Two of each key eschatology term, but one is abandoned!

[EarlyActs]

I reconsidered what I wrote earlier on this, and apologize if it is a little heavy handed. I have been discussing language and such with someone else, and apparently that got mixed in here. I am just seeing a lot of people isolating verses, and not using context, and thus interpreting just the verse, which puts it in contradiction with not just the context, but at times, with the rest of scripture. It just irks me a bit.

No the overall view of Scripture and especially the dramatic ending of the first generation is against the race-nation as such. It is totally in favor of Jews being Christian evangelists.

I have a book and cannot write out the book each time to answer people like you. But you will see that it is utterly informed of the 2st century context. THE COVENANT REVOLT. Amazon.

 

[EarlyActs]

I'm not sure where you get that he was writing to his own people. Romans 11:13 "But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, if somehow I might move to jealousy my fellow countrymen and save some of them." If you can't get this right, how can I expect you to get any of it right? It does require the future, because all Israel has not been saved yet. And yes, this is corporal. We already have the individual Jews being saved since Israel is only partially blinded, not completely.

Actually "all Israel will be saved" is best understood not isolated the way you made it, but next to the rest of scripture and prophecy. Obviously, when you isolate an idea, passage, or quote mine, you can make it say whatever you want. Just leave out the rest of the important stuff. Remember what Paul said about Israel being called by God to be His chosen people. Romans 11:28-29 "From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. Hence Paul explaining to the Gentiles he was writing to that God has not rejected Israel. God can't because the calling is irrevocable.

THE DELIVERE WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB. THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM, WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS. (capitalized because it is in my Bible.) Now, removing ungodliness from Jacob does not sound like justification, does it? God taking away their sins sounds like God is taking away their sins, right? You understand that that is connected to removing ungodliness from Jacob, correct? So it is transformative. Just as the 70 weeks prophecy in Daniel 9 is transformative. Once the 70 weeks are over, we have the result. Everlasting righteousness entering the land sounds pretty transformative to me.

Romans 11:20 (to answer with actual scripture): "For I do not want you, bretheren, to be uninformed of this mystery" [apparently still a mystery for some even with the explanation] "-- so that you will not be wise in your own estimation" [hmm...food for thought here...] that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;" It seems really clear here that the partial hardening that has happened is until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. I mean, it is right there in the verse. UNTIL the fulness of the Gentiles has come in. I'm not sure how one can be more clear then that. And you are the one who said that it's the original that is important.

until	ἄχρις (achris)	891: until, as far as	a prim. particle, preposition
the fullness	πλήρωμα (plērōma)	4138: fullness, a filling up	from pléroó
of the Gentiles	ἐθνῶν (ethnōn)	1484: a race, a nation, pl. the nations (as distinct from Isr.)	probably from a prim. root
has come	εἰσέλθῃ (eiselthē)	1525: to go in (to), enter	from eis and erchomai
in;

Even in the original language it is quite clear. If you allow the babysitter to watch TV until you are back, it is understood that that TV is turned off when you return, unless they ask if they can keep watching. You have to understand, unlike with us, everything i black and white with God. That babysitter is taking advantage of God if they keep watching TV after He has returned... and He won't have it. Why does everything come out with man on top of God? It is your interpretation that runs contrary to the clear, concise, inspired word of God, from God's mind to Paul's pen. Things have changed since we entered the post modern and post truth age. Things don't mean what they say anymore, because we get to choose what the truth is, which is what you did above.

Okay, the death of his daughter and sickness was in 1542. He fully supported the expulsion of the Jews from Saxony in 1536. It is possible he was antisemitic all his life, but was conciliatory in an effort to convert the Jews to Christendom. As they continued to reject his calls, he became more and more vocal in his antisemitism. In a scholarly essay I read, there was no mention of any Jewish doctor's, and the paper was solely about Martin Luther's views of Jews and Judaism throughout his life. If, what you said was correct, there should have been something... anything said about it. Alas, after an hour of searching (I have a google ranger badge), I couldn't anything anywhere. I did find that she died from the plague. (Yes... that plague.)

