What is the doctrine of Eternal Security?

[Mr GLee]

Where does scripture call Christ the redeemer?

Where does scripture call Peter or Mary the redeemer?

 

[donadams]

Before Limbo or after?

Fyi limbo only refers to infants who die without the grace of baptism! No one else!

 

[donadams]

Where does scripture call Peter or Mary the redeemer?

Never claimed either one!

Christ is the only redeemer and savior!

 

[Mr GLee]

Never claimed either one!

Christ is the only redeemer and savior!

Is He the invisible head of the church as our Holy Father in heaven?

How can you serve two Holy Father, Holy Sees

 

[donadams]

Is He the invisible head of the church as our Holy Father in heaven?

How can you serve two Holy Father, Holy Sees

Must be someone to lead the visible church on earth like Moses, Joshua etc.

What authority did the successors of Moses have? Matt 23:1

 

[Josheb]

It’s not possible, misunderstanding is not truth!

That is not an answer to my question.

 

[makesends]

Where does scripture call Christ the redeemer?

Job 19, for starters, or does the RCC deny Jesus is God?:

25 I know that my redeemer lives,
and that in the end he will stand on the earth.
26 And after my skin has been destroyed,
yet in my flesh I will see God;
27 I myself will see him
with my own eyes—I, and not another.
How my heart yearns within me!

 

[Mr GLee]

Fyi limbo only refers to infants who die without the grace of baptism! No one else!

And how long must they suffer? Is Purgatory the eternal security set aside for the mature sinners? How long to the more mature sinners suffer ?

 

[donadams]

That is not an answer to my question.

All your posts are red!

 

[donadams]

Job 19, for starters, or does the RCC deny Jesus is God?:

25 I know that my redeemer lives,
and that in the end he will stand on the earth.
26 And after my skin has been destroyed,
yet in my flesh I will see God;
27 I myself will see him
with my own eyes—I, and not another.
How my heart yearns within me!

I full agree but it does not actually say Jesus or that it refers to Jesus.

Oh no the one true apostolic church founded by Christ teaches and believes the divinity of Christ and the most holy trinity, but my question was about sola scriptura.

Thks

 

[donadams]

And how long must they suffer? Is Purgatory the eternal security set aside for the mature sinners? How long to the more mature sinners suffer ?

There is no indication that those subject to limbo ever suffer!

The scripture says without being born again you cannot enter the kingdom. Jn 3:5 so what happens to infants who die without baptism, we don’t know, Christ did not say, so our understanding of what happens to them is “in limbo” or unknown!

Those in purgatory suffer until God’s justice is satisfied, but also includes the prayers and sufferages of the saints here on earth.

Thks

 

[Josheb]

All your posts are [read]!

That's not an answer to my question, either.

All your posts are red!

How do those posts answer the question asked in this op?

 

[donadams]

That's not an answer to my question, either.

How do those posts answer the question asked in this op?

ES in life is a pipe dream!

Matt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

And he who does not endure to the end in Christ, his faith, his grace, and his church???

 

[Josheb]

ES in life is a pipe dream!

Well, since the posts answering the question asked have been ignored I'll consider the dross of that statement for all it's worth.

Matt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Yep. Completely irrelevant to ES, though, and I've already explained how and why. Who then does scripture report endures? Is it those who work to achieve salvation by the means of their flesh, or those in whom God works to complete His salvation.

And he who does not endure to the end in Christ, his faith, his grace, and his church???

Incomplete sentences and questions are meaningless. This is a text-based format, so it's very important to post complete sentences, inquiries, using proper syntax, nouns, verbs, adjectives and adverbs, express a complete thought, etc. And it's important to stay on topic because this thread is not about those who do NOT endure. It is about the doctrine of eternal security. Nothing else, nothing more. When you attempt changes of topics (and you do that a lot), it looks like you don't know your own answers or are avoiding something.


I answered the question asked. I asked you if you've read those posts. You said you read them. If the posts were read then say something op-relevant, something more substantive than "ES in life is a pipe dream," because that is just lazy. Post something op-relevant that actually addresses the posted answer to the question asked. Start with Post 46.

 

[makesends]

I full agree but it does not actually say Jesus or that it refers to Jesus.

Oh no the one true apostolic church founded by Christ teaches and believes the divinity of Christ and the most holy trinity, but my question was about sola scriptura.

Thks

When do you say was the beginning of Christianity?

 

[makesends]

I full agree but it does not actually say Jesus or that it refers to Jesus.

Oh no the one true apostolic church founded by Christ teaches and believes the divinity of Christ and the most holy trinity, but my question was about sola scriptura.

Thks

If you fully agree that Christ is God, and he is the Redeemer, then what is your problem?

 

[Mr GLee]

Fyi limbo only refers to infants who die without the grace of baptism! No one else!

Grace of baptism .Getting a person wet saves? Where did that Idea come from?

 

[donadams]

If God grants irresistible grace to the justified; then we could not sin, we have perpetual perseverance, but if that were true we would not have free will, we could not choose to love God and do His will!

Sin requires free will, we must know it is wrong and still choose to do it!

This concept renders many scriptures meaningless!

Matt 7:14 must choose between the wide or narrow gate, road.

Matt 7:23 must choose acts of righteousness.

Matt 11:29 1 cor 13:2 Deut. 6:4 must choose virtue and love of God.

Matt 24:42 must choose to be prepared.

Jn 15:4 must choose to abide in or reject Christ.

Mk 13:12 & Matt 24:13 must choose to But endure unto the end to be saved.

Phil 1:29, col 1:24, must choose to believe and suffer for Christ’s sake.

Matt 26:41 must choose Watch & Pray to avoid sin, cos we cannot persevere without God’s help.

Jn 3:16 Heb 10:39 must choose to believe and continue in a state of faith.

 

[donadams]

When do you say was the beginning of Christianity?

Acts 1:22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.

 

[donadams]

If you fully agree that Christ is God, and he is the Redeemer, then what is your problem?

My question or problem is “scripture alone” where does scripture say Jesus Christ is redeemer? It does say he accomplished our redemption.

Ephesians 1:7
In whom we have redemptionthrough his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

And the apostolic church he founded and commanded to teach does believe and teach Christ is the redeemer.

Thks