Who and what is the antichrist?

[Mr GLee]

Yes, there were.

What were the sign we are to seek after?.

Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.

Satan is nt the antichrist. That view was decisively addressed and soundly refuted earlier in the thread. Satan does NOT meet John's specified criteria

Of course legion is the spirit of lies as false prophecy the spirit of the antichrist who works in antichrists deceived humans .
satin would make it all one and the same thing

Are you waiting for one to come?

John2: 18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

No.

Then how many does the word antichrsts (plural) mean?

The antichrist John's readers expected was a person living during their era and while it is logically possible that person was possessed by one or many demons, scripture silent on that matter. Whether possessed or not, the man was sinful and thereby just as dead and enslaved as Satan.

Its not how many demons are used to deceive .Its It one demons named legion that works to deceive in many Mathew 16 using Peter to display the the lying signs to wonder after (Peter as the key that the gates of hell could never prevail against) , and not the gospel. the antichrist (one) at work usurping the Power of our Holy Father and deceiving al false prophets as false apostles

Luke 8:30 And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.

How many? as many as needed to deceive mankind














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[Brakelite]

The antichrist is exactly what the bible and John show us it is.

The antichrist isn’t a counterfeit it’s an opposite it’s anti.

You are confusing the sea beast and the antichrist they are named different and given different names in the bible

1 John 2:18
18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22
22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

2 John 1:7
I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

In Johns day as shown in Johns gospel the perfect example of the antichrist was the spirit behind apostate Israel who denied that Jesus came from God

Two things. Many individuals and/or nations and powers are given different names in scripture. The Devil, Satan, dragon, Lucifer.
Jesus, Lord, God, Messiah and numerous more.
Antichrist is no different. Different names describe different aspects of the character of the one named. Each different name gives us a broader understanding of who we are dealing with. Little horn explains the roots and circumstances of his beginning and details of his secularlife. The man of sin or son of perdition gives us further details by which to identify him. The word Antichrist and the description John offers explains still further his character and religious purpose. There is good reason the scriptures have done this. That we may not make a mistake when the time comes when he needs to be identified. The world was in grave peril of being overcome by apostate Rome during the dark ages, but the time came that God put a stop to their designs and revealed to the reformers who and what the papacy really was. They didn't call the papacy Antichrist by accident, or by malice. And the leopard hasn't changed its spots, and never will.

Second thing. by being a counterfeit He is opposing. It's his method of opposing Christ by deceiving and misleading Christ's people.

 

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Second thing. by being a counterfeit He is opposing

The Antichrist was a "false christ", which is what Christ Jesus called those who were coming in His own generation to attempt deceiving people to follow them.

This prediction of "false christs" is definitely limited to a particular time in history - namely, the fulfillment of Daniel 9:25's prophesied Messiah the Prince (Messiah being interpreted as The Christ). This prophecy in Daniel was dedicated to a very specific time in history. Messiah the Prince was prophesied to come in a particular year - at the beginning of Daniel's 70th week, which calculates to the year AD 30 from when the decree was given by Artaxerxes I in 454 BC to restore Jerusalem. The Pharisees were well aware of this specific AD 30 year, which is why they sent a delegation to John the Baptist, asking him if he was the one prophesied to come.

That particular AD 30 year pointed directly to Jesus Christ beginning His miraculous public ministry in Israel. When Jesus was ultimately rejected by His own generation of fellow-Jews as being that Christ come in the flesh, they immediately went about trying to substitute a counterfeit, "false christ" who would fulfill that Daniel prophecy of the coming Messiah the Prince. This had to be as close as possible to that AD 30 year, or their deception would have been obvious to all the ethnic Jews who knew their Daniel scriptures.

The phenomenon of the many "antichrists" or "false christs" and the single "The Antichrist" was a first-century deception for the gullible who wanted to be delivered from the Roman control of their nation. It is a mistake to extend this "antichrist" expectancy to a period thousands of years down the road from that AD 30 prophecy year, since that wouldn't even be remotely connected to the predicted AD 30 year.

 

[Marty]

Two things. Many individuals and/or nations and powers are given different names in scripture. The Devil, Satan, dragon, Lucifer.
Jesus, Lord, God, Messiah and numerous more.
Antichrist is no different. Different names describe different aspects of the character of the one named. Each different name gives us a broader understanding of who we are dealing with. Little horn explains the roots and circumstances of his beginning and details of his secularlife. The man of sin or son of perdition gives us further details by which to identify him. The word Antichrist and the description John offers explains still further his character and religious purpose. There is good reason the scriptures have done this. That we may not make a mistake when the time comes when he needs to be identified. The world was in grave peril of being overcome by apostate Rome during the dark ages, but the time came that God put a stop to their designs and revealed to the reformers who and what the papacy really was. They didn't call the papacy Antichrist by accident, or by malice. And the leopard hasn't changed its spots, and never will.