It’s in 2 documentaries that are not Lutheran if that helps.

 

[EarlyActs]

I'm not sure where you get that he was writing to his own people. Romans 11:13 "But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, if somehow I might move to jealousy my fellow countrymen and save some of them." If you can't get this right, how can I expect you to get any of it right? It does require the future, because all Israel has not been saved yet. And yes, this is corporal. We already have the individual Jews being saved since Israel is only partially blinded, not completely.

Actually "all Israel will be saved" is best understood not isolated the way you made it, but next to the rest of scripture and prophecy. Obviously, when you isolate an idea, passage, or quote mine, you can make it say whatever you want. Just leave out the rest of the important stuff. Remember what Paul said about Israel being called by God to be His chosen people. Romans 11:28-29 "From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. Hence Paul explaining to the Gentiles he was writing to that God has not rejected Israel. God can't because the calling is irrevocable.

THE DELIVERE WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB. THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM, WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS. (capitalized because it is in my Bible.) Now, removing ungodliness from Jacob does not sound like justification, does it? God taking away their sins sounds like God is taking away their sins, right? You understand that that is connected to removing ungodliness from Jacob, correct? So it is transformative. Just as the 70 weeks prophecy in Daniel 9 is transformative. Once the 70 weeks are over, we have the result. Everlasting righteousness entering the land sounds pretty transformative to me.

Romans 11:20 (to answer with actual scripture): "For I do not want you, bretheren, to be uninformed of this mystery" [apparently still a mystery for some even with the explanation] "-- so that you will not be wise in your own estimation" [hmm...food for thought here...] that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;" It seems really clear here that the partial hardening that has happened is until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. I mean, it is right there in the verse. UNTIL the fulness of the Gentiles has come in. I'm not sure how one can be more clear then that. And you are the one who said that it's the original that is important.

until	ἄχρις (achris)	891: until, as far as	a prim. particle, preposition
the fullness	πλήρωμα (plērōma)	4138: fullness, a filling up	from pléroó
of the Gentiles	ἐθνῶν (ethnōn)	1484: a race, a nation, pl. the nations (as distinct from Isr.)	probably from a prim. root
has come	εἰσέλθῃ (eiselthē)	1525: to go in (to), enter	from eis and erchomai
in;

Even in the original language it is quite clear. If you allow the babysitter to watch TV until you are back, it is understood that that TV is turned off when you return, unless they ask if they can keep watching. You have to understand, unlike with us, everything i black and white with God. That babysitter is taking advantage of God if they keep watching TV after He has returned... and He won't have it. Why does everything come out with man on top of God? It is your interpretation that runs contrary to the clear, concise, inspired word of God, from God's mind to Paul's pen. Things have changed since we entered the post modern and post truth age. Things don't mean what they say anymore, because we get to choose what the truth is, which is what you did above.

Okay, the death of his daughter and sickness was in 1542. He fully supported the expulsion of the Jews from Saxony in 1536. It is possible he was antisemitic all his life, but was conciliatory in an effort to convert the Jews to Christendom. As they continued to reject his calls, he became more and more vocal in his antisemitism. In a scholarly essay I read, there was no mention of any Jewish doctor's, and the paper was solely about Martin Luther's views of Jews and Judaism throughout his life. If, what you said was correct, there should have been something... anything said about it. Alas, after an hour of searching (I have a google ranger badge), I couldn't anything anywhere. I did find that she died from the plague. (Yes... that plague.)

As far as (achris) is what I’m saying. You don’t have wide enough perspective; the whole mission is for the whole world so there would be no point in refocusing on a temporary goal —a land where 3 continents meet.

