The Rapture/Resurrection of the Church is near.

[Arial]

6....Plans for the new Temple in Israel are well under way.

By unbelieving Jews who want their old way of worship back and without Jesus. God does not say He is going to return to abide in a temple in Jerusalem again. In Rev 21:1-6 he is not dwelling in a temple----if this is after the 1000 years, is that fictional third temple also destroyed----he is dwelling with his people.

God's glory left left the temple long ago.
ligonier.org/learn/devotionals/god-leaves-temple

 

[Arial]

.A "peace treaty" known as the Abrahamic accord has been drafted.

How many peace treaties have been signed in the past and were said by a dispensalists to be a harbinger of the coming rapture? Are you seeing the name of the treaty as an omen?

 

[Arial]

...The "like the days of Noah" is pretty much here. Transhumanism is being developed and rolled out.

It has been like the days of Noah since the days of Noah. And before the days of Noah. You missed the point of what Jesus was saying---so much so that you think you can determine by signs of the world when it is time to get ready to leave. The point was, you better always be ready, and not to leave, but for his sudden coming. Even though we are constantly told this throughout the Bible, just like in the days of Noah, we don't believe it and so don't live accordingly. And why all this doom and gloom and looking and predicting for a day that you also believe will be the escape hatch from all that tragedy? Huh? See the disconnect within what you teach as reality now?! Now can you see at least one speck of it?

 

[Arial]

9....AI currently is becoming closer to the "singularity. Rev 13:15 may be the singularity.

I have to take a break before I tackle the rest of this stuff, none of which means anything unless the proof of a rapture is given.

 

[Arial]

Right. And that’s why we go to meet the Lord in the air. (Rapture)

Yes. The dead in Christ are raised immortal, we are changed, and go to meet him in the air. But we do not pass right on by him and continue to rise as he continues to descend. For this speaks of his second coming, not a partial or an almost coming. But his full return. It has been said, maybe by Sproul or Voddie or both, that this rising to meet him in the air is his the train of the triumphant warrior King returning with his people in victory celebration. This parallels what we see in the Hebrew culture of the OT when a king returned home after victory in battle, and all the people followed him rejoicing in the victory.

 

[CrowCross]

What about looking at the events which Christ predicted all taking place in the past? After all, these "beginning of sorrows" which Christ listed in Matthew 24 were to be accompanied by the disciples being "beaten in the synagogues", and being "delivered up" to the Sanhedrin councils and rulers of that Jewish religious system - i.e., the high priesthood system which hasn't existed since the AD 66-70 war period.

That's fine. But Christ hasn't returned as of yet. Look up.

 

[CrowCross]

What does any of that in actuality have to do with redemption, the rapture or the resurrection of the church. You make that statement relating it to nothing. What do you mean by the resurrection of the church? The church doesn't need to be resurrected. It is our bodies that will be resurrected or changed if we are still alive when he returns.

This battle is associated with the end times...you know, when the rapture happens. I'm not saying they happen on the same day.

The point is the bible prophecies about this event...find today lining up with the prophecies. It's just one indicator.

 

[Mr GLee]

From a Amil position. The instructive opening verse. . signified understanding of parables comparing the temporal things seen to the invisible things of Christ the head, called hidden manna in 2:17 Or our daily bread

The earth quaked the Sun darkened the born again spirits of believers were raised up. The resurrection gate was opened It will close on the last day under the Sun .

It is finished the veil representing the circummsion of a bloody husband Christ was rent There was no Jewish man as King of kings sitting.

Satan fell and could no longer deceive all the nations God is a Jewish man . . dying mankind

Revelation 20King James Version And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Preparations for that little season are in the workings.

 

[3 Resurrections]

That's fine. But Christ hasn't returned as of yet. Look up.

Sorry, but I believe Christ's own words instead, as found in Matthew 16:27-28. He predicted He would return while some of those He was speaking to were still alive. It was that first-century generation who were told to look up, because their redemption was drawing nigh. As far as we are concerned, the next time Christ returns will be far, far down the road for us.

 

[CrowCross]

Did it take technology to mark us as Christ's with His seal? Why do you think the mark of the beast is a literal mark and a literal number? You need to be able to answer these questions, and for the sake of discussion, should answer them. Otherwise it is just head banging against a wall. Let us reason together for once.

The mark as to be something obvious...or how would they be able to identify those who can but or sell?