Second thing. by being a counterfeit He is opposing. It's his method of opposing Christ by deceiving and misleading Christ's people.

Or why couldn’t satan have an influencing demon over diverting people away from Jesus and another influencing people to persecute the church?

 

[Brakelite]

The Antichrist was a "false christ", which is what Christ Jesus called those who were coming in His own generation to attempt deceiving people to follow them.

This prediction of "false christs" is definitely limited to a particular time in history - namely, the fulfillment of Daniel 9:25's prophesied Messiah the Prince (Messiah being interpreted as The Christ). This prophecy in Daniel was dedicated to a very specific time in history. Messiah the Prince was prophesied to come in a particular year - at the beginning of Daniel's 70th week, which calculates to the year AD 30 from when the decree was given by Artaxerxes I in 454 BC to restore Jerusalem. The Pharisees were well aware of this specific AD 30 year, which is why they sent a delegation to John the Baptist, asking him if he was the one prophesied to come.

That particular AD 30 year pointed directly to Jesus Christ beginning His miraculous public ministry in Israel. When Jesus was ultimately rejected by His own generation of fellow-Jews as being that Christ come in the flesh, they immediately went about trying to substitute a counterfeit, "false christ" who would fulfill that Daniel prophecy of the coming Messiah the Prince. This had to be as close as possible to that AD 30 year, or their deception would have been obvious to all the ethnic Jews who knew their Daniel scriptures.

The phenomenon of the many "antichrists" or "false christs" and the single "The Antichrist" was a first-century deception for the gullible who wanted to be delivered from the Roman control of their nation. It is a mistake to extend this "antichrist" expectancy to a period thousands of years down the road from that AD 30 prophecy year, since that wouldn't even be remotely connected to the predicted AD 30 year.

Mmmm. So did God not know there was going to be 2000 years of church history ahead of the prophets? Who was John talking about then when he wrote his letters so long after Christ was gone? Who was Paul referring to when he mentioned the "man of sin", and the one who was to "stand in the temple of God (the church) showing himself that he was God?".

 

[Brakelite]

Or why couldn’t satan have an influencing demon over diverting people away from Jesus and another influencing people to persecute the church?

Because there is and was a single entity that completely fulfilled every criteria required for a positive biblical and overwhelming true identification of the Antichrist.

 

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Mmmm. So did God not know there was going to be 2000 years of church history ahead of the prophets?

I'm afraid I don't really understand your reasoning behind this question...

Who was John talking about then when he wrote his letters so long after Christ was gone?

John wrote about the many antichrists who had gone out from among those he was writing to. He was referring to a then-present plague of many antichrists in the "last hour" before the power of the holy people was going to be shattered in the AD 70 destruction of Jerusalem. The single "The Antichrist" was going to emerge from among that group of "many antichrists" and come into power by "exalting himself" over the rest of them.

Who was Paul referring to when he mentioned the "man of sin", and the one who was to "stand in the temple of God (the church) showing himself that he was God?".

Paul was referring to the "mystery of iniquity" which was "already working" in his days. This was the Zealot cause in Israel which had been growing increasingly violent in Israel ever since Christ's days on earth. The "Man of Lawlessness" was a Zealot leader named Menahem, (son or grandson of yet another Zealot leader Judas the Galilean from Acts 5:37. This earned Menahem the title "son of destruction", since Menahem was only following in his family's footsteps who were violent Zealot fanatics before him.)

Menahem was recorded by Josephus as coming to Jerusalem in AD 66 "in the state of a king". He entered the Jerusalem temple to worship "in a pompous manner" with all his armored followers, wearing all of King Herod's royal robes of state which he had stolen from Masada. This was an obvious claim of presenting himself as the "King of the Jews", which title belonged only to Christ Jesus. Menahem was murdered soon after by another Zealot rival over whom Menahem had "exalted himself". His attempt to become Daniel's prophesied "Messiah the Prince" was destroyed, but he was the first who actually got into the temple, showing himself as being that predicted Messiah the Christ.

 

[Marty]

Because there is and was a single entity that completely fulfilled every criteria required for a positive biblical and overwhelming true identification of the Antichrist.

But John describes the beast and the antichrist differently and besides even naming them different he also gives them a different purpose.

He also gives the beast a destructing end but not the antichrist.

