What does it mean to be born again?

[donadams]

Still ignoring the facts of the New Testament: Jesus forgave sins without baptizing people. Still ignoring the fact none of the verses cited state what they were claimed to say.


Calvin believed baptism was salvific, so you're contradicting yourself when you argue for baptismal regeneration and against Calvin. Furthermore, this is the theology board, not the Calvinism board (or the Catholic board), so you're once again, entering a thread and making it all about RCCism and Cal-ragging when either are necessary. The meaning of "born again, can and should be discussed without pre-existing doctrinal bias. Many of the ECFs clearly thought baptism required but they were asserting a religious doctrinal, institutional view, not scripture, not the precedent established in scripture (I suspect at least a few of them would acknowledge that fact were they present to address that matter). The fact remains, many in the gospels had sins forgiven without being baptized. Whether it is now Church policy or not is immaterial to the point being made: forgiveness of sin is not dependent upon water baptism...... and that has nothing to do with being born anew from above or born again. Water baptism was not what Jesus' reference when he spoke about "unless one is born of water." We know that because there were many whose sins were forgiven without having been baptized. Jesus did not say that and then go out and about contradicting himself in word and deed. Your posts use the word "regeneration" many times, but they do not actually answer the question asked. You are, once again, mucking up another's thread for the sake of your own agenda.



I support water baptism, but it does not answer the question asked: "What does it mean to be born again?"

Jn 3:22 “immediately”
After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

Notice they did not preach “faith alone”!!!

 

[grace2]

Notice they did not preach “faith alone”!!!

Jesus did not teach faith alone.

It is protestant misused Paul's teachings.

Most protestants mused Paul's teaching in so many ways.

that's why it is important to know what Jesus teaches.

 

[Mr GLee]

Jn 3:22 “immediately”
After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

Notice they did not preach “faith alone”!!!

I would offer. .

The baptism of the Holy Spirit "signified" by H20 called the water of the word work of his labor of love or work of his faith fulness. No faith as it is written no salvation.

Made the devil flee. Three times as it is written with three denoting the end of the matter

In Mathew 4 The Holy Father gave words to his prophet the Son of man Jesus, 40 days without food. The un holy father of lies gave a lying wonder to try and deceive Jesus and used as it is written to try and draw Jesus to bow down .Then the Holy Father, Holy See the invisible head as it is written again and again

The law as it is written (sola scriptura) is used 50 times in the Bible . even the father of lies used the word of God as it is written to draw jesus away

Mathew 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God .Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

Strick three never saw the faith ball coming .Back to the bottomless dug out

 

[TonyChanYT]

If I was we would not be having a conversation,

NASB 1995, Psalm 104:29
You hide Your face, they are dismayed; You take away their spirit, they expire And return to their dust.

Did you have your own human spirit before you were born again?

 

[Mr GLee]

NASB 1995, Psalm 104:29
You hide Your face, they are dismayed; You take away their spirit, they expire And return to their dust.

Did you have your own human spirit before you were born again?

It is consider dead as in as dying coming to a end . Believers have a new spirit not subject to death with a promise of a new incorruptible body all receive in the twinkling of the eye

Hebrew 11:38 (Of whom the world was not worthy they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise

 

[Josheb]

Jn 3:22 “immediately”
After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

Notice they did not preach “faith alone”!!!

?????

Still haven't addressed the fact Jesus forgave sins without baptizing those whose sins he forgave. What you are doing is picking verses from the Bible, removing them from their larger text and their contexts and forcing them to mean things they never state, forcing them to mean things directly and overtly contradictory to what Jesus taught and what Jesus did. Now, not only are you still persisting in an enormous digression and an overt attempt to hijack someone else's op, but you have also now also exceeded the three strikes rule.

I'll have nothing more to do with discussing any of this with you in this thread unless and until you get on topic and contribute something cogent to the meaning of "born again."

 

[grace2]

It is consider dead as in as dying coming to a end . Believers have a new spirit not subject to death with a promise of a new incorruptible body all receive in the twinkling of the eye

Everyone is subject to death if they are not faithful.

 

[Josheb]

Everyone is subject to death if they are not faithful.

Everyone is subject to death if they are faithful.

 

[Mr GLee]

Everyone is subject to death if they are not faithful.

Every one living has a dead or dying spirit .

Christ considers all of mankind dead so he can have mercy seasoned with grace on many .

Many suffer the wage of sin eternal separation dally. Yoked with Christ he can make our burden lighter.

 

[grace2]

Every one living has a dead or dying spirit .

Christ considers all of mankind dead so he can have mercy seasoned with grace on many .

Many suffer the wage of sin eternal separation dally. Yoked with Christ he can make our burden lighter.

We will have eternal life, meaning a living spirit on judgment day.

I don't believe you know what you are talking about.

 

[Mr GLee]

We will have eternal life, meaning a living spirit on judgment day.

I don't believe you know what you are talking about.

