Who and what exactly is the antichrist?

[Marty]

In all seriousness, Emperor Nero

Did you read the OP?

Nero I believe was the human form that the beast which is different from the biblical description of the AC

 

[Marty]

`Why do the nations rage and the people plot a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD and against His anointed, saying, "Let us break their bonds in pieces and cast away their cords from us.` (Ps. 2: 1 - 3)

`Against His anointed, ` against Christ, anti-Christ, the kings and the rulers. And there will be a final Gentile Global leader who will also be against Christ, he is the lawless one. (2 Thess. 2: 8)

We know from scripture where the final Global Leader will arise & what his nationality is. We are also told that he is an Assyrian. Now this is a nationality even today. Andre Agassi, the famous tennis player is of Assyrian descent.



Details of the Final Global leader. –


His nationality – Assyrian. (Isa. 31: 8 Micah 5: 5)

The region he comes from – the Ancient Assyrian Empire. (Dan. 11: 35 – 43)

Leader of Ancient Assyrian region - Iraq, Syria & Jordan. (Dan. 7: 8)

Leader of Islamic Federation – 10 kings of Islam. (Dan. 7: 8, Rev. 17: 12)

He rules the world – (Rev. 16: 13 & 14, 19: 19)

But thats not John's description of the AC

 

[Marilyn C]

But thats not John's description of the AC

As I wrote from Ps. 2: 1 - 3 that the kings and rulers were all against Christ. They will have a final leader that will also be against Christ. And that does not contradict John. Remember God wrote the whole Bible and gives detail throughout. We cannot just take one scripture by itself but within the context of all of God`s word.

 

[Marty]

As I wrote from Ps. 2: 1 - 3 that the kings and rulers were all against Christ. They will have a final leader that will also be against Christ. And that does not contradict John. Remember God wrote the whole Bible and gives detail throughout. We cannot just take one scripture by itself but within the context of all of God`s word.

I didn’t take one scripture I used 4 and they were all from John who also penned revelation.

The leader you are thinking of is the beast of revelation not the antichrist

 

[Marilyn C]

I didn’t take one scripture I used 4 and they were all from John who also penned revelation.

The leader you are thinking of is the beast of revelation not the antichrist

They are the same - the leader of the beastly Global Government who is against Christ, (anti-Christ).

Of course there has been many against Christ all down through history, however there is only one final Gentile Ruler who is also against Christ.

 

[Marty]

They are the same - the leader of the beastly Global Government who is against Christ, (anti-Christ).

Of course there has been many against Christ all down through history, however there is only one final Gentile Ruler who is also against Christ.

If you read what John taught in the OP you will see that John describes the antichrist and the sea beast of revelation very differently and even gives them a different purpose. Why else would John give them different names?

 

[Marilyn C]

If you read what John taught in the OP you will see that John describes the antichrist and the sea beast of revelation very differently and even gives them a different purpose. Why else would John give them different names?

All of God`s word is needed when describing topics. John wrote about the character of people who are against Christ. The in Rev. 13 we see that the final Gentile Global leader is that too.

 

[Marty]

All of God`s word is needed when describing topics. John wrote about the character of people who are against Christ. The in Rev. 13 we see that the final Gentile Global leader is that too.

Did you read the OP?

 

[Marilyn C]

Did you read the OP?

Yes, and disagree.

 

[Marty]

Yes, and disagree.

How can you disagree when I quoted Johns word’s right out of the scriptures?

Here they are again


1 John 2:18
18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22
22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

2 John 1:7
I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist

How would explain the Antichrist John describes in these verses?

Would you agree that it is much different from the sea beast John describes?

 

[Marilyn C]

How can you disagree when I quoted Johns word’s right out of the scriptures?

Here they are again


1 John 2:18
18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22
22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

2 John 1:7
I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist

How would explain the Antichrist John describes in these verses?

Would you agree that it is much different from the sea beast John describes?

John is describing the character of people, against Christ, who have been down through the last 2000 plus years.

Then in Rev. 13 the beast from the sea, is the Global Government made up of the Federations revealed in Dan. 7. Then we see that they have a leader who is against Christ, as are the kings and rulers, (Ps. 2: 1 - 3).

 

[Marty]

John is describing the character of people, against Christ, who have been down through the last 2000 plus years.

Then in Rev. 13 the beast from the sea, is the Global Government made up of the Federations revealed in Dan. 7. Then we see that they have a leader who is against Christ, as are the kings and rulers, (Ps. 2: 1 - 3).

Yes that is what John is describing and the sprit of antichrist has been going on for 2000 years. But in his day it was apostate Israel who denied that Jesus was the Christ and sent from God.

There is no one particular person in those four verses that mention the term antichrist the only person figure John talked about was the sea beast of revelation

 

[Marilyn C]

Yes that is what John is describing and the sprit of antichrist has been going on for 2000 years. But in his day it was apostate Israel who denied that Jesus was the Christ and sent from God.