There is little black and white. Try the tent of David in Amos9 / Acts 15 and show that it is black and white. It’s the Jewish icon being fulfilled by Christ so that the rest of mankind would enter fellowship,

 

[EarlyActs]

I'm not sure where you get that he was writing to his own people. Romans 11:13 "But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, if somehow I might move to jealousy my fellow countrymen and save some of them." If you can't get this right, how can I expect you to get any of it right? It does require the future, because all Israel has not been saved yet. And yes, this is corporal. We already have the individual Jews being saved since Israel is only partially blinded, not completely.

Actually "all Israel will be saved" is best understood not isolated the way you made it, but next to the rest of scripture and prophecy. Obviously, when you isolate an idea, passage, or quote mine, you can make it say whatever you want. Just leave out the rest of the important stuff. Remember what Paul said about Israel being called by God to be His chosen people. Romans 11:28-29 "From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. Hence Paul explaining to the Gentiles he was writing to that God has not rejected Israel. God can't because the calling is irrevocable.

THE DELIVERE WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB. THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM, WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS. (capitalized because it is in my Bible.) Now, removing ungodliness from Jacob does not sound like justification, does it? God taking away their sins sounds like God is taking away their sins, right? You understand that that is connected to removing ungodliness from Jacob, correct? So it is transformative. Just as the 70 weeks prophecy in Daniel 9 is transformative. Once the 70 weeks are over, we have the result. Everlasting righteousness entering the land sounds pretty transformative to me.

Romans 11:20 (to answer with actual scripture): "For I do not want you, bretheren, to be uninformed of this mystery" [apparently still a mystery for some even with the explanation] "-- so that you will not be wise in your own estimation" [hmm...food for thought here...] that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;" It seems really clear here that the partial hardening that has happened is until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. I mean, it is right there in the verse. UNTIL the fulness of the Gentiles has come in. I'm not sure how one can be more clear then that. And you are the one who said that it's the original that is important.

until	ἄχρις (achris)	891: until, as far as	a prim. particle, preposition
the fullness	πλήρωμα (plērōma)	4138: fullness, a filling up	from pléroó
of the Gentiles	ἐθνῶν (ethnōn)	1484: a race, a nation, pl. the nations (as distinct from Isr.)	probably from a prim. root
has come	εἰσέλθῃ (eiselthē)	1525: to go in (to), enter	from eis and erchomai
in;

Even in the original language it is quite clear. If you allow the babysitter to watch TV until you are back, it is understood that that TV is turned off when you return, unless they ask if they can keep watching. You have to understand, unlike with us, everything i black and white with God. That babysitter is taking advantage of God if they keep watching TV after He has returned... and He won't have it. Why does everything come out with man on top of God? It is your interpretation that runs contrary to the clear, concise, inspired word of God, from God's mind to Paul's pen. Things have changed since we entered the post modern and post truth age. Things don't mean what they say anymore, because we get to choose what the truth is, which is what you did above.

Okay, the death of his daughter and sickness was in 1542. He fully supported the expulsion of the Jews from Saxony in 1536. It is possible he was antisemitic all his life, but was conciliatory in an effort to convert the Jews to Christendom. As they continued to reject his calls, he became more and more vocal in his antisemitism. In a scholarly essay I read, there was no mention of any Jewish doctor's, and the paper was solely about Martin Luther's views of Jews and Judaism throughout his life. If, what you said was correct, there should have been something... anything said about it. Alas, after an hour of searching (I have a google ranger badge), I couldn't anything anywhere. I did find that she died from the plague. (Yes... that plague.)

John the baptized first used take away sons about the Lamb because it was in Isaiah.

Some versions CAP the OT quotes. NASB, RSV.

In the flow of 9-11 the question is really: why aren’t all Jews automatically believers? This requires a huge explanation of their hardness/blindness. That’s why the term Israel is totally qualified from being the race-nation in the book.

Messiah in Dan 9 brought in atonement and everlasting righteousness. If you don’t know that Romans is the emphatic explanation of imputed righteousness, there is a lot to start over on. Imputation is not personal transformation but it sure is a great basis for it.

