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Through one man, sin entered the world.

It’s not necessary to add ideas such as “original sin” and “immaculate conception” into scripture.
The Scripture speaks for itself.
The scripture tells us how man sins.
I don’t need the RCC to tell me something different.
I understand.
But I don't think their intentions were evil by doing so, but that they were being overly cautious to the extreme to not make God seem tainted in any way.
Personally, I think God could stroll down the streets of hell itself (or any part of His creation) and not be tainted in any way.
So for God to dwell in the Son's flesh body that was subject to death shouldn't have even raised an eyebrow in my opinion.
After all, we know of the Spirt filling flesh bodies in both the OT and NT, and all those flesh bodies were subject to death.
In other words, God dwelling in flesh body subject to death wouldn't taint Him in any way, shape, or form.
 
Obviously, being “very good” does not exclude the ability to sin. So I have no idea, and neither do they, what they speak of.
Adam’s ability to sin was of his created nature.

I would offer, I don't think God could create that which is sinful. He came to destroy the power of the dying flesh .

The very good is the God alone good. . the one good teaching master.

In his goodness he created from the dust mankind flesh and blood. . . in order to house the temporal spirit or breath of life

Subject to his loving law the letter death. Thou shall not or in dying you will come to a end and the flesh and blood return to the field of clay and the temporal spirit return to Christ the Father of all spirit life.

Lucifer the author of identity thief robbing the glory of our invisible God .saying. . I will be like God the Creator. adding to prophecy. Surely you will not die "touch it" and you will see you have eaten the fruit of false prophecy (neither shall ye touch it ) .The father of lies adding to the commandment "neither touch" The drawing power lust of the eye drew them to the center hid for outside they touched and ate the lust of the flesh .

The two building blocks of false pride .
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1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lustof the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

Ecclesiastes 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
 
That God's "very good" creation in the garden was already endowed with a nature that could sin.
Yes, or he would not have sinned. But he was created innocent, and he became guilty. He was not created with sin already in his nature.
 
Yes, or he would not have sinned. But he was created innocent, and he became guilty. He was not created with sin already in his nature.
I would offer. .Yes, only the potential was there. The power to both will and do came from the Father.
 
I would offer, I don't think God could create that which is sinful. He came to destroy the power of the dying flesh .

The very good is the God alone good. . the one good teaching master.

In his goodness he created from the dust mankind flesh and blood. . . in order to house the temporal spirit or breath of life

Subject to his loving law the letter death. Thou shall not or in dying you will come to a end and the flesh and blood return to the field of clay and the temporal spirit return to Christ the Father of all spirit life.

Lucifer the author of identity thief robbing the glory of our invisible God .saying. . I will be like God the Creator. adding to prophecy. Surely you will not die "touch it" and you will see you have eaten the fruit of false prophecy (neither shall ye touch it ) .The father of lies adding to the commandment "neither touch" The drawing power lust of the eye drew them to the center hid for outside they touched and ate the lust of the flesh .

The two building blocks of false pride .
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1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lustof the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

Ecclesiastes 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
God gives law to man to show man his inability to keep the law perfectly. That was the purpose of the forbidden fruit.
It was also the purpose of the law given to Israel through Moses. To show them their complete inability to live up to the just demands of the law.
This knowledge ought to cause man to seek mercy and forgiveness rather than their own righteousness.
The condition of Adam when he was created, was the same condition of the people of Israel.
Jesus was in the same condition of both Adam when he was created and Israel. He was under the same law.
The first law was of being under the death penalty brought to all man from Adam. The law of sin and death.
The second law was being a Jew in covenant with God from Mount Sinai.
Jesus understood that no man is saved by the works of the law. And that the just shall live by faith. He was faithful.
And he also did not sin
And because he did no sin, God accepted his sacrifice and put sin in the flesh to death on the cross.
 
Yes, or he would not have sinned. But he was created innocent, and he became guilty. He was not created with sin already in his nature.
The sin in his nature could only be revealed by the giving of law. The law came after Adam was created. Adam’s nature made the law weak.
 
That God's "very good" creation in the garden was already endowed with a nature that could sin.
Yes, Adam and Eve could sin....but that doesn't mean they had a sin nature prior to the fall.

Here's an article from Got Questions on what a sin nature is.
 
God gives law to man to show man his inability to keep the law perfectly. That was the purpose of the forbidden fruit.
That was not the purpose of the "forbidden fruit".
Your point applies to people born AFTER the fall with the inherited sin nature.
 
Yes, or he would not have sinned. But he was created innocent, and he became guilty. He was not created with sin already in his nature.
I agree...."He was not created with sin already in his nature."
 
The sin in his nature could only be revealed by the giving of law. The law came after Adam was created. Adam’s nature made the law weak.
Sin wasn't in his nature until he sinned. Only the ability to sin. God's law is the very character of himself and we are as his creatures bound to obedience to it. It does not have to be written or given as a legal code in order to become sin. The Mosaic law of legal code was given for God's particular purpose at his particular time, to a particular people, as part of progressive redemption. And that legal covenant code pertained to his provision and protection and continued possession of the land. His righteousness and man's utter inability to do perfect righteousness, and therefore the need of a Savior to do that righteousness in their place,(all mankind, not just geographic/ethnic Israel) and then take the sinners place in facing the wrath of God on sin and the sinner, and death of the sinner, was taught in and through the law, and that is why it also condemned them.
 