1 John 2:22
22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.

According to John in the verse above the antichrist is more than one and still active in this world. It couldn't be fully completed in the past

 

[Mr GLee]

John wrote about the many antichrists who had gone out from among those he was writing to. He was referring to a then-present plague of many antichrists in the "last hour" before the power of the holy people was going to be shattered in the AD 70 destruction of Jerusalem. The single "The Antichrist" was going to emerge from among that group of "many antichrists" and come into power by "exalting himself" over the rest of them.

There is no prophecy that pointed to 70 AD. that men night wonder after .No sign was given to wonder after. . not one. .

When Jesus walked out for the last time of the abomination of desolation temples made with the dying hands as a will of dying mankind. He declared it desolate is desolate (the mark of his word what he says comes to pass. Not will be when a few rock fall. The literalist walking by sight the temporal dying things of this world

Believers have prophecy (sola scriptura) sealed till the end of time

Antichrist singular. Satan another teaching authority other than all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura)

Satan ( "to obstruct" or "to oppose) one of the many attributes of the devil, the father of lies, lucifer , the evil one. Beelzebub (lord of the flies) etc

2 Corinthians 4:3-5King James Version3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

Anti- christ's (legion) . . those deceived and led by the father of lies . Simply false apostles sent with false prophecy .Not a sign to seek and wonder after. Rather than prophecy.

The same lying spirit of anti-christ (Satan) that worked in worked in Eve .Adding to the word (thou shall not touch ) Therefore violating the warning not to add or subtract from the perfect .

Adam believed the false prophecy when Eve touched and did not die Adam who was to protect Eve from the father of lies (false prophecy) was also deceived in the same transgression

Not even one word. . it can change all the commandments by usurping the one author and finisher of our new born again faith . Spiritual plagiarism in violation the first commandment

Deuteronomy 4: 2 Ye shall not add unto the word (singular ) which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it,(singular ) that ye may keep the commandments (plural) of the Lord your God which I command you.

 

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There is no prophecy that pointed to 70 AD. that men night wonder after .No sign was given to wonder after. . not one. .

This is not true. At all.

Christ gave a laundry list of signs for the disciples to watch for in Luke 21, so that they would be aware of the right time to flee
from Judea and Jerusalem and head to the mountains to escape the plagues coming in the "days of vengeance". These plagues and Christ's return were all predicted to happen before some of those He spoke to in that generation had died (Matthew 16:27-28).

"...what SIGN will there be when these things shall come to pass?" the disciples asked Him. None of the wicked understood those signs. The ability was not given to them to understand those signs, anymore than they understood the parables. But the righteous did understand those signs (Daniel 12:10), and that is why Paul wrote to the Thessalonian believers that they were not in darkness as the wicked were, so that the day of destruction and Christ's coming would catch them unawares like a thief in the night (1 Thess. 5:1-4)

At Christ's bodily return, there would also appear "the SIGN of the Son of Man in heaven" (Matt. 24:30), which was the appearance of the new moon which dictated the beginning date of Passover and of Pentecost 50 days later (the day of Christ's return in AD 70). This appearance of the new moon was emphasized in the OT to alert the post-exilic return Israelites to worship at the eastern gate of the temple in Jerusalem which was always reserved exclusively for the "Prince" (Ezekiel 46:1-3). Worshipping in the new moon and the Sabbaths at that eastern gate in Jerusalem was a SIGN predicting both the timing and the location of Jesus Christ's return to the Mount of Olives just opposite from that eastern gate. Paul wrote in Colossians 2:16-17 that those Sabbaths and new moons were "a shadow of things about to come" in his own generation for the believers. Hint: these "shadows" were a sign that prefigured the actual events that were coming in real time in those days.

Adam believed the false prophecy when Eve touched and did not die Adam who was to protect Eve from the father of lies (false prophecy) was also deceived in the same transgression

You have this backwards. "And Adam was NOT deceived..." 1 Timothy 2:14 tells us. Adam sinned with full knowledge of what he was doing. You are directly contradicting the scriptures here.

The same lying spirit of anti-christ (Satan) that worked in worked in Eve

You are also falling prey to error again here. The many antichrists were human men with a human spirit that denied that the prophesied Messiah Christ was Jesus who had already come in the flesh (2 John 7). The demons never denied this, nor Satan either. They were well aware of who the incarnate Christ was and made public proclamations of knowing this.

Eve never once said she denied that Christ had come in the flesh, because the Messiah Christ had not even been born yet as the promised One of her descendants. Your timing is waaaaaaay off in identifying The Antichrist or even the many antichrists. These many antichrists or "false christs" were to show up in Christ's days, denying that Jesus was the fulfillment of Daniel's (and God's promise to Eve) Messiah prophecy.

