What does "Deity of Christ" mean?

[Binyawmene]

What does "Deity of Christ" mean? The Greek word Θεότητος (or theotés) is mentioned one time in the Bible, specifically in the New Testament, which is in reference to the Son. And that is found in Colossians 2:9 "...πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τῆς Θεότητος σωματικῶς." Now if you take the Greek word theotés, the theo means "God" and tes means "quality." The tes is the same concept as our English suffixes such as [-ship, -ness, or -hood], or the personal subject has the quality of "Godship, Godness, Godhood, and also as "Godhead." So theotes is define as "a state or quality of being God i.e. Godness" -- all things, everything that belongs to the Divine Nature, including the attributes, etc. or anything that expresses the quality of Godness "in bodily form," or "in the flesh."

How do I demonstrate the Deity of Christ? A Trinitarian identifies the Deity of Christ by making parallels between the Son's qualities of Godness and the Father who is known as God. For example, "only God our Savior" (Jude 25) in reference to the Father, and "our God and Savior Jesus Christ" (2 Peter 1:1) in reference to the Son. Because the Son possesses those Godness qualities that the Father alone possesses. Like, the Son's equality with the Father, divine titles, divine attributes, and worship, etc. And pointing out the Deity of Christ is how we demonstrate the Divine Nature. Here is something basic to demonstrate the Deity of Christ:

1). Scriptural reference for 'Equality with the Father': (John 5:18, Philippians 2:6).

Jesus Christ is Co-equal in "working" (John 5:17-19, 14:8-11).
Jesus Christ is Co-equal in "honoring" (John 5:23).
Jesus Christ is Co-equal in "knowing" (John 8:19).
Jesus Christ is Co-equal in "security" (John 10:28-30).
Jesus Christ is Co-equal in "believing" (John 12:44-45, 14:1).
Jesus Christ is Co-equal in "acceptance" (John 13:20, Matthew 10:40, Mark 9:37).
Jesus Christ is Co-equal in "hating" (John 15:23-24, Luke 10:16, 1 John 2:22).
Jesus Christ's Equality with the Father is according to the Divine Nature.​

2). Scriptural reference for 'Divine Titles and Names': (Philippians 2:9, Revelations 19:12).

Jesus Christ is the "I AM" (John 8:58, Exodus 3:14).
Jesus Christ is the "True God" (1 John 5:20).
Jesus Christ is the "Rock" (1 Corinthians 10:4, Exodus 17:6).
Jesus Christ is the "Emmanuel" (Matthew 1:23, Isaiah 9:6).
Jesus Christ is the "Lord of Glory" (1 Corinthians 2:8).
Jesus Christ is the "Alpha and Omega" (Revelation 1:8; 22:13, Isaiah 44:6).
Jesus Christ is the "Lord of All" (Acts 10:36).
Jesus Christ's Divine Titles and Names is according to the Divine Nature.​

3). Scriptural reference for 'Jesus Christ is LORD': (Revelations 17:14, 19:16, 1 Timothy 6:15).

Jesus "Christ as Lord" (1 Peter 3:15).
Jesus Christ is "one Lord" (1 Corinthians 8:6, Deuteronomy 6:4, Ephesians 4:5).
Jesus Christ is "only Sovereign and Lord" (Jude 1:4, Revelations 6:10).
Jesus Christ is "LORD your God" (Jude 1:5, Deuteronomy 5:6).
Jesus Christ is "Lord" (Romans 10:9-13, Joel 2:32).
Jesus Christ is "Lord and Savior" (2 Peter 1:11, 2:20, 3:18).
Jesus Christ is the "same Lord" (1 Corinthians 12:5).
Jesus Christ's Divine is Lord is according to the Divine Nature.​

Are you getting the basic idea of what Trinitarians mean when we say, "Deity of Christ?"