Sin wasn't in his nature until he sinned. Only the ability to sin.
For some reason they can't make that distinction.

I have to ask LeviR....is what you preach your own opinion or is there a "denomination" that teaches that? If so, who?
God's law is the very character of himself and we are as his creatures bound to obedience to it. It does not have to be written or given as a legal code in order to become sin. The Mosaic law of legal code was given for God's particular purpose at his particular time, to a particular people, as part of progressive redemption. And that legal covenant code pertained to his provision and protection and continued possession of the land. His righteousness and man's utter inability to do perfect righteousness, and therefore the need of a Savior to do that righteousness in their place,(all mankind, not just geographic/ethnic Israel) and then take the sinners place in facing the wrath of God on sin and the sinner, and death of the sinner, was taught in and through the law, and that is why it also condemned them.
 
God gives law to man to show man his inability to keep the law perfectly. That was the purpose of the forbidden fruit.
The forbidden fruit was a test of faithfulness. The command to sacrifice Isaac was a test of faithfulness. Leaving people who worshiped many gods in the land God was giving to Israel, was a test of faithfulness.
The condition of Adam when he was created, was the same condition of the people of Israel.
Adam wasn't in a condition of sin when he was created. The people of Israel were in the condition they were in because Adam became a sinner when he sinned.
Jesus was in the same condition of both Adam when he was created and Israel. He was under the same law.
He was in the same condition of Adam before Adam sinned. And Jesus was not born in Adam and he was not created. He came from the Father, which means that is where he was before he came as a man. He was born in Israel and therefore he was born under the law of Israel. The people of Israel were born in Adam which is why they were born sinful beings.
Jesus understood that no man is saved by the works of the law.
Then why did he keep that law? You are leaving a lot out of the equation. Jesus did not need to be saved. He was not a sinner. He could sin in the sense that he had the faculty of being able to sin. But he did not sin and therefore never became a sinner. He kept all righteousness so as to qualify as a substitute for sinners, taking upon his own body the curse of the law, in their place. The believers sin was counted as though it were his own. Slnce it was not his own the grave could not hold him. That is how he conquered sin and death. Because he conquered them, through faith in his person and work, his righteousness is counted as though it were that of the believer.
 
For some reason they can't make that distinction.
If I am not mistaken, the reason for that is believing that Jesus is a creature and not deity and human. A belief that Jesus too was born in Adam. Even though ironically, also believing the conception account in Luke.
 
If I am not mistaken, the reason for that is believing that Jesus is a creature and not deity and human. A belief that Jesus too was born in Adam. Even though ironically, also believing the conception account in Luke.
I would love to see their scriptural support.
 
I would love to see their scriptural support.
Oh they believe they have it. "There is only one God, Jesus called God his Father the only true God." Of course Trinitarians believe both those things too so that argue against something in true straw man fashion. And things we see in John 1 are mistranslations (according to the Unitarian) and a product of RCC bias and now Protestant Christian bias. Same with every scripture that declares the deity of Christ.

And as to the nature of Adam as created this particular poster has God creating a sinner, though that is denies in defiance of all logic, and Jesus our Lord as created as a sinful being who did not sin. Against all logic.
 
For some reason they can't make that distinction.

I have to ask LeviR....is what you preach your own opinion or is there a "denomination" that teaches that? If so, who?
Even the RCC knows Christ had a genealogy. That he was son of David according to the flesh. Jesus’ flesh would be the same flesh as his mother.
That’s why they invented the doctrine of immaculate conception.
They changed the flesh of Mary so Jesus wouldn’t be son of David according to the flesh.
So they deny the scripture. And go with their idea instead..
 
By one man sin entered the world, and death by sin, so death passed to all, for all have sinned.

In Adam all die, so in Christ all shall be made alive.

Adam sinned. The death he brought by his sin has passed to all man because all man were in Adam when he sinned. It’s a nature thing. His nature sinned and so our nature sinned in him.
I would add that Adam as well Christ are representative heads. When Adam sinned his sin is imputed to all his progeny in solidarity. The same is found in Christ, that all who believe are imputed with the free gift of righteousness of Christ. So, either you are found in Adam or Christ there is no third category here. It's either dead or alive.
 
I can't think of any bible references to animals sinning, and besides, Paul wrote to the Corinthians:

“For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.” (1Co 15:22 NKJV)

Only mankind can be said to be "in Adam."
But I do believe there's a passage in scripture that states the earth moans and cries.

Romans 8:20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now.

And God also curses the ground upon the sinners walk.

“Cursed is the ground for your sake; in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life. Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you, and you shall eat the herb of the field. In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for dust you are, and to dust you shall return.” Genesis 3:17-19 (NKJV)
 
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