Which Israel In The Grace Era Is Recognized By God?

[Eleanor]

Isreal suffered the punishment of Lev 26 in 70 AD
There are 2 Israel if you want to put it that way
Real Israel was scatted. And his been blinded in part since that day
Yes, All thes was prophesied
Lev 26
Dan 9
Nothing happened that God did nto tell us was going to happen

There has always only been one faith that saved, Not two or more faiths.
God gave a people a plot of land. He gave it as an eternal promise
God does not go back on his gift. And Paul said in Romans 11 the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable
Amen The day will come with these will be fulfilled.

And in the NT light Heb 11:8-16, 39-40, we see that the promise of "Canaan forever" was really two promises--an earthly promise and a spiritual promise.
The promise of "Canaan" was the earthly promise, of the possession of Canaan by Israel (Ge 15:18-21, Ex 23:31, Dt 1:7, 11:24, Josh 1:4), to be a type of eternal life on earth (Dt 7:1-2, 17:22, Josh 1:3, 8-9, 13, 5:2-3, 24:13, 2 Sa 7:10-11), which promise of possession was fulfilled under Solomon (1 Kgs 4:21, 24-25).
The promise of "forever" was the spiritual promise, of eternal life in heaven forever (Heb 11:10, 16), which promise was fulfilled at their deaths.
So that the promise of "Canaan forever" was not a promise of earthly Canaan forever, for that would mean God did not keep his promises made personally to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Ge 7:8, 26:3, 28:4). But God always keeps his promises (Ps 145:13); and therefore, we see in the light of the NT that the promise of "Canaan forever" to the seed of Abraham is not a promise of earthly Canaan forever, but is really two promises regarding eternal life--the first, a promise of the possession/occupation of Canaan by Israel (as a type of eternal life on earth), which promise has been fulfilled; and the second, a promise of eternal life in heaven forever, which promise is being fulfilled.

There is no earthly land promise remaining to Israel.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

And in the NT light Heb 11:8-16, 39-40, we see that the promise of "Canaan forever" was really two promises--an earthly promise and a spiritual promise.
The promise of "Canaan" was the earthly promise, of the possession of Canaan by Israel (Ge 15:18-21, Ex 23:31, Dt 1:7, 11:24, Josh 1:4), to be a type of eternal life on earth (Dt 7:1-2, 17:22, Josh 1:3, 8-9, 13, 5:2-3, 24:13, 2 Sa 7:10-11), which promise of possession was fulfilled under Solomon (1 Kgs 4:21, 24-25).
The promise of "forever" was the spiritual promise, of eternal life in heaven forever (Heb 11:10, 16), which promise was fulfilled at their deaths.
So that the promise of "Canaan forever" was not a promise of earthly Canaan forever, for that would mean God did not keep his promises made personally to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Ge 7:8, 26:3, 28:4). But God always keeps his promises (Ps 145:13); and therefore, we see in the light of the NT that the promise of "Canaan forever" to the seed of Abraham is not a promise of earthly Canaan forever, but is really two promises regarding eternal life--the first, a promise of the possession/occupation of Canaan by Israel (as a type of eternal life on earth), which promise has been fulfilled; and the second, a promise of eternal life in heaven forever, which promise is being fulfilled.

There is no earthly land promise remaining to Israel.

Your right there were two promises

In you shall all the nations of the world be blessed. An eternal spiritual promise. The real promise that was far above any other promise, and the true promise all people. Even abraham, Isaac and Jacob looked forward to

But there was also the earthly promise

Gen 17: 8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”

You see 2 things

1. He gave all his descendents this land
2. He promised to be their God

Now in order for them to live in peace int hat land, God gave then requirments, these are found in Live 26

The final form of discipline God gave to them for being disobedient, is as follows

Lev 26: 27 ‘And after all this, if you do not obey Me, but walk contrary to Me,
28 then I also will walk contrary to you in fury;
and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.
29. You shall eat the flesh of your sons, and you shall eat the flesh of your daughters.
30. I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars, and cast your carcasses on the lifeless forms of your idols;
and My soul shall abhor you.
31. I will lay your cities waste and bring your sanctuaries to desolation, and I will not smell the fragrance of your sweet aromas.
32. I will bring the land to desolation, and your enemies who dwell in it shall be astonished at it.
33. I will scatter you among the nations and draw out a sword after you;
your land shall be desolate and your cities waste.