 

[Fred]

What does "Deity of Christ" mean? The Greek word Θεότητος (or theotés) is mentioned one time in the Bible, specifically in the New Testament, which is in reference to the Son. And that is found in Colossians 2:9 "...πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τῆς Θεότητος σωματικῶς." Now if you take the Greek word theotés, the theo means "God" and tes means "quality." The tes is the same concept as our English suffixes such as [-ship, -ness, or -hood], or the personal subject has the quality of "Godship, Godness, Godhood, and also as "Godhead." So theotes is define as "a state or quality of being God i.e. Godness"

https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/yahweh-301-302-or-trinity-301-302.1026/page-4#post-38390

 

[Binyawmene]

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Amen. I always enjoy reading your posts, Fred. There is also another verse you can demonstrate "a state or quality of being God i.e. Godness" found in John 1:1c. The thing is, Trinitarians don't isolate the Father as the only sole person of God. When we speak about the persons alone distinctively, that doesn't mean the persons are separated or divided into another god. There is only one undivided and indivisible Divine Nature. Each person of the Trinity is completely and fully God indivisibly. And each person has the whole fullness of God's being in himself when spoken about distinctively. In reference to the Son who is wholly and fully God indivisibly and the Son possesses the whole being of God in himself when spoken about distinctively. So, when we speak about the three persons distinctively, specifically the Son alone, then he is all of God's being. Here is a verse about the Son alone distinctively:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.​

Then the verse makes its conclusion in John 1:1c "the Word," is a definite nominative that precedes the verb “was,” is anarthrous, by refers to the qualities of “God” in the Greek θεός - transliteration theos is in possession by the Logos. Since anarthrous nouns are qualitative. The qualitative noun places the stress on the quality, the nature, or the essence of God. In other words, both the Father and the Son has the same Divine Nature, the Logos is identified as the Son, and the Son possesses the whole being of God in himself.

 

[Fred]

Amen. I always enjoy reading your posts, Fred. There is also another verse you can demonstrate "a state or quality of being God i.e. Godness" found in John 1:1c. The thing is, Trinitarians don't isolate the Father as the only sole person of God. When we speak about the persons alone distinctively, that doesn't mean the persons are separated or divided into another god. There is only one undivided and indivisible Divine Nature. Each person of the Trinity is completely and fully God indivisibly. And each person has the whole fullness of God's being in himself when spoken about distinctively. In reference to the Son who is wholly and fully God indivisibly and the Son possesses the whole being of God in himself when spoken about distinctively. So, when we speak about the three persons distinctively, specifically the Son alone, then he is all of God's being. Here is a verse about the Son alone distinctively:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.​

Then the verse makes its conclusion in John 1:1c "the Word," is a definite nominative that precedes the verb “was,” is anarthrous, by refers to the qualities of “God” in the Greek θεός - transliteration theos is in possession by the Logos. Since anarthrous nouns are qualitative. The qualitative noun places the stress on the quality, the nature, or the essence of God. In other words, both the Father and the Son has the same Divine Nature, the Logos is identified as the Son, and the Son possesses the whole being of God in himself.

Excellent!

 

[Soyeong]

What does "Deity of Christ" mean? The Greek word Θεότητος (or theotés) is mentioned one time in the Bible, specifically in the New Testament, which is in reference to the Son. And that is found in Colossians 2:9 "...πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τῆς Θεότητος σωματικῶς." Now if you take the Greek word theotés, the theo means "God" and tes means "quality." The tes is the same concept as our English suffixes such as [-ship, -ness, or -hood], or the personal subject has the quality of "Godship, Godness, Godhood, and also as "Godhead." So theotes is define as "a state or quality of being God i.e. Godness" -- all things, everything that belongs to the Divine Nature, including the attributes, etc. or anything that expresses the quality of Godness "in bodily form," or "in the flesh."

How do I demonstrate the Deity of Christ? A Trinitarian identifies the Deity of Christ by making parallels between the Son's qualities of Godness and the Father who is known as God. For example, "only God our Savior" (Jude 25) in reference to the Father, and "our God and Savior Jesus Christ" (2 Peter 1:1) in reference to the Son. Because the Son possesses those Godness qualities that the Father alone possesses. Like, the Son's equality with the Father, divine titles, divine attributes, and worship, etc. And pointing out the Deity of Christ is how we demonstrate the Divine Nature. Here is something basic to demonstrate the Deity of Christ:

1). Scriptural reference for 'Equality with the Father': (John 5:18, Philippians 2:6).