Do you know there are some stores that are rolling out a system that you have to register your hand and link it to some form of finance prior to being able to enter the store?

As I have said....the technology is just about here. There is no denying that.

 

[LeviR]

Sorry, but I believe Christ's own words instead, as found in Matthew 16:27-28. He predicted He would return while some of those He was speaking to were still alive. It was that first-century generation who were told to look up, because their redemption was drawing nigh. As far as we are concerned, the next time Christ returns will be far, far down the road for us.

They saw him coming in his kingdom before he even left? He would first have to leave before he returned. And since he had not yet left, they were only given a glimpse of him coming in his kingdom. They saw only three. When he actually does come it will be with much more than three.

 

[CrowCross]

Why do you conclude that means a rapture is imminent?

The bible presents the end times in this fashion.

Where is this idea of a rapture coming from?

1 Thes 4. have you ever read it? There is also 1 Cor 15.

The gospel will be preached all over the world until the last elect has come in. 2 Peter 3:8-9. And then the Lord will return 2 Peter 3. I don't see any mention of a rapture or a seven year tribulation or a 1000 year long earthly reign of Jesus in between those two things.

As I have said....the gospel has been preached pretty much to the entire world. Sure, perhaps you can point to a people living in isolation in the Amazon jungle. But for the most part that has been satisfied.

 

[CrowCross]

That has been identified in different ways by different organization at least since the 70's when Dispensationalist writers and preaches became obsessed with a one world government----once again failing in their predictions and focusing outside the Bible to determine what is in the Bible. Something is wrong with this picture!.

Yes, since the 70's and even earlier. The "movement" has been gaining steam so to speak and gaining in popularity with many people. In fact the UN meets this month in NY to discuss this topic and how to roll it out and implement the next step.

 

[CrowCross]

Sorry, but I believe Christ's own words instead, as found in Matthew 16:27-28. He predicted He would return while some of those He was speaking to were still alive. It was that first-century generation who were told to look up, because their redemption was drawing nigh. As far as we are concerned, the next time Christ returns will be far, far down the road for us.

Get back to us when you have historically shown this has happened.

 

[CrowCross]

By unbelieving Jews who want their old way of worship back and without Jesus. God does not say He is going to return to abide in a temple in Jerusalem again. In Rev 21:1-6 he is not dwelling in a temple----if this is after the 1000 years, is that fictional third temple also destroyed----he is dwelling with his people.

God will not abide in that temple. The Jews think He will...but the anti-christ will declare himself to be God in this temple.

God's glory left left the temple long ago.
ligonier.org/learn/devotionals/god-leaves-temple

 

[CrowCross]

How many peace treaties have been signed in the past and were said by a dispensalists to be a harbinger of the coming rapture? Are you seeing the name of the treaty as an omen?

Is this the treaty? Who knows...but the bible speaks of such a treaty. The current Abrahamic Accord is probably not the final draft.

 

[CrowCross]

It has been like the days of Noah since the days of Noah. And before the days of Noah. You missed the point of what Jesus was saying---so much so that you think you can determine by signs of the world when it is time to get ready to leave. The point was, you better always be ready, and not to leave, but for his sudden coming. Even though we are constantly told this throughout the Bible, just like in the days of Noah, we don't believe it and so don't live accordingly. And why all this doom and gloom and looking and predicting for a day that you also believe will be the escape hatch from all that tragedy? Huh? See the disconnect within what you teach as reality now?! Now can you see at least one speck of it?

It's more than Jesus sudden coming. We know the days of Noah will not be like the end of the tribulation. This strongly represents a pre-trib rapture.

 

[CrowCross]

I have to take a break before I tackle the rest of this stuff, none of which means anything unless the proof of a rapture is given.

You seem to write it off as simply as the Jews wrote of Jesus as being their messiah 2,000 years ago.

 

[CrowCross]

They saw him coming in his kingdom before he even left? He would first have to leave before he returned. And since he had not yet left, they were only given a glimpse of him coming in his kingdom. They saw only three. When he actually does come it will be with much more than three.

Acts 1 speaks of Jesus leaving.

 

[Arial]

This battle is associated with the end times...you know, when the rapture happens. I'm not saying they happen on the same day.

No, I don't know. I only have your statement that there is a pre-trib rapture, which is also a pre-mil rapture in Dispensationalism. I have not seen any exegeted evidence given by you that there is.