A “Bible “ pastor who tried to move Dan 9 to the future finally had to admit the ridiculous: That he believed Christ would atone for Israel’s sins at some future time; that the Gospel was only for Gentiles!!!!

 

[EarlyActs]

It’s in 2 documentaries that are not Lutheran if that helps.

I don’t have exact dates, but a child in those times could have a long illness.

 

[EarlyActs]

When I say that the old use of a term (see the title of this thread) is abandoned, that in itself is the reason why there is not a repeat of that era or function. Check Acts 13 about David’s time: it had its purpose; the arrival of Christ another. There is no going back to the previous activities or entities in mind, bc the fullness has come in Christ.

 

[Mr GLee]

I'm not sure where you get that he was writing to his own people. Romans 11:13 "But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, if somehow I might move to jealousy my fellow countrymen and save some of them." If you can't get this right, how can I expect you to get any of it right? It does require the future, because all Israel has not been saved yet. And yes, this is corporal. We already have the individual Jews being saved since Israel is only partially blinded, not completely.

Which Israel seeing not all Israel are not born again Israel?

In the same way with the new name he renamed his Bride in Acts Christians .Not all that say there are Christians are .

We understand the unseen eternal things of our invisible God by faith not after the temporal dying flesh and blood.

2 Corinthians 4: 18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Satan would make it all one in the same making the word of God without efect.

Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

 

[TMSO]

He says several times he was prodding or pushing his own people to be missionaries, but telling the Gentiles that. It’s very simple to see.

They were to be His witnesses/ambassadors, and that was aimed at the apostles, who failed to follow through with what Jesus said. Instead of leaving Jerusalem after the Holy Spirit came, they stayed. They were supposed to go out into the world and make disciples of all nations.

 

[TMSO]

No the overall view of Scripture and especially the dramatic ending of the first generation is against the race-nation as such. It is totally in favor of Jews being Christian evangelists.

I have a book and cannot write out the book each time to answer people like you. But you will see that it is utterly informed of the 2st century context. THE COVENANT REVOLT. Amazon.

You are missing the point of Romans. It would help if you were a determinist. Paul clearly states that the calling of the race-nation of Israel as God's chosen people is irrevocable. That does not mean automatic salvation for all. It is just a designation. Chosen of God for the sake of the forefathers. It is corporal. The chosen, when it comes to salvation is individual. However, that is only the Gentiles, because they are not the chosen people of God. What Paul is saying, and what the Old Testament says is that at the end of things, the remnant of Israel (which I believe will be the only one's left alive) will be saved. And it will be corporal, because God will not forsake His chosen people. But, again, it is only the remnant, who will be alive by the grace of God (if they have not individually found salvation.)

 

[TMSO]

It’s in 2 documentaries that are not Lutheran if that helps.

I prefer history, and the history shows that Martin Luther showed antisemitic leanings prior to his daughter's death. For instance, when Martin Luther was at the Diet to defend himself, some Jews came to him expecting to find tolerance. They did not. And this was during his "soft" period. I think this is why you don't find it in essays and such. (or in the history books.)

 

[TMSO]

I don’t have exact dates, but a child in those times could have a long illness.

It was the plague.

 

[TMSO]

Which Israel seeing not all Israel are not born again Israel?

In the same way with the new name he renamed his Bride in Acts Christians .Not all that say there are Christians are .

We understand the unseen eternal things of our invisible God by faith not after the temporal dying flesh and blood.

2 Corinthians 4: 18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Satan would make it all one in the same making the word of God without efect.

Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

The one's who WILL BE saved (definitive) are the remnant. The elect of God with the nation of Israel. However, it is the nation of Israel that is the chosen, those called to be the people of God. And, as Paul says so clearly, the calling is irrevocable. However, it is like the church. Anyone can say they are a part of the church, however, are they actually? The receive the blessings of God, but why? Because of the common grace poured out on the church. That is the "tasting" of the things of God we see in Hebrews. If you share an umbrella with someone, they are protected from the rain. However, that umbrella isn't theirs. Temporal blessings of having someone share their umbrella with them. However, when we stand before God, it is on an individual basis. When Paul says, and so all Israel will be saved, he was speaking of the Israel that is Israel. Those who are of Israel, not of the physical circumcision, but spiritual. And that is a corporal group, known as the remnant.

 

[Mr GLee]

The one's who WILL BE saved (definitive) are the remnant. The elect of God with the nation of Israel. However, it is the nation of Israel that is the chosen, those called to be the people of God. And, as Paul says so clearly, the calling is irrevocable. However, it is like the church.

Hi Thanks for the reply.

I would offer

Yes a remnant of Israel those born again previously after Jacob the deceiver, natural unconverted mankind . Naming the bride Israel. In that way not all Israel are born again Israel some remained under Jacob the usurper.

God the invisible Holy Spirit . . the life of all nations. In Isaiah 62 propmised to rename her a more befitting name to name the bride of all the nations . (God is not a racist) Named Her in Acts" Christian literally meaning "residents of the heavenly city of Christ" prepared for his bride the church .Named after its founder and husband Christ.

 

[EarlyActs]

They were to be His witnesses/ambassadors, and that was aimed at the apostles, who failed to follow through with what Jesus said. Instead of leaving Jerusalem after the Holy Spirit came, they stayed. They were supposed to go out into the world and make disciples of all nations.

The overall design for Israel from way, way back is for them to bless all nations with the Godpek. You have too little perspective. Notice its purpose in Amos 9, quoted in Acts 15, or Is 42, quoted in Acts23.


but I can’t rewrite my 150 page book here , can I? The Covenant Revolt , Amazon,

 

[EarlyActs]

You are missing the point of Romans. It would help if you were a determinist. Paul clearly states that the calling of the race-nation of Israel as God's chosen people is irrevocable. That does not mean automatic salvation for all. It is just a designation. Chosen of God for the sake of the forefathers. It is corporal. The chosen, when it comes to salvation is individual. However, that is only the Gentiles, because they are not the chosen people of God. What Paul is saying, and what the Old Testament says is that at the end of things, the remnant of Israel (which I believe will be the only one's left alive) will be saved. And it will be corporal, because God will not forsake His chosen people. But, again, it is only the remnant, who will be alive by the grace of God (if they have not individually found salvation.)

1 Peter 2 says all believes are the chosen people, Wuoting the OT when he dies, and also the royal priesthood.

I would say the emphasis against the race-nation in the NT is about 100 to 1 compared to the faith-based people of God created in Christ in Eph 1-3, Gal 3-4, Col 1-2.

 

[EarlyActs]

The one's who WILL BE saved (definitive) are the remnant. The elect of God with the nation of Israel. However, it is the nation of Israel that is the chosen, those called to be the people of God. And, as Paul says so clearly, the calling is irrevocable. However, it is like the church. Anyone can say they are a part of the church, however, are they actually? The receive the blessings of God, but why? Because of the common grace poured out on the church. That is the "tasting" of the things of God we see in Hebrews. If you share an umbrella with someone, they are protected from the rain. However, that umbrella isn't theirs. Temporal blessings of having someone share their umbrella with them. However, when we stand before God, it is on an individual basis. When Paul says, and so all Israel will be saved, he was speaking of the Israel that is Israel. Those who are of Israel, not of the physical circumcision, but spiritual. And that is a corporal group, known as the remnant.

The gifts of God are irrevocable not the designation of a race-nation. We know this from the final curse declared on Israel in Acts 3 if they did not recognize the new Moses.

I cannot write out 150 pages so please see my book and report after that. The Covenant Revolt. At Amazon.