Jesus Christ is Co-equal in "working" (John 5:17-19, 14:8-11).​

Jesus Christ is Co-equal in "honoring" (John 5:23).​

Jesus Christ is Co-equal in "knowing" (John 8:19).​

Jesus Christ is Co-equal in "security" (John 10:28-30).​

Jesus Christ is Co-equal in "believing" (John 12:44-45, 14:1).​

Jesus Christ is Co-equal in "acceptance" (John 13:20, Matthew 10:40, Mark 9:37).​

Jesus Christ is Co-equal in "hating" (John 15:23-24, Luke 10:16, 1 John 2:22).​

Jesus Christ's Equality with the Father is according to the Divine Nature.​

2). Scriptural reference for 'Divine Titles and Names': (Philippians 2:9, Revelations 19:12).

Jesus Christ is the "I AM" (John 8:58, Exodus 3:14).​

Jesus Christ is the "True God" (1 John 5:20).​

Jesus Christ is the "Rock" (1 Corinthians 10:4, Exodus 17:6).​

Jesus Christ is the "Emmanuel" (Matthew 1:23, Isaiah 9:6).​

Jesus Christ is the "Lord of Glory" (1 Corinthians 2:8).​

Jesus Christ is the "Alpha and Omega" (Revelation 1:8; 22:13, Isaiah 44:6).​

Jesus Christ is the "Lord of All" (Acts 10:36).​

Jesus Christ's Divine Titles and Names is according to the Divine Nature.​

3). Scriptural reference for 'Jesus Christ is LORD': (Revelations 17:14, 19:16, 1 Timothy 6:15).

Jesus "Christ as Lord" (1 Peter 3:15).​

Jesus Christ is "one Lord" (1 Corinthians 8:6, Deuteronomy 6:4, Ephesians 4:5).​

Jesus Christ is "only Sovereign and Lord" (Jude 1:4, Revelations 6:10).​

Jesus Christ is "LORD your God" (Jude 1:5, Deuteronomy 5:6).​

Jesus Christ is "Lord" (Romans 10:9-13, Joel 2:32).​

Jesus Christ is "Lord and Savior" (2 Peter 1:11, 2:20, 3:18).​

Jesus Christ is the "same Lord" (1 Corinthians 12:5).​

Jesus Christ's Divine is Lord is according to the Divine Nature.​

Are you getting the basic idea of what Trinitarians mean when we say, "Deity of Christ?"

The Son is the image of the invisible God (Colossians 1:5) and the radiance of God's glory and the exact image of God's nature (Hebrew 1:3), so while we can't see invisible traits like like righteousness, holiness, goodness, justice, mercy, faithfulness, love, joy, peace, kindness, gentleness, self-control, the Son is the personification of those traits in the form of a body that we can see expressed through living in sinless obedience to God's word, or in other words, he is God's word made flesh and he is who we see when we look at the Father. The problem with idolatry is that it misrepresents the nature of God, so if the Son were anything less than the exact image of God's nature, then worshiping him as God would have been idolatry. The way to worship the Father is through partaking in the divine nature by expressing His traits, which means that the way to worship the Father is identical to the way to worship the Son. For example, doing charity is a way to worship both the Father and the Son.

 

[Binyawmene]

The Son is the image of the invisible God (Colossians 1:5) and the radiance of God's glory and the exact image of God's nature (Hebrew 1:3), so while we can't see invisible traits like like righteousness, holiness, goodness, justice, mercy, faithfulness, love, joy, peace, kindness, gentleness, self-control,

Traits? Theologically there is a difference between "attributes" and "qualities." Like, "God is spirit" and "God is love" are substantial qualities or properties is what makes up the substance/nature/essence what it fundamentally is. For example: "The apple is red." The apple is the substance and redness is the substantial quality or property that inheres (exist essentially and permanently in) the substance of an apple. Also, we cannot place the Divine Nature underneath a microscope for experimental and observational studies. The Divine Nature is spiritual and not physical substance like an apple. The Bible can only tell us about certain substantial qualities of God's nature, like: Love, Divine, Spiritual, and Invisible, etc. It's the Divine Nature that has the invisible image and Christ's human nature is in the visible bodily image (Colossians 1:15).

