The history of the church.

[donadams]

Mystical union of God and His church!

Isa 53:5 by His stripes we are healed!

Acts 9:4 saul (the fundamentalist tyrant) was persecuting the church, Christ said why are you persecuting me!

Jn 15:5 apart from Christ we can do nothing!

Eph 5:24 church is subject to Christ!

Eph 5:32 mystical union of Christ and the church!

The new covenant church is the eternal city! Lk 1:32-33 His kingdom has no end!

Prophecy of the new covenant and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (The new covenant church) Jn 15:1-5 (holy mother church is the new Jerusalem the kingdom) gal 4:26 (one church) Jn 10:16

Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings (Roman Caesar’s) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Daniel 6:26
I make a decree, That in every dominion of my kingdom men tremble and fear before the God of Daniel: for he is the living God, and stedfast for ever, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed, and his dominion shall be even unto the end.

Daniel 7:14
And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Daniel 7:18
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

 

[Carbon]

Was luther an apostle?
Did have any authority?

Can you give me the name of one pope who was an apostle?

Where does scripture authorize a Protestant reformation?

Where does scripture authorize what your Church has done as far as straying off the path?
Your Church is apostate.

 

[Alive]

This is one of many such explanations for how paganism was merged with the RCC early on.

The pagan origins of three Catholic practices

A few traditions in the Roman Catholic Church can be traced back to pagan cults, rites, and deities.

bigthink.com

 

[Alive]

Here is another although the nephilim bit could be ignored.

Paganism in Catholic Church | Roman Catholicism

It's hard to ignore the paganism all over the Catholic church. From the buildings, worship practices, teachings, etc. It's everywhere and impossible to overlook. Catholic Churches Jasper Indiana.

www.romancatholicism.com

 

[Alive]

And one more for the readers here.

Did the Catholic Church Have Its Origin in Paganism?

The Two Babylons, a book written by Alexander Hislop, claims that the religion of ancient Babylon became what is known today as the Catholic Church.

www.catholic.com

 

[Arch Stanton]

like Christmas trees... I wonder if you ever had a Christmas tree

 

[Alive]

like Christmas trees... I wonder if you ever had a Christmas tree

How about actually addressing the material presented?

 

[Arch Stanton]

How about actually addressing the material presented?

If you could sum it up in your own words, that would be great.... I don't particularly like to click on links..... would you want links from us? Probably not.

 

[Alive]

If you could sum it up in your own words, that would be great.... I don't particularly like to click on links..... would you want links from us? Probably not.

Not gonna play this game. You know well what this is all about. I did not post that history for you or donadams. It’s for the others who might benefit from it.
“From us”?
Perfect.
I suggest engaging in a discussion about the Lord where you are first a Christian and secondarily a member of the RCC.

 

[donadams]

Can you give me the name of one pope who was an apostle?

Where does scripture authorize what your Church has done as far as straying off the path?
Your Church is apostate.

The papacy is apostolic!

Dogma / De Fide or “thee faith” (found 31 times in the New Testament) eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

Truths revealed by Christ, taught by His apostolic church! (Matt 28:19)
(The rule of faith)

The faith that binds all Christians! Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18

Christ and His church are one and teach one truth faith! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 / Jn 8:12 - Matt 5:14
Matt 17:5 - acts 3:22 Matt 18:18
Truth: Jn 14:6 - 1 Tim 3:15

(Most people who oppose catholic dogma actually believe most dogma’s Example: #12 there is only one God)

137. The Church was founded by the God-Man Jesus Christ.
138. Our Redeemer Himself conserves with divine power the society founded by Him, the
Church.
139. Christ is the Divine Redeemer of His Body, the Church.
140. Christ founded the Church in order to continue His work of redemption for all time.
141. Christ gave His Church a hierarchical constitution.
142. The powers bestowed on the Apostles have descended to the bishops.
143. Christ appointed the Apostle Peter to be the first of all the Apostles and to be the visible head
of the whole Church, by appointing him immediately and personally to the primacy of jurisdiction.
144. According to Christ’s ordinance, Peter is to have successors in his Primacy over the whole
Church and for all time.
145. The successors of Peter in the Primacy are the bishops of Rome.
146. The Pope possesses full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the whole Church, not
merely in matters of faith and morals, but also in Church discipline and in the government of
the Church.
147. The Pope is infallible when he speaks ex cathedra.
148. By virtue of Divine Right the bishops possess an ordinary power of government over their
dioceses.
149. Christ is the Head of the Church.
150. In the final decision on doctrines concerning faith and morals the Church is infallible.
151. The primary object of the Infallibility is the formally revealed truths of Christian Doctrine
concerning faith and morals.
152. The totality of the Bishops is infallible, when they, either assembled in general council or
scattered over the earth, propose a teaching of faith or morals as one to be held by all the
faithful.
153. The Church founded by Christ is unique and one.
154. The Church founded by Christ is holy.
155. The Church founded by Christ is catholic.
156. The Church founded by Christ is apostolic.
157. Membership of the Church is necessary for all men for salvation.

