Was MacArthur a dispensationalist?

[Arial]

There are those who hold to Covenant theology who would hold that God ceased dealing with Israel the nation and the jews after AD 70 though

Are we talking about what CT is? Or are we talking about what some people who profess CT think it is---their opinion iow?

There are those who hold to Covenant theology who would hold that God ceased dealing with Israel the nation and the jews after AD 70 though, while some of us while holding to saved jews and gentiles are in same Body under same Shepard Lord Jesus right now, will still deal with national Israel and bless them at His Second Coming event

And some don't believe that. ???

 

[JesusFan]

Are we talking about what CT is? Or are we talking about what some people who profess CT think it is---their opinion iow?

And some don't believe that. ???

Which view?

 

[Arial]

Which view?

The Israel will be dealt with as a nation for a 1000 years.

Did you not read my post #19? Do you have any comment on it or is it just something to not be considered when one decides what it is they want to believe?

 

[Carbon]

There are those who hold to Covenant theology who would hold that God ceased dealing with Israel the nation and the jews after AD 70 though, while some of us while holding to saved jews and gentiles are in same Body under same Shepard Lord Jesus right now, will still deal with national Israel and bless them at His Second Coming event

Where does it teach that God will deal with national Israel? You seem to be pointing to God having two plans, two people, the Jews and the Church?

 

[Carbon]

Are we talking about what CT is? Or are we talking about what some people who profess CT think it is---their opinion iow?

Exactly!

And some don't believe that. ???

What in particular? If I may ask.

 

[Carbon]

There are those who hold to Covenant theology who would hold that God ceased dealing with Israel the nation and the jews after AD 70 though, while some of us while holding to saved jews and gentiles are in same Body under same Shepard Lord Jesus right now, will still deal with national Israel and bless them at His Second Coming event

God has never given up on Israel; there has always been a remnant.

 

[Arial]

What in particular? If I may ask.

Actually I should have split the quote of @JesusFan.

while some of us while holding to saved jews and gentiles are in same Body under same Shepard Lord Jesus right now, will still deal with national Israel and bless them at His Second Coming event

Some don't believe God will deal with national Israel separately from the church, is the particular.

And the question marks in my post are because I don't understand why his responses are "some believe this, and some believe that" as though all beliefs are equally valid and truth is unknowable. Instead of dealing with what is said and supporting what he is saying. It is a particular bee in my bonnet.

 

[Carbon]

Some don't believe God will deal with national Israel separately from the church, is the particular.

I dont believe He will either. I do not agree with replacement theology. No one replaces Israel. God has never left or will ever leave Israel, the elect Jews, but there are no promises in scripture of God dealing with National Israel as the dispensationalists believe.

 

[Arial]

I dont believe He will either. I do not agree with replacement theology. No one replaces Israel. God has never left or will ever leave Israel, the elect Jews, but there are no promises in scripture of God dealing with National Israel as the dispensationalists believe.

What seems to be ignored is the type of covenant the OC was and the type of covenant the NC is. One author calls the OC a land grant covenant and though it is not only that, but also that. Keeping the land was always conditional upon obedience to the Law. They broke that covenant and God did exactly what he said he woud do. He took the land from them and scattered them into other nations. No nation, no king, and after 70a.d. no priests and no temple.

Sure, there is a nation called Israel now, and many scattered Jews escaped to it during WW ll. But it is only approximately the land promised to Abraham and does not have a covenant relationship with God as a nation. That covenant has become obsolete.

 

[JesusFan]

Where does it teach that God will deal with national Israel? You seem to be pointing to God having two plans, two people, the Jews and the Church?

Taking the prophecies that all eyes shall behold Him at second coming, Israel shall grieve and mourn for Him as for a son, a fountain of salvation then opened in Jerusalem, and Israel shall be reborn as a nation unto God

 

[JesusFan]

Actually I should have split the quote of @JesusFan.

Some don't believe God will deal with national Israel separately from the church, is the particular.

And the question marks in my post are because I don't understand why his responses are "some believe this, and some believe that" as though all beliefs are equally valid and truth is unknowable. Instead of dealing with what is said and supporting what he is saying. It is a particular bee in my bonnet.

Was just trying to state that even among those of us holding to Covenant theology, there are differences regarding eschatology and Israel , depending if Amil/premil or Post

 

[JesusFan]

What seems to be ignored is the type of covenant the OC was and the type of covenant the NC is. One author calls the OC a land grant covenant and though it is not only that, but also that. Keeping the land was always conditional upon obedience to the Law. They broke that covenant and God did exactly what he said he woud do. He took the land from them and scattered them into other nations. No nation, no king, and after 70a.d. no priests and no temple.

Sure, there is a nation called Israel now, and many scattered Jews escaped to it during WW ll. But it is only approximately the land promised to Abraham and does not have a covenant relationship with God as a nation. That covenant has become obsolete.

Yes, we all agree that the OC is no longer in effect, as replaced by the NC, but question is does God deal with national Israel again in the Future, or stopped all dealings with them after AD 70?

 

[Carbon]

Taking the prophecies that all eyes shall behold Him at second coming, Israel shall grieve and mourn for Him as for a son, a fountain of salvation then opened in Jerusalem, and Israel shall be reborn as a nation unto God

Who is the true Israel of God?

 

[Arial]

Yes, we all agree that the OC is no longer in effect, as replaced by the NC, but question is does God deal with national Israel again in the Future, or stopped all dealings with them after AD 70?

If that is what you wish to discuss, then start a thread. This one actually has a question concerning MacArthur.

 

[Arial]

Was just trying to state that even among those of us holding to Covenant theology, there are differences regarding eschatology and Israel , depending if Amil/premil or Post

Everyone already knows that. The thread isn't about that.