Now take the Greek word ὑποστάσεως (or hupostasis), which is mentioned four times in the New Testament, and one time in reference to the Son. And that is found in Hebrews 1:3 "καὶ χαρακτὴρ τῆς ὑποστάσεως αὐτοῦ." The Son is the exact expression of the Father's hupostasis. So, within this verse it declares two hupostases. The Father's hupostasis mention in the singular, and the Son's hupostasis, which is clearly implied by "the exact expression of the hupostasis." According to Thayer's Greek Lexicon, STRONGS NT 5287: ὑπόστασις, states:

b. the substantial quality, nature, of any person or thing: τοῦ Θεοῦ (R. V. substance), Hebrews 1:3​

What is that particular 'substantial quality or essential property' of a substance? From my studies, the word substance is not Greek, but a Latin word for substantia, which is a nature or a essence. While the definition for subsistence or sub means "under" and sto "to stand," and that Latin word subsistence has the same meaning in the Greek for hupostasis, from huper means "under" and histayme "to stand." In other words, both Latin subsistence and Greek hupostasis would be the underpinning, underlying, or foundation, which gives off the notion of "that which subsists in another" or that reality that lies underneath a substance/nature/essence that gives its existence. Therefore, a hupostasis is "the real underlying reality (or essential intrinsic inherent fundamental basis) of factual existence." And we call hupostasis a person and not a substance or nature.

the Son is the personification of those traits in the form of a body that we can see expressed through living in sinless obedience to God's word, or in other words, he is God's word made flesh and he is who we see when we look at the Father.

The Son-person, the "person" is not a personification. The substantial qualities or properties for instance, "spiritual" and "invisible" belongs to the substance/nature/essence, and not of the person/subsistence. There is only one God and one invisible image. The persons of the Trinity are not three invisible images, and the Son-person also is not a personification in physical visible bodily image.

Now in John 14:9 "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father" The first indication is a perfect active participle "has seen me" and the second is a perfect active indicative "has seen the Father" - which the participle is acting substantively ("the person who has seen") this is specifically understood to be Philip or in the general sense to be understood to whoever the person that has "seen." So, what is being seen in Greek ὁράω is to perceive or obtain 'revelational' knowledge 'about and by' Jesus Christ 'himself' who is the REVELATION OF GOD, the invisible things of God the Father can be made visible in Jesus Christ through the works that was performed and not a personification.

The problem with idolatry is that it misrepresents the nature of God, so if the Son were anything less than the exact image of God's nature, then worshiping him as God would have been idolatry. The way to worship the Father is through partaking in the divine nature by expressing His traits, which means that the way to worship the Father is identical to the way to worship the Son. For example, doing charity is a way to worship both the Father and the Son.

The other day ago when I was doing research on the Deity of Christ, I came across this website which seem quite interesting. I haven't taken the time to thoroughly examine it Scripturally. It would be interesting to hear your logical analytical critique and assessment.

 

[Mr GLee]

What does "Deity of Christ" mean? The Greek word Θεότητος (or theotés) is mentioned one time in the Bible, specifically in the New Testament, which is in reference to the Son. And that is found in Colossians 2:9 "...πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τῆς Θεότητος σωματικῶς." Now if you take the Greek word theotés, the theo means "God" and tes means "quality." The tes is the same concept as our English suffixes such as [-ship, -ness, or -hood], or the personal subject has the quality of "Godship, Godness, Godhood, and also as "Godhead." So theotes is define as "a state or quality of being God i.e. Godness" -- all things, everything that belongs to the Divine Nature, including the attributes, etc. or anything that expresses the quality of Godness "in bodily form," or "in the flesh."

How do I demonstrate the Deity of Christ? A Trinitarian identifies the Deity of Christ by making parallels between the Son's qualities of Godness and the Father who is known as God. For example, "only God our Savior" (Jude 25) in reference to the Father, and "our God and Savior Jesus Christ" (2 Peter 1:1) in reference to the Son. Because the Son possesses those Godness qualities that the Father alone possesses. Like, the Son's equality with the Father, divine titles, divine attributes, and worship, etc. And pointing out the Deity of Christ is how we demonstrate the Divine Nature. Here is something basic to demonstrate the Deity of Christ:

1). Scriptural reference for 'Equality with the Father': (John 5:18, Philippians 2:6).

