What does it mean to be born again?

[donadams]

Jesus did not teach faith alone.

It is protestant misused Paul's teachings.

Most protestants mused Paul's teaching in so many ways.

that's why it is important to know what Jesus teaches.

How do we know infallibility what is Jesus teaching? Or the truth He revealed?

 

[grace2]

How do we know infallibility what is Jesus teaching? Or the truth He revealed?

I thought you claimed to be Christ-centered.

Are you not???????????????

 

[donadams]

?????

Still haven't addressed the fact Jesus forgave sins without baptizing those whose sins he forgave. What you are doing is picking verses from the Bible, removing them from their larger text and their contexts and forcing them to mean things they never state, forcing them to mean things directly and overtly contradictory to what Jesus taught and what Jesus did. Now, not only are you still persisting in an enormous digression and an overt attempt to hijack someone else's op, but you have also now also exceeded the three strikes rule.

I'll have nothing more to do with discussing any of this with you in this thread unless and until you get on topic and contribute something cogent to the meaning of "born again."

I explained the new covenant has to be in effect

 

[donadams]

I thought you claimed to be Christ-centered.

Are you not???????????????

Not opposing you just wanting a biblical understanding

My understanding is it is Jesus Christ that is the infallible truth!
And He must teach us!

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Thks

 

[grace2]

My understanding is it is Jesus Christ that is the infallible truth!
And He must teach us!

Ok, we got that in agreement.

I thought you were a triune god worshipper.

Am I wrong?????????????

 

[donadams]

Ok, we got that in agreement.

I thought you were a triune god worshipper.

Am I wrong?????????????

Triune means three

Does triune God mean three gods

Are you a worshipper of God?

 

[grace2]

Triune means three

Does triune God mean three gods

Are you a worshipper of God?

You are the ones saying Jesus is God.

Trin formula "God the Father, God the Son, God the HS".

that is three Gods.

It is man-made. not of Jesus.

 

[donadams]

You are the ones saying Jesus is God.

Trin formula "God the Father, God the Son, God the HS".

that is three Gods.

It is man-made. not of Jesus.

Thus the Father is God,
the Son is God,
the Holy Spirit is God.
Yet there are not three gods;
there is but one God.

Thus the Father is Lord,
the Son is Lord,
the Holy Spirit is Lord.
Yet there are not three lords;
there is but one Lord.

Thks

Athanasius Creed!
(From the early church)
Whoever desires to be saved must above all hold to the catholic faith.

Anyone who does not keep it whole and entire will doubtless perish eternally.

Now this is the catholic faith:

That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity, neither blending their persons nor dividing their essence. For the person of the Father is a distinct person, the person of the Son is another,
and that of the Holy Spirit still another.
But the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one, their glory equal, their majesty coeternal.

What quality the Father has, the Son has, and the Holy Spirit has. The Father is uncreated, the Son is uncreated, the Holy Spirit is uncreated.

The Father is immeasurable, the Son is immeasurable, the Holy Spirit is immeasurable.

The Father is eternal, the Son is eternal,
the Holy Spirit is eternal.

And yet there are not three eternal beings; there is but one eternal being.
So too there are not three uncreated or immeasurable beings, there is but one uncreated and immeasurable being.

Similarly, the Father is almighty, the Son is almighty, the Holy Spirit is almighty. Yet there are not three almighty beings;
there is but one almighty being.

Thus the Father is God,
the Son is God,
the Holy Spirit is God.
Yet there are not three gods;
there is but one God.

Thus the Father is Lord,
the Son is Lord,
the Holy Spirit is Lord.
Yet there are not three lords;
there is but one Lord.

Just as Christian truth compels us
to confess each person individually
as both God and Lord, so catholic religion forbids us to say that there are three gods or lords.

The Father was neither made nor created nor begotten from anyone. The Son was neither made nor created; he was begotten from the Father alone. The Holy Spirit was neither made nor created nor begotten; he proceeds from the Father and the Son.

Accordingly there is one Father, not three fathers; there is one Son, not three sons;
there is one Holy Spirit, not three holy spirits.

Nothing in this trinity is before or after,
nothing is greater or smaller; in their entirety the three persons are coeternal and coequal with each other.

So in everything, as was said earlier,
we must worship their trinity in their unity and their unity in their trinity.

Anyone then who desires to be saved
should think thus about the trinity.

But it is necessary for eternal salvation
that one also believe in the incarnation
of our Lord Jesus Christ faithfully.

Now this is the true faith:

That we believe and confess
that our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son,
is both God and human, equally.

He is God from the essence of the Father,
begotten before time; and he is human from the essence of his mother, born in time; completely God, completely human, with a rational soul and human flesh; equal to the Father as regards divinity, less than the Father as regards humanity.

Although he is God and human,
yet Christ is not two, but one.
He is one, however, not by his divinity being turned into flesh, but by God's taking humanity to himself.He is one,
certainly not by the blending of his essence, but by the unity of his person.
For just as one human is both rational soul and flesh, so too the one Christ is both God and human.

He suffered for our salvation; he descended to hell; he arose from the dead; he ascended to heaven; he is seated at the Father's right hand; from there he will come to judge the living and the dead. At his coming all people will arise bodily and give an accounting of their own deeds. Those who have done good will enter eternal life, and those who have done evil will enter eternal fire.

This is the catholic faith:
one cannot be saved without believing it firmly and faithfully.

Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God of hosts!

 

[grace2]

Thus the Father is God,
the Son is God,
the Holy Spirit is God.
Yet there are not three gods;
there is but one God.

Thus the Father is Lord,
the Son is Lord,
the Holy Spirit is Lord.
Yet there are not three lords;
there is but one Lord.

