (and they usually reflect mine which soothes my ego).
For something purportedly a non-thing, sin is described in the Bible in a couple of places, as something almost of its own person, "...sin crouches at your door. It desires to have you..."; "He became sin for us." But I expect the explanation will be simpler and deeper than we can know at present.
Well, we agree that sin is not a thing. The quotes could be anthropomorphisms.
I read something to the effect that everything God says is an anthropomorphism because were so stupid. *giggle*
 
@GeneZ

At the top right side of this page, next to your name, see the envelope and the bell. Click on the envelope, and the little dropdown has at the bottom, "show all" and "start a conversation". Click on "start a conversation".
I only get "Show All."
 
Exactly. THAT is the essence of God's IMMANENCE. I'm curious how @Josheb sees that attribute.

I would not be very surprised, though very pleased, to find out that the smallest particle or base essence of matter and energy is in fact, something very physical of God, such as, for example, the Love of God. That would answer a whole LOT of questions.
Relevance to this op?

(After providing relevance) Define "immanence" as you mean it to be used in this conversation.
 
Does Rule 3 say that people in a thread that go off topic are breaking the rules and need to be censored? Or does it not say that?

Maybe you are interpreting the rule to substantiate your own biases?

In any case, you answered me, but you didn't address my points directly, so I think it would be worthless to continue this exchange with you. You also made lots of grammatical errors in your English usage. As far as GeneZ goes, how do you know this person is in the UK and has bad English?
Dave, I have asked you three times to explain how your inquiry is relevant and on each occasion not such explanation was provided and the exchange gets further and further and further from the topic of discussion. Now I am the topic of your posts, and not why did God plan for the fall of man. It's now being suggested I am biased, any exchange with me would be worthless, and lack good grammar - not a single aspect of which has anything to do with why God planned for the fall.
In any case, you answered me, but you didn't address my points directly...
...and I am still waiting for the explanation pertaining to its relevance.
 
Its called Ellipsis.
No, it is not. Ellipsis uses complete sentences and questions, and uses grammar correctly. These posts do not. Are you posting with a cell or a tablet?
 
And, by the way.

God did plan for the fall of man.

Look at all the results we are finding in this thread! :)
 
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