Jesus Christ is Co-equal in "working" (John 5:17-19, 14:8-11).​

Jesus Christ is Co-equal in "honoring" (John 5:23).​

Jesus Christ is Co-equal in "knowing" (John 8:19).​

Jesus Christ is Co-equal in "security" (John 10:28-30).​

Jesus Christ is Co-equal in "believing" (John 12:44-45, 14:1).​

Jesus Christ is Co-equal in "acceptance" (John 13:20, Matthew 10:40, Mark 9:37).​

Jesus Christ is Co-equal in "hating" (John 15:23-24, Luke 10:16, 1 John 2:22).​

Jesus Christ's Equality with the Father is according to the Divine Nature.​

2). Scriptural reference for 'Divine Titles and Names': (Philippians 2:9, Revelations 19:12).

Jesus Christ is the "I AM" (John 8:58, Exodus 3:14).​

Jesus Christ is the "True God" (1 John 5:20).​

Jesus Christ is the "Rock" (1 Corinthians 10:4, Exodus 17:6).​

Jesus Christ is the "Emmanuel" (Matthew 1:23, Isaiah 9:6).​

Jesus Christ is the "Lord of Glory" (1 Corinthians 2:8).​

Jesus Christ is the "Alpha and Omega" (Revelation 1:8; 22:13, Isaiah 44:6).​

Jesus Christ is the "Lord of All" (Acts 10:36).​

Jesus Christ's Divine Titles and Names is according to the Divine Nature.​

3). Scriptural reference for 'Jesus Christ is LORD': (Revelations 17:14, 19:16, 1 Timothy 6:15).

Jesus "Christ as Lord" (1 Peter 3:15).​

Jesus Christ is "one Lord" (1 Corinthians 8:6, Deuteronomy 6:4, Ephesians 4:5).​

Jesus Christ is "only Sovereign and Lord" (Jude 1:4, Revelations 6:10).​

Jesus Christ is "LORD your God" (Jude 1:5, Deuteronomy 5:6).​

Jesus Christ is "Lord" (Romans 10:9-13, Joel 2:32).​

Jesus Christ is "Lord and Savior" (2 Peter 1:11, 2:20, 3:18).​

Jesus Christ is the "same Lord" (1 Corinthians 12:5).​

Jesus Christ's Divine is Lord is according to the Divine Nature.​

Are you getting the basic idea of what Trinitarians mean when we say, "Deity of Christ?"

The deity of Christ. The one good teaching master as lord is of Christ . .Not the Son of man Jesus living in a earthen body of death

God is not a man and neither is there any fleshly infalible interpreter that umpires set between God not seen and mankind seen.

 

[Fred]

The deity of Christ. The one good teaching master as lord is of Christ . .Not the Son of man

Yes, Jesis is God as the Son of Man.

https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/the-trinity.337/page-18#post-59056

 

[Binyawmene]

The deity of Christ.

I know that Oneness groups believes in the Deity of Christ too. They view Jesus Christ is Deity by the means of the Father in the Son, but the Father is not the Son. While in Trinitarianism the Deity of Christ is refer to the Son alone distinctively from the Father.

The one good teaching master as lord is of Christ .

Even Jehovah's Witness teaches small cases "l" (lord) and "g" (god). But that wouldn't be Deity like the way Colossians 2:9 present it. That would be more like a demi-god or demi-lord.

.Not the Son of man Jesus living in a earthen body of death

I believe that divine power (omnipotent) can transfer through the human nature of Christ, but the human nature itself doesn't inherently own the property of omnipotence. For instance, Jesus is walking on the lake (Matthew 14:25). Could you imagine the soles of his feet touching the surface of the water without immediately dropping and sinking through the water? The miraculous power is not derived from his human nature, rather it came from his Divine Nature and through the human nature.