Satan was not The Antichrist individual who was coming in the first-century days. Satan had always been around since Creation week.

 

[CrowCross]

But John describes the beast and the antichrist differently and besides even naming them different he also gives them a different purpose.

Satans false trinity.

 

[Mr GLee]

Christ gave a laundry list of signs for the disciples to watch for in Luke 21, so that they would be aware of the right time to flee
from Judea and Jerusalem and head to the mountains to escape the plagues coming in the "days of vengeance". These plagues and Christ's return were all predicted to happen before some of those He spoke to in that generation had died (Matthew 16:27-28).

No new revelations were given we have the perfect.

Simply a sign of times things going on from the beginning of time just like in the days of Noah

Luke 21: 6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

not one stone left . stone or rock a figure of speech "Stone foundation" the language of parables ending with "for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by. He wil come ago like a thief in the night .no need to when . we have eternal life we can continue to walk by faith the unseen eternal things of God

When he walked out of the abomination of desolation temple made with the dying hands as a will of sinful mankind he eclred his etnlwil

Luke 21:7-9 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them .But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.

Matthew 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Again not will literally when the last stones falls .The way I understand a remnant still remains that some have made into a idol image .

You have this backwards. "And Adam was NOT deceived..." 1 Timothy 2:14 tells us. Adam sinned with full knowledge of what he was doing. You are directly contradicting the scriptures here.

I would offer.

The prophecy was given to Adam alone. Adam was to represent our unseen head Christ Eve the woman used to represent the bride of Christ ad was in the position of a priestess to preach the gospel same as the parable in exodus below.

Exodus 7:1 And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet .same spirit understanding .

Either the prophecy was not passed down or Eve chose to do the will of the father of lies and add to the prophecy They both were deceived She preached the false gospel adding to the prophecy with a oral tradition .Both were deceived by the same false prophecy (neither shall you touch) Eve was not more greater sinner. Same punishment for men same as women.

Adam in a greater position of responsibility he was to protect his wife from false prophecy Christ in the Son man Jesus healed that wound at Calvary

They were both deceived. . the woman as a false prophet, false apostle adding to the word (neither shall you touch} Adam believing the lie

You are also falling prey to error again here. The many antichrists were human men with a human spirit that denied that the prophesied Messiah Christ was Jesus who had already come in the flesh (2 John 7). The demons never denied this, nor Satan either. They were well aware of who the incarnate Christ was and made public proclamations of knowing this.

Amen

Satan was not The Antichrist individual who was coming in the first-century days. Satan had always been around since Creation week.

The anti-christ Satan or called the legion works in antichrists (plural ) he began his work in the garden moving Eve with false prophecy .adding to the perfect taking away the power of the perfect. . giving it over to the father of lies .The king of lying sign to wonder after never coming to faith living in limbo

 

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They were both deceived. . the woman as a false prophet, false apostle adding to the word (neither shall you touch} Adam believing the lie

No, Adam was NOT deceived, either by Eve or the serpent Satan. Scripture flatly contradicts you in 1 Timothy 2:14. And this subject has nothing to do with the first-century antichrists that were then presently operating in those days.

Satan always worked as a deceiver, but that did not make him one of John's many antichrists, or even "The Antichrist" who was being restrained in Paul's days. You do realize that humanity can deceive itself even without Satan's assistance or his presence in this world, don't you? "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked..."

Those "false christs" and the "false prophets" that were promoting those false christs in the first century were perfectly capable of deceiving themselves and others into following them as they presented themselves as the prophesied Messiah Christ that would come into the world.

 

[grace2]

Who and what is the antichrist?​

Everyone who spreads a false god in the name of Jesus' God is anti-Christ.

So triune god worshipping churches fit in this category.

 

[Mr GLee]

No, Adam was NOT deceived, either by Eve or the serpent Satan. Scripture flatly contradicts you in 1 Timothy 2:14. And this subject has nothing to do with the first-century antichrists that were then presently operating in those days.

Satan always worked as a deceiver, but that did not make him one of John's many antichrists, or even "The Antichrist" who was being restrained in Paul's days. You do realize that humanity can deceive itself even without Satan's assistance or his presence in this world, don't you? "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked..."

Those "false christs" and the "false prophets" that were promoting those false christs in the first century were perfectly capable of deceiving themselves and others into following them as they presented themselves as the prophesied Messiah Christ that would come into the world.

Hi thanks

I see it a little differently today . I would offer going back to Genesis to the foundation of the matter .