We have the spirit as our new birth , the promise of a new body in the new heavens and earth

Ezekiel 18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

 

[grace2]

We have the spirit as our new birth , the promise of a new body in the new heavens and earth

We all are born with spirit. but not an immortal spirit.

The living spirit is only given by God.

You talk like a Calvinist.

Calvinists believe OSAS. that's what you have been talking about.

Are you a Calvinist?

You have adopted a little big of this and a little bit of that.

That's why no one can understand you.

You need to read the bible. Not anyone's theology.

 

[TonyChanYT]

It is consider dead as in as dying coming to a end .

Let proposition P1 = I, Mr. GLee, had a human spirit before I was born again.

Is P1 true?

 

[Mr GLee]

Let proposition P1 = I, Mr. GLee, had a human spirit before I was born again.

Is P1 true?

You can call that a spirit a human spirit, dead no powder not little none. Dead in trespasses and sin
His Spirit gives life, raising us from the dead; It raised us up and in in heavenly places when we are first given His faith, as a labor of his love. The gift of eternal life

A few verse. .

Luke 20 37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

John 11:25Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

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[Mr GLee]

We all are born with spirit. but not an immortal spirit.

The living spirit is only given by God.

You talk like a Calvinist.

Calvinists believe OSAS. that's what you have been talking about.

Are you a Calvinist?

You have adopted a little big of this and a little bit of that.

That's why no one can understand you.

You need to read the bible. Not anyone's theology.

Hi Thanks

You might need to study ?

Calvin is dead .

I do believe when God saves us it is forever or what you call OSAS.

Other wise how would you call it salvation? And not a jump start?

I would beleive either Christ the Holy Spirit does all the work, or he does nothing? If our Holy Father has begun a good work in us promises he finish.

Revelation 1:8I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty

 

[grace2]

Calvin is dead .

He still is very much alive in spirit who follows his teachings.

get real, friend.

 

[Mr GLee]

He still is very much alive in spirit who follows his teachings.

get real, friend.

LOL How real friend?

Anyone that follows the Holy Spirit, the teachings of the Holy Father. . . . . could never die

Our Holy Father as the one Spirit of truth is alive and dwells in the new hearts of new creatures . the work of gospel softening it with what is called the water of the living word The doctrines of God that fall like rain inspired from above.

Our invisible head the husband of the bride, Christ

Job gives us a prescription to help aid the understand the eternal things of God Job describes the Holy Father.

I beleive enriching our understanding. Or at least mine . One those that seem to jump off the page .

Job 23:12-16 Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips; I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food. But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth. For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him. Therefore am I troubled at his presence: when I consider, I am afraid of him. For God maketh my heart soft, and the Almighty troubleth me:

How soft? Gospel soft

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Like myself some are slower learners or like Peter, unlike John or Paul . Non where like the Son of man Jesus the A+ disciple (student of the father) the one teacher . Jesus goes to the head of the class as a shining example a reflection of Glorious teacher .

 

[grace2]

LOL How real friend?

Look at at you. You follow Calvin's teaching and don't even realize it.

but you follow many of strange teachings. How many did you convince with your preaching? None.

I have known you for many years. You have no idea what you are following.

plucking here and there.

You need to stop pretending you know it all.

You cannot even identify your faith.

Are you a non-trin?

You have never answered clearly in the past.

 

[Mr GLee]

Look at at you. You follow Calvin's teaching and don't even realize it.

but you follow many of strange teachings. How many did you convince with your preaching? None.

I have known you for many years. You have no idea what you are following.

plucking here and there.

You need to stop pretending you know it all.

You cannot even identify your faith.

Are you a non-trin?

You have never answered clearly in the past.

Thanks sorry I missed it I'm slow

I thought Calvin was dead?

Believers I would offer must be careful how we hear who and what we say we do. Many false prophets bringing oral traditons of dying mankind

When I first studying 40 some years ago many things seem strange like upside down world . I was not used to did not know how to seek spiritual understanding coming from our unseen Holy father

You could say drinking the milk of the living word, it teaches God is gracious . Meat I a different more matured undrrstanding, can come later,

Babes in Christ need milk they have no understanding with our Father. He weans us off .

.Believers never out grow the need for the grace of God milk of the word. With every meal must it be must accompanied . Milk builds strong bones of faith (the unseen things of God) . Got milk ?LOL

Strange as in hard to understand to understand ? Like when Jesus spoke parables even his own family thought he went of the deep end just like the apostles .I would thing the most misunderstood person that ever walked on water. Seems he would of died of loneliness if not for the love of Father

Trinity . The word three is used throughout scripture to signify the end of matter . I lean more towards duality.. . Dynamic Dual " Two working as one The unseen eternal father working in the temporal Son of man in order to display the power of the Holy Father, demonstrated to the whole world .

Make a great Bible study by which ew can seek the unseen things the gospels understanding

 

[grace2]

I thought Calvin was dead?

Are you a non-trin or not?

You have been dodging this question.