Or in Matthew 8:3 Jesus reached out his hand and touched the man. "I am willing," he said. "Be clean!" This was done from the personal pronoun "I" according to the Divine Nature and not from the Father or the Holy Spirit. Healing power was transfer from the touch of his hand. And also, this miraculous power came from the Divine Nature' own prerogative which contains the omnipotence power that's manifesting in bodily form. This power went through his body, and then, conferred that power upon others. It might not have been the full extent of omnipotent power, but those people got a small percentage of omnipotence that healed them.

Luke 6:19 and the people all tried to touch him, because power was coming from him and healing them all.

Luke 8:46 But Jesus said, "Someone touched me; I know that power has gone out from me.​

God is not a man and neither is there any fleshly infalible interpreter that umpires set between God not seen and mankind seen.

Yes, God is not literally a man. But in context, God is not a man in the sense that he doesn't lie or is unfaithful, etc. like how man is. What do you consider yourself to be? Oneness or Jehovah's Witness? Other?

 

[Mr GLee]

Even Jehovah's Witness teaches small cases "l" (lord) and "g" (god). But that wouldn't be Deity like the way Colossians 2:9 present it. That would be more like a demi-god or demi-lord.

Yes many gods . not the one Lord of earthy dying lords .

Jesus the Son of man as lord . the Holy Father the Lord of lords

On one occasion one came and kneeled before the Son of man Jesus as if he was the Lord of lords The son of man Jesus refusing to blaspheme His Father. He as earthly lord revealed the true Lord of earthy lords our one Good Teaching Master

Mark 10:16-18King James Version And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

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[Fred]

Yes many gods . not the one Lord of earthy dying lords .

Jesus the Son of man as lord . the Holy Father the Lord of lords

Jesus is Lord of lords (Revelation 17:14; 19:16).

On one occasion one came and kneeled before the Son of man Jesus as if he was the Lord of lords The son of man Jesus refusing to blaspheme His Father. He as earthly lord revealed the true Lord of earthy lords our one Good Teaching Master

Mark 10:16-18King James Version And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Asking does not necessitate denying.

 

[Runningman]

What does "Deity of Christ" mean? The Greek word Θεότητος (or theotés) is mentioned one time in the Bible, specifically in the New Testament, which is in reference to the Son. And that is found in Colossians 2:9 "...πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τῆς Θεότητος σωματικῶς." Now if you take the Greek word theotés, the theo means "God" and tes means "quality." The tes is the same concept as our English suffixes such as [-ship, -ness, or -hood], or the personal subject has the quality of "Godship, Godness, Godhood, and also as "Godhead." So theotes is define as "a state or quality of being God i.e. Godness" -- all things, everything that belongs to the Divine Nature, including the attributes, etc. or anything that expresses the quality of Godness "in bodily form," or "in the flesh."

Jesus and other Christians can have the divine nature (2 Peter 1:4) without themselves being God, i.e., godly. Colossians 1:15 says Jesus is in the image of God because an image isn't the original therefore Jesus isn't God. A human isn't God regardless of the commonalities they share with God because a human being as God is rank idolatry, it's sin. Why explicit declarations about Jesus allegedly being God aren't in the Bible is because it isn't a Biblical doctrine.

God isn't a human, i,.e., Jesus is not God.​

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Numbers 23​

19God is not a man, that He should lie,​

or a son of man, that He should change His mind.​

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Jesus is created, God isn't, i.e., worshipping Jesus as God is a sin.​

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Romans 1​

25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is forever worthy of praise! Amen.​

How do I demonstrate the Deity of Christ? A Trinitarian identifies the Deity of Christ by making parallels between the Son's qualities of Godness and the Father who is known as God. For example, "only God our Savior" (Jude 25)

John 3:16 says God saves the world through Jesus. God saves, but Jesus is instrumental. They can both work together without them both being God.

in reference to the Father, and "our God and Savior Jesus Christ" (2 Peter 1:1) in reference to the Son.

That's two different persons. If you will read 2 Peter 1:2 you will see the distinction more clearly.

Because the Son possesses those Godness qualities that the Father alone possesses. Like, the Son's equality with the Father,

Nope. Jesus said the Father is greater than himself therefore they are not equals.