We see though histroy this happened 3 times

1. Assyria destroyed the northern kingdom of Israel
2. Babylon destroyed the southern kingdom of Juda
3. Rome destroyed the southern kingdom of Judah

We also see. The land has been left desolate just as God promised. But God promised somethign else in this same passage

40. ‘But if they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers, with their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, and that they also have walked contrary to Me,
41 and that I also have walked contrary to them and have brought them into the land of their enemies;
if their uncircumcised hearts are humbled, and they accept their guilt—
42. then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and My covenant with Isaac and My covenant with Abraham I will remember; I will remember the land

As long as that land is around the covenant between God and the nation he called out stands.. Gods gifts are irrevocable;e as he said in romans 11. If God is not going to keep his promise to them. He will never be bound to keep his promise to us.. Non of us has any assurance God will not turn on us as he turned on them

 

[Eleanor]

Your right there were two promises
In you shall all the nations of the world be blessed. An eternal spiritual promise. The real promise that was far above any other promise, and the true promise all people. Even abraham, Isaac and Jacob looked forward to
But there was also the earthly promise

Gen 17: 8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”
You see 2 things
1. He gave all his descendents this land
2. He promised to be their God

3) and the everlasting (eternal) possession in Ge 17:8?

Now in order for them to live in peace int hat land, God gave then requirments, these are found in Live 26

No. . .Lev 26, 600 years later, is not related to the promise of Ge 17:8.

Lev 26 is related to the laws and regulations of Ex and Lev.

The final form of discipline God gave to them for being disobedient, is as followsLev 26: 27 ‘And after all this, if you do not obey Me, but walk contrary to Me,28 then I also will walk contrary to you in fury;and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.
29. You shall eat the flesh of your sons, and you shall eat the flesh of your daughters.
30. I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars, and cast your carcasses on the lifeless forms of your idols;
and My soul shall abhor you.
31. I will lay your cities waste and bring your sanctuaries to desolation, and I will not smell the fragrance of your sweet aromas.
32. I will bring the land to desolation, and your enemies who dwell in it shall be astonished at it.
33. I will scatter you among the nations and draw out a sword after you;
your land shall be desolate and your cities waste.
We see though histroy this happened 3 times
1. Assyria destroyed the northern kingdom of Israel
2. Babylon destroyed the southern kingdom of Juda
3. Rome destroyed the southern kingdom of Judah
We also see. The land has been left desolate just as God promised. But God promised somethign else in this same passage
40. ‘But if they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers, with their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, and that they also have walked contrary to Me,
41 and that I also have walked contrary to them and have brought them into the land of their enemies;
if their uncircumcised hearts are humbled, and they accept their guilt—
42. then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and My covenant with Isaac and My covenant with Abraham I will remember; I will remember the land

As long as that land is around the covenant between God and the nation he called out stands..

And though Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were personally promised Canaan by God (Ge 17:8, 26:3 28:14), they had no inheritance there, not even a foot of ground (Ac 7:5).
So either God does not keep his promises, or the promise of "land forever" was not of earthly land, but of heavenly land (Heb 11:13-16).

Gods gifts are irrevocable;e as he said in romans 11.

And he is keeping them to a remnant.

There is no earthly land that is forever, for time ends at the second coming.
Forever is the eternal land, making the promise of "Canaan forever" (Ge 17:8, 26:3, 28:14) two separate promises:
1) the possession (Josh 23:14, 21:43) and occupation (1 Kgs 4:21, 24-25) of earthly land by Israel, fulfilled
2) the promise of "forever" in the heavenly land (Heb 11:13-16), fulfilled to the patriarchs.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

3) and the everlasting (eternal) possession in Ge 17:8.No. . .Lev 26, 600 years later, is not related to the promise of Ge 17:8.
Lev 26 is related to the laws and regulations of Ex and Lev.
And though Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were personally promised Canaan by God (Ge 17:8, 26:3 28:14), they had no inheritance there, not even a foot of ground (Ac 7:5).
So either God does not keep his promises, or the promise of an "everlasting possession" was not of earthly land, but of heavenly land (Heb 11:13-16).

And he is keeping them to a remnant.
There is no earthly land that is forever, for time ends at the second coming.
Forever is the eternal land, making the promise of "Canaan forever" (Ge 17:8, 26:3, 28:14) two separate promises:
1) the possession (Josh 23:14, 21:43) and occupation (1 Kgs 4:21, 24-25) of earthly land by Israel, fulfilled
2) the promise of "forever" in the heavenly land (Heb 11:13-16), fulfilled to the patriarchs.

Lol

Ok, believe what you want

I will pray god does n ot treat you like you have him treat isreal when you mess up

I am moving on.. there is nothing further t discuss

 

[Eleanor]

Lol

Ok, believe what you want

Yes, I believe Heb 11:13-16.

Feel free to Biblically demonstrate my error. . .

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Yes, I believe Heb 11:13-16.

Feel free to Biblically demonstrate my error. . .

I already did

But if you want the last word. Feel free.

 

[Eleanor]

I already did

But if you want the last word. Feel free.

You did not address Heb 11:13-16.