There is no one particular person in those four verses that mention the term antichrist the only person figure John talked about was the sea beast of revelation

God`s word encompasses more than 1,2 3 John & Rev.

 

[Selah7]

If you read what John taught in the OP you will see that John describes the antichrist and the sea beast of revelation very differently and even gives them a different purpose. Why else would John give them different names?

I believe there are TWO beasts mentioned in the thirteenth chapter of the book of Revelation.

The first beast mentioned in chapter thirteen is a system (a one-world system) and this beast is powered by the second beast, which is none other than Satan, which is the dragon, which is the antichrist.

Revelation 13:1-5

13 Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.

2 Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast.

4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”

5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months.

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

 

[civic]

Yes that is what John is describing and the sprit of antichrist has been going on for 2000 years. But in his day it was apostate Israel who denied that Jesus was the Christ and sent from God.

There is no one particular person in those four verses that mention the term antichrist the only person figure John talked about was the sea beast of revelation

It was also the false teaching of the gnostics that John was refuting that had crept into the church .

 

[Marty]

I believe there are TWO beasts mentioned in the thirteenth chapter of the book of Revelation.

The first beast mentioned in chapter thirteen is a system (a one-world system) and this beast is powered by the second beast, which is none other than Satan, which is the dragon, which is the antichrist.

Revelation 13:1-5

13 Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.

2 Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast.

4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”

5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months.

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

The land beast also known as the false prophet is more like antichrist than the sea beast

 

[Marty]

It was also the false teaching of the gnostics that John was refuting that had crept into the church .

Yes but three of the verses seam to be tied directly to apostate Israel

 

[Marilyn C]

The land beast also known as the false prophet is more like antichrist than the sea beast

He holds two offices - economic and religious, but not political.

 

[EarlyActs]

There are only four verses in the entire bible that uses the word antichrist

1 John 2:18
18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22
22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

2 John 1:7
I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

Many Christians believe that the antichrist will be the future evil world ruler of the book of Revelation who will rule the world during the end times but is that what the bible actually teaches?

It is interesting that John the disciple who wrote the four verses mentioning the word antichrist was the same John who wrote the book of Revelation. It is also interesting that John didn’t use the word antichrist in the book of Revelation. Why would this be? Could it be that the antichrist John wrote about in his epistles is different from the one most Christians believe to be the antichrist in the book of Revelation?

John used the word beast to describe the evil persecuting world leader in the book of Revelation and its description and character is much different from the description and character of the antichrist. The beast is described symbolically as a ten horned seven headed creature who rules the world and persecutes the saints.

Let’s look at who and what John says is the antichrist.

1 John 2:18-27
18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth.[e] 21 I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. 22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

24 As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is what he promised us—eternal life.

26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.

John is showing us that the antichrist isn’t just one person but many people. John is also stating that the antichrist was present before, after and during his day. John also states that the antichrist is the opposite of truth and John tells us in the verse below that Jesus is truth

John 14:6
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Thus this antichrist who John says is a liar is antichrist because it is the opposite of truth which is Jesus who is the Christ.

Let’s look at what else John says is the antichrist.

1 John 4:1-6
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. 5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. 6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

Once again John tells us that this antichrist is not just one but many. John tells us again that the antichrist was present in his day and John also tells us that the antichrist is not just people but it is actually a spirit. Let’s take a look at the last time that John mentions the word antichrist.

2 John 1:4-11
4 It has given me great joy to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as the Father commanded us. 5 And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command but one we have had from the beginning. I ask that we love one another. 6 And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.

7 I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. 8 Watch out that you do not lose what we have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. 9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them. 11 Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work.

John tells us once again that the antichrist isn’t just one but many. John then goes on to say that this antichrist is the deceiving spirit who denies that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. Jesus Christ coming in the flesh means that the Man Jesus is the Christ the anointed one the Messiah the son of God.

When we read all four verses that uses the word antichrist it seems that he was meaning apostate Israel in his day. Apostate Israel was active when John wrote these words and they denied that Jesus was the Christ by denying Jesus they also denied the Father. Antichrist is not complete in apostate Israel but they do fit the description John gave in his day.

The antichrist is much different from the sea beast in the book of Revelation. The sea beast purpose is to rule the earth to be worshipped as god, destroy Babylon the great and to try to wipeout the church. The antichrist purpose to deceive and to divert people away from the Messiah Jesus the Christ. The antichrist is more like the land beast from the book of Revelation also known as the false prophet.

In conclusion John teaches in the bible that the antichrist is not a future evil world leader but a deceiving spirit within many people who was present in John’s day and whose purpose was to divert people away from the true Messiah Jesus the Christ. John used different titles for the beast and the antichrist for a reason and John showed us what those reasons were.

"Jesus is the Christ" being the main teaching of the apostles, he must be the opposite of what they taught. Jesus did say that in that generation many would claim to be Messiah, decievingly. So yes, they were saying someone else was Messiah.

 

[EarlyActs]

Yes but three of the verses seam to be tied directly to apostate Israel

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