John 10​

29My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all...​

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John 14​

28...the Father is greater than I.​

divine titles,

They do not share all of the same names/titles. For example, Jesus is not God, the I AM, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, nor YHWH just to name a few.

divine attributes

Jesus is not omniscient, omnipotent, or omnipresent. Jesus has the same nature as his God and Father, but he isn't God.

and worship,

Jesus is never worshipped in all of scripture as God. When Jesus was bowed to, whether in heaven or earth, it was in regard to his status as Son of God, but only the Father gets the glory.

Philippians 2
10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

1). Scriptural reference for 'Equality with the Father': (John 5:18, Philippians 2:6).

This does not say Jesus is equal with God.

Jesus Christ is Co-equal in "working" (John 5:17-19, 14:8-11).​

Jesus said we can do greater works than him. John 14:12.

Jesus Christ is Co-equal in "honoring" (John 5:23).​

Because God committed judgement to Jesus.

Jesus Christ is Co-equal in "knowing" (John 8:19).​

Jesus isn't omniscient.

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Matt 24​

36No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.​

Jesus Christ is Co-equal in "security" (John 10:28-30).​

I agree with this, but that refers to John 3:16 in which God saves the world through Jesus. That isn't co-equality.

Jesus Christ is Co-equal in "believing" (John 12:44-45, 14:1).​

That isn't what it says.

Jesus Christ is Co-equal in "acceptance" (John 13:20, Matthew 10:40, Mark 9:37).​

Because the words Jesus got from God are the words of eternal life. John 12:49

Jesus Christ is Co-equal in "hating" (John 15:23-24, Luke 10:16, 1 John 2:22).​

Normal humans are capable of hate.

2). Scriptural reference for 'Divine Titles and Names': (Philippians 2:9, Revelations 19:12).

Jesus Christ is the "I AM" (John 8:58, Exodus 3:14).​

This says the I AM is YHWH, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. That isn't Jesus according to Acts 3:13. Jesus is his servant. John 8:58 isn't a claim to being God.

Jesus Christ is the "True God" (1 John 5:20).​

In 1 John 5:20, "he is the true God" is a reference back to the last mentioned God, the Father. John 17:3, 1 Thessalonians 1:9,10, Jeremiah 10:10, and 1 John 5:20 each explicitly call the Father the true God.

Jesus Christ is the "Rock" (1 Corinthians 10:4, Exodus 17:6).​

Peter is also called the rock. It isn't a divine title that indicates deity .Matt 16:18

Jesus Christ is the "Emmanuel" (Matthew 1:23, Isaiah 9:6).​

That isn't a divine title shared with God.

Jesus Christ is the "Lord of Glory" (1 Corinthians 2:8).​

Jesus Christ is the "Alpha and Omega" (Revelation 1:8; 22:13, Isaiah 44:6).​

Jesus Christ is the "Lord of All" (Acts 10:36).​

They apply to specific contexts within the church.

3). Scriptural reference for 'Jesus Christ is LORD': (Revelations 17:14, 19:16, 1 Timothy 6:15).

Jesus is not the LORD (YHWH) according to Psalm 110:1

Jesus "Christ as Lord" (1 Peter 3:15).​

Lord of the church. Ephesians 1:22-23

Jesus Christ is "one Lord" (1 Corinthians 8:6, Deuteronomy 6:4, Ephesians 4:5).​

Begin with how 1 Corinthians 8:6 says the One God is the Father.

Jesus Christ is "only Sovereign and Lord" (Jude 1:4, Revelations 6:10).​

Those do not say what you claim they do. I am not sure which version you are reading but that's a problem.

Acts 4:23-31 say the Sovereign Lord is God while Jesus is his servant. That means he isn't the sovereign Lord and creator.

Jesus Christ is "LORD your God" (Jude 1:5, Deuteronomy 5:6).​

That is not what it says. What are you seeing? Psalm 110:1 says YHWH and Jesus aren't the same.

Jesus Christ is "Lord" (Romans 10:9-13, Joel 2:32).​

Lord is not equal to LORD

Jesus Christ is "Lord and Savior" (2 Peter 1:11, 2:20, 3:18).​

That doesn't refer to deity.