 

[Mr GLee]

The gifts of God are irrevocable not the designation of a race-nation. We know this from the final curse declared on Israel in Acts 3 if they did not recognize the new Moses.

I cannot write out 150 pages so please see my book and report after that. The Covenant Revolt. At Amazon.

I would offer good reference Acts 3

Exactly God is not a racist as if eternal God the Faithful "Let there be" Creator . . .was a dying Jewish man to begin with .

Interestingly the witness of those prophets who followed after Samuel until the time of the first century reformation the restoring of a non one nation family . . . made up of all nations as families .

Acts 3:24King James Version24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days

During that time period it was set aside as a parable. The ceremonial gathering together was a Jewish men's only club . Two 15 foot high walls . One to separate the Jewish woman from the men . Women no participation in ceremony. And another high wall separating the gentiles from the Jews

The restoring of the government of Christ , prophesied by Joel . The walls came down a republican gospel explosion like never before or ever again. Families of all nations women as well as men holding out the gospel. Believers were empowered to come as one new family one source of faith as it is written . That no call man Holy Father on earth. One is our Abba in heaven

In that way we know no man after the flesh but miraculously can know God after the Holy Spirit.

When two or three gather under that power as it is writen he is there with them . two or three a nation .

Acts 2:16-17 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

 

[TMSO]

Hi Thanks for the reply.

I would offer

Yes a remnant of Israel those born again previously after Jacob the deceiver, natural unconverted mankind . Naming the bride Israel. In that way not all Israel are born again Israel some remained under Jacob the usurper.

Jacob was not a usurper. In fact, Jacob's name was changed to Israel. God did that. All of Israel were descendants of Abraham, physically. However, only some were descendants of Abraham by faith, that is spiritual descendants. Just what are these spiritual descendants? Those, who like Abraham, looked forward to Christ in faith.

God the invisible Holy Spirit . . the life of all nations. In Isaiah 62 propmised to rename her a more befitting name to name the bride of all the nations . (God is not a racist) Named Her in Acts" Christian literally meaning "residents of the heavenly city of Christ" prepared for his bride the church .Named after its founder and husband Christ.

Actually the word Christian first showed up in Antioch, and it was a disparaging term. However, due to its meaning "follower of Christ", believers accepted the name.

 

[TMSO]

The overall design for Israel from way, way back is for them to bless all nations with the Godpek. You have too little perspective. Notice its purpose in Amos 9, quoted in Acts 15, or Is 42, quoted in Acts23.


but I can’t rewrite my 150 page book here , can I? The Covenant Revolt , Amazon,

Your perspective is too narrow. God determined all that would happen in the world. God made a promise to Eve that the redemption of the world would come through her seed. That promise can be seen through God saving Noah from the flood, for if God destroyed all of humanity, or all of creation, at that time, then He lied to Eve. It was ALL planned. However, the Bible tells us the story in human terms, so we don't see that clearly without stepping back. We see deeper into God's plan with Abraham, and then with Isaac. We get a portrayal of Jesus sacrifice, when God commands Abraham to sacrifice Isaac. Isaac is on the altar and Abraham is ready to sacrifice his son because he fully believed God. Even if Abraham killed Isaac, Abraham fully believed that his descendants would come through Isaac, that God would raise Isaac from the dead to fulfill God's promises. (Again showing another side to the flood and Noah's salvation from it in connection with God's promise to Eve.)

God then chose the nation of Israel to rule, but the heart of the choice is that His salvation would come from His chosen people, which is Israel. The Messiah would come from them. So God gives them a sacrificial system that is but a dim glimpse of all that Jesus would be. Everything planned out precisely, determined exactly, before the world even began. God planned out the salvation of Israel. God prophesied this through the Old Testament prophecies and ultimately through Daniel's 70 weeks. Israel's ultimate salvation comes at the end of the 70 weeks. However, we have a break at the time of the Messiah being cut off... after the 69th week. How do we know there is a break or a gap. After the 69th week goes from the Messiah being cut off, through the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple, until he who is to come strengthens a covenant with the many, then breaks the covenant, and is then destroyed at the end of the 70th week.