Thks

Athanasius Creed!
(From the early church)
Whoever desires to be saved must above all hold to the catholic faith.

Anyone who does not keep it whole and entire will doubtless perish eternally.

Now this is the catholic faith:

That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity, neither blending their persons nor dividing their essence. For the person of the Father is a distinct person, the person of the Son is another,
and that of the Holy Spirit still another.
But the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one, their glory equal, their majesty coeternal.

What quality the Father has, the Son has, and the Holy Spirit has. The Father is uncreated, the Son is uncreated, the Holy Spirit is uncreated.

The Father is immeasurable, the Son is immeasurable, the Holy Spirit is immeasurable.

The Father is eternal, the Son is eternal,
the Holy Spirit is eternal.

And yet there are not three eternal beings; there is but one eternal being.
So too there are not three uncreated or immeasurable beings, there is but one uncreated and immeasurable being.

Similarly, the Father is almighty, the Son is almighty, the Holy Spirit is almighty. Yet there are not three almighty beings;
there is but one almighty being.

Thus the Father is God,
the Son is God,
the Holy Spirit is God.
Yet there are not three gods;
there is but one God.

Thus the Father is Lord,
the Son is Lord,
the Holy Spirit is Lord.
Yet there are not three lords;
there is but one Lord.

Just as Christian truth compels us
to confess each person individually
as both God and Lord, so catholic religion forbids us to say that there are three gods or lords.

The Father was neither made nor created nor begotten from anyone. The Son was neither made nor created; he was begotten from the Father alone. The Holy Spirit was neither made nor created nor begotten; he proceeds from the Father and the Son.

Accordingly there is one Father, not three fathers; there is one Son, not three sons;
there is one Holy Spirit, not three holy spirits.

Nothing in this trinity is before or after,
nothing is greater or smaller; in their entirety the three persons are coeternal and coequal with each other.

So in everything, as was said earlier,
we must worship their trinity in their unity and their unity in their trinity.

Anyone then who desires to be saved
should think thus about the trinity.

But it is necessary for eternal salvation
that one also believe in the incarnation
of our Lord Jesus Christ faithfully.

Now this is the true faith:

That we believe and confess
that our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son,
is both God and human, equally.

He is God from the essence of the Father,
begotten before time; and he is human from the essence of his mother, born in time; completely God, completely human, with a rational soul and human flesh; equal to the Father as regards divinity, less than the Father as regards humanity.

Although he is God and human,
yet Christ is not two, but one.
He is one, however, not by his divinity being turned into flesh, but by God's taking humanity to himself.He is one,
certainly not by the blending of his essence, but by the unity of his person.
For just as one human is both rational soul and flesh, so too the one Christ is both God and human.

He suffered for our salvation; he descended to hell; he arose from the dead; he ascended to heaven; he is seated at the Father's right hand; from there he will come to judge the living and the dead. At his coming all people will arise bodily and give an accounting of their own deeds. Those who have done good will enter eternal life, and those who have done evil will enter eternal fire.

This is the catholic faith:
one cannot be saved without believing it firmly and faithfully.

Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God of hosts!

Such a lengthy post for simple questions.

 

[donadams]

Such a lengthy post for simple questions.

Deut. 6:4 one God

 

[Mr GLee]

You are the ones saying Jesus is God.

Trin formula "God the Father, God the Son, God the HS".

that is three Gods.

It is man-made. not of Jesus.

The two are called three which I do not agree.

The Holy Spirit of our Holy Father worked in the Son of man Jesus, the son of God the first born of many .

I call them the dynamic dual. . . . . the super hero

 

[grace2]

Deut. 6:4 one God

but you claim Jesus is god too.

so you are not Jesus-centered.

No matter how many times you repeat until the cows come home, you are not Christ-centered.

 

[grace2]

The two are called three which I do not agree.

The Holy Spirit of our Holy Father worked in the Son of man Jesus, the son of God the first born of many .

I call them the dynamic dual. . . . . the super hero

Bye.

You are back to ignore.

 

[donadams]

but you claim Jesus is god too.

so you are not Jesus-centered.

No matter how many times you repeat until the cows come home, you are not Christ-centered.

One God yes
One divine nature or essence

On this we agree

Three persons in God that’s your real problem

I don’t know why

Why can’t there be three persons in one divine nature?
Are there not trillions of persons in one human nature?

 

[donadams]

but you claim Jesus is god too.

so you are not Jesus-centered.

No matter how many times you repeat until the cows come home, you are not Christ-centered.

Do we have to hear and obey the apostolic church founded by Christ?

 

[grace2]

Do we have to hear and obey the apostolic church founded by Christ?

If you speak against Jesus you are being anti-christ.

 

[grace2]

One divine nature or essence

What does not have to do with what Jesus says?

You are only speaking trin doctrines.

Jesus' followers have nothing to do with anti-Christ teachings.

 

[donadams]

but you claim Jesus is god too.

so you are not Jesus-centered.

No matter how many times you repeat until the cows come home, you are not Christ-centered.

Jn Is 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Jn1:51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

How is this possible if Jesus is just a man?

Mk 1:7 And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose.

Why if Jesus is just a man?

Jn 1:15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

How did Jesus come before John the Baptist

An oldie but a goodie!

Word of God from is received from God!

Christ never received the word of God, He is the word of God, the way, the truth, & the life in Himself!

Jesus Christ is the word incarnate!

 

[donadams]

If you speak against Jesus you are being anti-christ.

No answer try again

 

[donadams]

What does not have to do with what Jesus says?

You are only speaking trin doctrines.

Jesus' followers have nothing to do with anti-Christ teachings.

Are the decrees of apostolic councils and creeds and dogmas binding on all Christians?