What is our participation in the atonement?

[Eleanor]

Can you be glorified without suffering?

Glorification is the result of resurrection, not of anything else.

 

[Eleanor]

No!

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

In the Greek there, "If" is not a condition, it is simply a fact. . .better translated "since" we suffer with him.

2 Tim 2:3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Thks

 

[Eleanor]

The verse below is deliberately misquoted. Watch for the revision.

"We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and
Yahweh has laid on him the punishment of us all." (Isa 53:6)
It doesn't say "punishment" although that was laid on him too (Isa 53:5). No; it
says iniquity. In other words: Jesus didn't only take a beating for everyone's sins,
he also took the blame for them as if he were the one who committed everyone's
sins instead of us.

As in the OT sacrifices, the sins were laid on the animal with the laying on of the hand of the sinner (Lev 1:4, 4:4).

"By his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their
iniquities." (Isa 53:11)

The Hebrew word translated "justify" basically means to make someone innocent of
any wrong doing, i.e. exonerated; which in this case, is an administrative act of
God about which I understand nothing because it is so contrary to rational
jurisprudence.

There is no reason to be so uninformed.
It is not contrary to rational prudence, it is all perfectly according to rational prudence.

Justification is the result of salvation (remission of sin though faith), by the same faith as salvation (Ro 3:28).

Justification is, as you say, a declaration of "not guilty," a sentence of acquittal, a pronouncement of sin free.
It is a forensic righteousness, not an actual righteousness, as is sanctification/holiness (Ro 6:19).

The end result is that when the books are opened at the great white throne event
depicted by Rev 20:11-15, there will be nothing listed with which to accuse me, viz:
it will be as though I have never produced anything but 100% sinless perfection my
entire life!
"Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who
justifies." (Rom 8:33)

The whole process from cross to great white throne seems to me an awful lot like
cooking the books and obstructing justice; but God has somehow figured out how
to do it on the up and up.

FAQ: If true that God is in a position to exonerate everyone and everybody by
means of Isa 53:6-11, then why is it that multiplied thousands will end up on the
wrong side of the afterlife?

REPLY: Because of doubt and indifference; i.e. the few that are chosen from among
the many who are called are selected, and will be selected, because their reaction
was appropriate.
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[ReverendRV]

What is our participation in the atonement?

What does suffer for Christ’s sake mean? What does it include?

Thks

Don, we only participate in the Atonement by causing a need for it, by Sinning...

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

What is our participation in the atonement?

Nothing

The high priest performed the work in the temple on the day of atonement for all the people

The people did not do anything

What does suffer for Christ’s sake mean? What does it include?

We suffer when we are out doing Gods will. just by proclaiming his name, many suffer. it means sacrificing your needs for the needs of others.

Thks

yw

 

[ReverendRV]

Nothing

The high priest performed the work in the temple on the day of atonement for all the people

The people did not do anything

We suffer when we are out doing Gods will. just by proclaiming his name, many suffer. it means sacrificing your needs for the needs of others.

yw

You remind me of someone I know...

Wasn't the real Atonement for Sin accomplished in the Heavenly Holy of Hollies?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

You remind me of someone I know...

Wasn't the real Atonement for Sin accomplished in the Heavenly Holy of Hollies?

Hmm. I do not think I ever heard this. Atonement was made in the cross. He who knew no sin was made sin for us.

 

[David Lamb]

Hmm. I do not think I ever heard this. Atonement was made in the cross. He who knew no sin was made sin for us.

Yes. We cannot "participate in the atonement," in the sense of contributing to it. It is all the work of our Saviour.