Each week is supposed to be 7 years long. However, from the time the Messiah is cut off (Jesus is crucified), until the destruction of temple is well over 7 years. So... there must be a gap. The question is... how long. Not to mention why? Why is easy. The results of the 70 weeks are supposed to be because of their Messiah. However, they rejected the Messiah and cut Him off. What does Paul say happened because of this? By their disobedience, salvation came to the Gentiles. So what happened? The focus of prophecy, of history, switched from the Jews to the Gentiles. However, the 70 weeks is only supposed to be the Jews. So we have a gap. Like half time for a one hour football game. That 30 minutes (superbowl) is not considered part of the playtime of the game. The focus is not on play. So the football game is still, technically one hour. So, since the focus moved from the Jews to the Gentiles, the time... the play clock is on pause. Consider that we are talking about time, and scripture speaks of the focus on the Gentiles as the time of the Gentiles. So, again, the focus is not on the Jews, but the Gentiles. The prophecy of the 70 weeks is not violated. There is one week left, which begins when the covenant (Abrahamic accords perhaps) is strengthened. Then the final countdown to the fulfillment of the 70 weeks prophecy continues. The focus moves back to Israel and the Jews.

It is that moment which Paul speaks as "the fulness of the Gentiles" coming in. At that time, God now starts dealing with Israel again. The focus moves from the Gentiles back to Israel. The partial blindness/hardness Paul speaks of will be removed. (I believe the reason he says partial blindness/hardness is because Jews are still being saved, however, it is at the individual level, not corporal.) The last 7 years are the tribulation that pretrib premillennialists speak of. However, it is the last half of the week, the last 3 1/2 weeks that are the Great Tribulation that the early church father's spoke of. They didn't speak of the 7 years as a whole, just the last 3 1/2 years. And they marked the start of that as when the Antichrist steps into the temple and declares himself to be God, outlawing all other religions, and demanding worship solely of him. Right in the holy of holies. Utter blasphemy of God, which Daniel says is the characteristic of the fourth and final beast.

This whole thing is so much more complicated, however, the point is the overall design is that, not what you said. God knew they wouldn't do it. It was never part of the design. The command is, however, God already knew they would never do it, because He determined that. [See... it is very complicated.]

 

[TMSO]

1 Peter 2 says all believes are the chosen people, Wuoting the OT when he dies, and also the royal priesthood.

I would say the emphasis against the race-nation in the NT is about 100 to 1 compared to the faith-based people of God created in Christ in Eph 1-3, Gal 3-4, Col 1-2.

Yes, but not all are Israel. Israel is the physical descendants of Abraham. The church IS NOT. Israel stands alone on this. However, the church is where they intersect, for the church (gentiles in the church) are the spiritual descendants of Abraham by faith. Jewish believers are BOTH physical descendants as well as spiritual descendants by faith. Both Peter and Paul make this division obvious. Peter speaks of this several times (or just a few, don't remember exactly) in Acts. Prior to Cornelius, at Cornelius house, after Cornelius house, and at the church council. However, in the church, we are the same as children of God, members of the body of Christ.

All is not fully one until the consummation, because not all the elect of Israel are saved until the consummation. That is, when Jesus returns and Israel sees Him, then all Israel will be saved. (All that are, ahem, still alive, will be the remnant. So in this case, when I say Israel, it is no longer simply the corporal nation of Israel, but the elect, the remnant of Israel who survive the Great Tribulation. Those who are not the elect of Israel will die in the Great Tribulation. When Jesus comes, those who are alive are not yet believers, but when Jesus comes to them and the Father regenerates them, they will believe in full faith, and be saved just as we are. However, for them, it will be much, MUCH more personal. Hence the mourning mentioned in Zechariah.