Jesus Christ is the "same Lord" (1 Corinthians 12:5).​

This is about being Lord of the church, which God appointed him.

Jesus Christ's Divine is Lord is according to the Divine Nature.​

Regular Christians have the divine nature too.

2 Peter 1​

4Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.​

Are you getting the basic idea of what Trinitarians mean when we say, "Deity of Christ?"

No, it's heresy.

 

[Mr GLee]

Jesus is Lord of lords (Revelation 17:14; 19:16).

Yes, Jesus the Christ the anointing teaching master (our Abba Father) not Jesus the Son of man our "brother" in the Lord.

Matthew 12:50For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

God is not a Jewish man . That's the wiles of the devil he would try convince the world and make God a Jewish man.

 

[Fred]

Numbers 23

19God is not a man, that He should lie,​

or a son of man, that He should change His mind.​

Jesus never lied.
Thus, you ignore what is being contrasted.

Jesus is never worshipped in all of scripture as God. When Jesus was bowed to, whether in heaven or earth, it was in regardless to his status as Son of God, but only the Father gets the glory.

The above is false.
Jesus also receives "glory" in worship. This is in equality with the Father.
Revelation 5:13
And every creature which is in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all who are in them, heard I saying, The blessing, and the honor, and the glory, and the dominion, be unto Him who sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb forever and ever.

Acts 4:23-31 say the Sovereign Lord is God while Jesus is his servant. That means he isn't the sovereign Lord and creator.

The same Greek word for "Sovereign Lord "that every Christian has refers to Jesus (Jude 4).

 

[Fred]

Yes, Jesus the Christ the anointing teaching master (our Abba Father) not Jesus the Son of man

The above is false because that is what Jesus is specifically referred to as in Revelation 1:13.

 

[Mr GLee]

The above is false because that is what Jesus is specifically referred to as in Revelation 1:13.

"Like the son of man" not literally the son of man our brother in the Lord

Two choices . Jesus the Son of man our brother in the Lord or Jesus the Christ the father the infallible teacher?

Satan would say God is a Jewish man. he fell into a bottomless pit no longer deceiving the whole world the the son of man jesu as a Jew is Lord of earthy lords. and King of earthly kings

The first century reformation came restoring the proper government of the Holy Father

 

[Mr GLee]

The above is false.
Jesus also receives "glory" in worship. This is in equality with the Father.

He was a reflection of the glory of the father just as the Sun and Moon .

Man a creation is not equal with the father, the Faithful and True Creator

 

[Fred]

Two choices . Jesus the Son of man our brother in the Lord or Jesus the Christ the father the infallible teacher?

Jesus is the Son of Man who is God in that He is the proper recipient of prayer.

 

[Fred]

He was a reflection of the glory of the father just as the Sun and Moon .

And yet He still receives 'glory' in equality with the Father in worship.

 

[Runningman]

Jesus never lied.
Thus, you ignore what is being contrasted.

Jesus can lie because he's a man, God cannot lie. Jesus was tempted in every way as we are, yes, even tempted to lie. God cannot be tempted. Big difference my friend.

Titus 1​

2in the hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began.​

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Hebrews 4​

15For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who was tempted in every way that we are, yet was without sin. ​

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James 1​

13When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone.​

The above is false.
Jesus also receives "glory" in worship. This is in equality with the Father.
Revelation 5:13
And every creature which is in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all who are in them, heard I saying, The blessing, and the honor, and the glory, and the dominion, be unto Him who sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb forever and ever.

Receiving glory has nothing to do with being God. We, too, can be glorified with Jesus. Jesus gave glory to his disciples. You're conflating God's exclusive glory with the glory others have.

Romans 8​

17And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ—if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him.​

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John 17​

22I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one​

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The same Greek word for "Sovereign Lord "that every Christian has refers to Jesus (Jude 4).

That isn't a common translation because it confuses Jesus with God. Jesus is Lord of the church, but not literally Lord over all. For example, Jesus is not God because He isn't equal to God or above Him.

1 Corinthians 15​

27For “God has put everything under His feet.” Now when it says that everything has been put under Him, this clearly does not include the One who put everything under Him.​