God using mankind (creation) to demonstrate the invisible work of God as King of earthly kings and Lord of earthly lords. In order to inform us of his priesthood of believers sending them out as his bride apostles. Like those sent out to gather in for the wedding supper in the new heavens and earth in Mathew. . The gospel in a parable.

The priesthood mankind preaching prophesying the gospel of Christ .

The prophecy was given to Adam alone. Adam was to represent our unseen head Christ. Eve the woman used to represent the bride of Christ the whole church (weaker vessel) The bride in the position of a priestess to preach the gospel. Same order as the parable in Exodus below. Using mankind Moses to show His inviable power of His mighty faithfulness that he works in those yoked with him . giving words to his prophets sent as apostles

Exodus 7:1 And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet .(preacher)

Satan the father of all false lies. . father of false prophets, false apostles. The deceiver knew the body of a Eve represented the whole church and Adam as if Christ ....bringing new prophecy.

Deceiving her. . The spirit of the antchrist (Satan) murders the human race. death came . Satan hates all flesh He was a murderer from that beginning as a false god declaring false prophecy (oral traditons of dying mankind )..

Satan who usurps the teaching authority gave it over to the false church called the strange woman . . . dying mankind as if God was a man. Like that of the Pope the assumed infalible interpreter (daysman) as a umpire set between God not seen and dying mankind seen . Satan needs mankind (human form) to deceive .He has no voice of its own

Satan added to prophecy (neither shall you touch) acting as a false apostles Eve (to represent the bride of Christ . The false prophecy deceived Adam who was to protect her just as God protects his church washing her with the water of the word (the gospel)

So then Adam was deceived by the same false prophecy . He was just not the originator. Both ate .

The warning is to the church (mankind) Not signaling out woman. Men must learn in silence with all subjection to the living word in the same way . It does not give the husband the last word . Man represents our husband Christ . he does the washing and renewing . Adam failed to represent Christ not seen . Now days absentee fathers is on the increase . I think the reason for the one new ceremonial law as a sign to the world not a sign to the church . the headship figure of speech. all of the other shadows of ceremonial law (shadow) became sight at Calvary

The whole church as the bride is not the interpreter of all things written in the law and prophets (sola scriptura) the invisible things of Him


1 Timothy2: 11-14 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

She delivered the false prophecy .They both believed the same lie (neither shall you touch) Looking to lust after . . . . . they had fallen dead

Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart

 

[Brakelite]

The single "The Antichrist" was going to emerge from among that group of "many antichrists" and come into power by "exalting himself" over the rest of them.

And who was that??

 

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And who was that??

Already mentioned in my reply #147. "The Antichrist" who was then being restrained in Paul's days was the Zealot leader Menahem, either the son or grandson of Judas the Galilean Zealot found in Acts 5:37. In AD 66 just before the beginning of the Jewish / Roman war, Menahem fulfilled all the predicted actions and the fated destruction of this "Man of Lawlessness" from 2 Thess. 2. His story can be found in Josephus Wars 2.17.8-9.

"The Antichrist" is not coming in our future. He's been dead ever since AD 66.

 

[grace2]

Already mentioned in my reply #147. "The Antichrist" who was then being restrained in Paul's days was the Zealot leader Menahem, either the son or grandson of Judas the Galilean Zealot found in Acts 5:37. In AD 66 just before the beginning of the Jewish / Roman war, Menahem fulfilled all the predicted actions and the fated destruction of this "Man of Lawlessness" from 2 Thess. 2. His story can be found in Josephus Wars 2.17.8-9.

"The Antichrist" is not coming in our future. He's been dead ever since AD 66.

Antichrist is still here very much alive until Christ comes.

And many many of us are being used by him.

 

[Brakelite]

Already mentioned in my reply #147. "The Antichrist" who was then being restrained in Paul's days was the Zealot leader Menahem, either the son or grandson of Judas the Galilean Zealot found in Acts 5:37. In AD 66 just before the beginning of the Jewish / Roman war, Menahem fulfilled all the predicted actions and the fated destruction of this "Man of Lawlessness" from 2 Thess. 2. His story can be found in Josephus Wars 2.17.8-9.

"The Antichrist" is not coming in our future. He's been dead ever since AD 66.

So the first beast of revelation... The little horn of Daniel 7... All different?? Do we need to concern ourselves or warn anyone about any future threat to Christianity from any prophetic figure? If so, who are they? And if not, who are you?

 

[grace2]

So the first beast of revelation... The little horn of Daniel 7... All different?? Do we need to concern ourselves or warn anyone about any future threat to Christianity from any prophetic figure? If so, who are they? And if not, who are you?

If you strive to be faithful to God and Jesus, you have nothing to worry about.