What is the gospel

[Hazelelponi]

What part is that?

Redemption. .Our need is a part of redemption, otherwise redemption would be unnecessary.

 

[prism]

There is the Law and the Gospel.
Law is basically what man is commanded by God to do.
Gospel is essentially what God has done for man.

 

[CrowCross]

Are you saying the rapture is part of the gospel? If someone asked, What is the gospel, you would tell them about being raptured.

If you deny the rapture....you deny the resurrection. Isn't you're future resurrection good news?

Isn't it comforting to know the dead in Christ will be the first to rise.....After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air?

 

[CrowCross]

Amen! I believe this is it, this is the gospel plain and simple. Anything else is about the gospel.
The gospel: Who Jesus is and what Jesus has done.

"The gospel: Who Jesus is and what Jesus has done"....and will do??? Yes?

 

[brightfame52]

I just asked what the gospel is. That's all.


So, thanks for sharing your beliefs

okay, no harm done. But you know preaching the Gospel is a ongoing activity, its also spiritual food. When Jesus told Peter to feed His Lambs and sheep, that began on the day of pentecost with the Gospel. In Peters first sermon he preached preached a form of predestination Acts 2:23

23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

He came again Acts 4:27-28

27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,

28 ;For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.

He preached the effectual call Acts 2:39

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
He preached particular atonement, for he directed his message about Christ to a particular people Acts 2:36

36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

 

[brightfame52]

You are just rehashing old ground that has already been covered and your question has been answered.

Okay so dont answer it, dont be upset if I pass on answering your questions

 

[brightfame52]

No you don't. Does Paul do that in Eph 2:8-9?

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Yes you do, and yes Paul did it, he preached the Gospel of Gods Grace didnt he Acts 20:24-27

24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

25 And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.

26 Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men.

27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.

Election is of Grace Rom 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

John Gill on Acts 20:24 which I agree:

to testify the Gospel of the grace of God; to profess and preach it, to bear a constant and public testimony to it at death, as in life, and faithfully to declare it, and assert it to the last; which he calls not only the "Gospel", or good news of salvation by Christ; but the Gospel "of the grace" of God: which brings the account of the free grace, love, and mercy of God, displayed in the scheme of salvation of the grace of God the Father, in pitching his love upon any of the sons of men; not because they were better and more deserving of his favour, than others, but because of his sovereign will and pleasure, who will be gracious to whom he will be gracious; and in choosing them in Christ unto salvation, before they had done good or evil, and without any consideration or foresight of, or motive from good works hereafter done by them; in drawing the scheme and model of their salvation in Christ, appointing him to be the author of it; and in making a covenant of grace with him, stored with all the blessings and promises of grace; and in sending him, in the fulness of time, to suffer and die for them, not sparing him, but delivering him up for them all, and giving all things freely with him; and in accepting the sacrifice, satisfaction, and righteousness of his Son on their account, as if done by themselves. It also gives an account of the grace of Christ in undertaking the salvation of men; in assuming their nature, and becoming mean and low in it; in dying for their sins; in his intercession for them at the right hand of God; and in the care he takes of them in this world, until he has brought them safe home to himself. Likewise it gives an account of the grace of the Spirit in regeneration and sanctification; in working faith in the hearts of men; in being a comforter to them, a witnesser of their adoption, the earnest of their inheritance, and the sealer of them unto the day of redemption. And the Gospel may be so called, because all the doctrines of it are doctrines of grace; it asserts election to be of grace, and not of works; and ascribes the justification of a sinner to the free grace of God, through the righteousness of Christ, imputed without works and received by faith, which faith is the gift of God, and it denies it to be of the deeds of the law; it represents the pardon of sin to be according to the riches of God's grace, though it is through the blood of Christ, and not owing to humiliation, repentance, confession, and new obedience, as causes of it; it attributes regeneration and conversion to the abundant mercy, the free favour of God, and to the efficacy of his grace, and not to the will of the flesh, or the will of man; and in a word, as the great doctrine of it is salvation, whence it is called the Gospel of salvation, it declares that the whole of salvation, from first to last, is all of grace. And it may also bear this name, because it is a means of conveying grace unto, and implanting it in the hearts of men; regenerating grace comes this way; God begets men by the word of truth, they are born again of incorruptible seed by it; the Spirit of God, as a spirit of sanctification, is received through it, and faith comes by hearing it; and both that and hope, and every other grace, are quickened, encouraged, and drawn forth into exercise by it; all which is, when it is attended with the Spirit of God and power: and this being the nature and use of the Gospel, made it so precious and valuable to the apostle, and made him so intent upon testifying it, and fulfilling the ministry of it, and to prefer it to life and everything in this world; and it cannot but be highly valued and greatly desired by all those who have tasted that the Lord is gracious. Beza's ancient copy, and some others, read, "to testify to Jews and Greeks the Gospel of the grace of God". Acts 20:24 Commentaries: "But I do not consider my life of any account as dear to myself, so that I may finish my course and the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify solemnly of the gospel of the grace of God.

 

[CrowCross]

okay, no harm done. But you know preaching the Gospel is a ongoing activity, its also spiritual food. When Jesus told Peter to feed His Lambs and sheep, that began on the day of pentecost with the Gospel. In Peters first sermon he preached preached a form of predestination Acts 2:23

23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

He came again Acts 4:27-28

27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,

28 ;For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.

He preached the effectual call Acts 2:39

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
He preached particular atonement, for he directed his message about Christ to a particular people Acts 2:36

36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

To many people think they found Jesus rather than Jesus finding them.

 

[brightfame52]

That is teaching, not the Gospel. You seem to think you have to do God's job for him.

Dont be rude. I haven't been rude to you. Teaching and preaching are interchangeable in evangelism. Jesus in His commission to evangelize said Teach all nations Matt 28

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Then He called it preaching Lk 24

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

{Edit by mod for violation of rule #2.1 and 2.2}

 

[Arial]

Yes you do, and yes Paul did it, he preached the Gospel of Gods Grace didnt he Acts 20:24-27

I didn't ask about Acts 20:24-27. I asked about Eph 2:8-9. You keep changing the subject to whatever is convenient for you to continue right fighting. First it is that we have to include election by grace when preaching the gospel. And when that is refuted the conversation becomes including salvation by grace as a part of the gospel, implying that the other person has disputed that instead of the Doctrines of Grace (all of them as effectual grace does not stand alone in the DoG, but is supported by the "T" and the "U" and the "L") as a mandatory and necessary part of introducing a person to the gospel of Jesus Christ.

That tactic is nothing more than a person always having to be right and in love with arguing over nothing. Just for the sake of arguing.

John Gill on Acts 20:24 which I agree:

I agree with that too and have said the same thing in so many words. So we can quit having that argument. But Gill is not saying that the DoG must be declared as a part of preaching the gospel, your original claim. Just that salvation is by grace. Which I have not once denied, or dismissed the importance of.

 

[Arial]

Okay so dont answer it, dont be upset if I pass on answering your questions

I have already answered it three or four times. I doubt if I do so a fifth time that you will give it any more consideration than the other times. If you did, you would no longer have anything to argue about. If you can't/won't see that I have answered it, that is on you. Spinning on a hamster wheel is not my preferred manner of discussion.

 

[brightfame52]

@Arial

I didn't ask about Acts 20:24-27. I asked about Eph 2:8-9.

Its all the same, Salvation by Grace through Faith is by way of election by grace, and should be explained in teaching the Gospel of Grace.

 

[brightfame52]

I have already answered it three or four times. I doubt if I do so a fifth time that you will give it any more consideration than the other times. If you did, you would no longer have anything to argue about. If you can't/won't see that I have answered it, that is on you. Spinning on a hamster wheel is not my preferred manner of discussion.

You heard me. And I will be posting more without answering your questions.

 

[Arial]

You heard me. And I will be posting more without answering your questions.

I don't have any questions for you.

 

[Carbon]

It is about Jesus, but how is it possible to preach the gospel----which is the good news of salvation---

The gospel is about Jesus, who he is and what he has done. That's good news.

without relating it to why he needed to do what he did. It is people who we are preaching the gospel to.

Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” Acts 16:30,31

People who are being redeemed through the preaching of the gospel. If it has no relation to them, why would we preach it?

But who Jesus is and what he has done will have relation to the elect. They will believe who he said he is.
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24.

The entire Law was to show us our need.

And it is all foolishness to those who are perishing. Because they do not believe Jesus is who he said he is.

 

[Carbon]

I disagree here. The good news is only good as it's touching us.

If it didn't touch us it would only be news, not specifically good news.

Our need is a part.

One of the big issues in our time is individualism. Everything in one way, shape, or form and measure has to include us, individually.

 

[Carbon]

okay, no harm done.

Okay, good.

But you know preaching the Gospel is a ongoing activity,

Yes, preaching Christ crucified. 1 Corinthians 1:23

Not teaching theology to the world.

 

[Hazelelponi]

One of the big issues in our time is individualism. Everything in one way, shape, or form and measure has to include us, individually.

I think I understand what you're saying.

 

[Carbon]

It is about Jesus, but how is it possible to preach the gospel----which is the good news of salvation---

Let me explain it this way.

We dont believe the good news about salvation and our forgiveness. To be saved, we need to believe Jesus is who he said he is, the I Am. Once we believe, these other things fall into place, because we start to see they describe who we are in Christ as the forgiven.

without relating it to why he needed to do what he did. It is people who we are preaching the gospel to.

And this is one reason mankind has introduced the altar call, the coming forward to receive Jesus. Dont get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with telling people they need forgiveness, because they do, nothing wrong with telling them they need to confess their sins, because when they are born again, they will.
In a Calvinist Church, the pastor does not invite people to come up to say a prayer for salvation (at least, I hope not); he knows that as he is preaching Christ, the Holy Ghost gathers the elect, making them alive so they will believe Jesus is the Christ, they then know they need forgiveness, want forgiveness and know they are forgiven. Before they are given life, they dont know what this true forgiveness is they need, they do not know what this true salvation is. If the preacher can make it sound good enough, they will come up if invited to get it.

People who are being redeemed through the preaching of the gospel. If it has no relation to them, why would we preach it?

Jesus said to preach it. That's all the reason we need. Paul said in 1 Cor 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
The gospel is: who Jesus is and what he has done.

I think I'm preaching to the choir; we just understand the same truths a bit differently. But you must be patient with me, I'm not nearly a finished product.

The entire Law was to show us our need.

 

[Carbon]

If you deny the rapture....you deny the resurrection. Isn't you're future resurrection good news?

Isn't it comforting to know the dead in Christ will be the first to rise.....After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air?

We meet the Lord in the air as he is coming to earth for judgment.
So I do not deny the resurrection; I deny nothing. But @Arial is absolutely correct, wrong topic, start a different thread.