 

[Arch Stanton]

Not gonna play this game.

game? we supply words, you supply links from random sources

You know well what this is all about.

How would I, if I don't click on the links?

I did not post that history for you or donadams.

Then why are you addressing me below?

How about actually addressing the material presented?

It’s for the others who might benefit from it.
“From us”?

us - Catholics

Perfect.

?

I suggest engaging in a discussion about the Lord where you are first a Christian and secondarily a member of the RCC.

Indeed, discussions, not links

 

[donadams]

This is one of many such explanations for how paganism was merged with the RCC early on.

The pagan origins of three Catholic practices

A few traditions in the Roman Catholic Church can be traced back to pagan cults, rites, and deities.

bigthink.com

Where does the church teach
Mardi Gras?

graph onto the timeline of pre-Christian fertility festivals.

The church places feasts in certain places to confront and condemn the pagan practices example nov 1 feast of all saints! All hollows eve or vigil conquered the pagan festivals

Hollow means holy!

The Catholic practice of praying to saints has been called “de-facto idolatry”

We dont pray to saints who we think have a divine nature!

Our prayers are directed to God with the saint’s intercession

Anyone in the entire communion of saints can intercede for each other, including those who have gone before is marked with the sign of faith!

Philemon 1:4
Philemon 1:22

Rejoicing in heaven when a sinner repents, how do they know?

Heb 12:1 cloud of witnesses, how do they see?

Revelation 5:8
And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Revelation 8:3
And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

Revelation 8:4
And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

James 5:16 …The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. How much more the Mother of God? Christ honors Mary! Honor Thy father and mother!

Jn 11:25 (the saints are alive) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Lk 20:38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

All generations call me blessed! Lk 1:
Thanksgiving in praise of Mary for bearing our savior! Matt 1:23 And finding our salvation! Lk 1:30

Praise honor veneration and devotion redound to the Glory of God who created Mary immaculate Lk 1:49 as Christ source of all grace! Jn 1:16-17

 

[Carbon]

@Alive

I believe paganism in the Catholic started with Constantine. As soon as Constantine patronized Christianity it became the fashionable religion. He supported Christianity and exerted authority in church affairs. Christianity was practically the established religion of the empire. This also meant a constant influx to the churches of people who took up Christianity only because it was approved by the government.

A good chunk of history here.

Imperial favor towards Christianity suffered a short check under Julian (361-363), who made an earnest but vain attempt to restore paganism. The story is told that as he was dying he realized that his opposition to Christianity had come to nothing and said, "Thou hast conquered, Galilean."

A few years later (380) Theodosius, emperor in the East, a Christian, decreed that all subjects of the empire must accept the Christian faith stated in the creed of the Council of Nicea. He continued this policy when he became ruler of the Roman world in 392. Thus Christianity became part of the law of the empire.

This seems, good right? Well not exactly. let's go on.

All its inhabitants had to profess themselves Christians, on pain of outlawry. This of course gave the death blow to paganism in the empire. Many temples and idols were destroyed and by 400 pagan worship was gone. It looks like a tremendous victory that the religion which less than a century before had been persecuted should now be the only lawful religion in the empire.

Really it was not such a victory, for the new state of things meant that in the churches there were many who were not Christians at heart.

 

[donadams]

Mary all powerful advocate!
Help of Christian’s!

Mary ever virgin, mother of God, is all powerful in her prayers!

Mary’s prayers are all powerful not cos she is God but because her son is God!

and on becoming man He (Jesus) obeyed his own commandments

you might check out the one that says “honor Thy father and mother”

“My hour has not come”

The time set by almighty God for the public ministry of Christ had not come, Jesus Christ still performed the miracle cos his mother interceded, thus a higher law, “honor thy father and mother” if ANYONE else asked it would NOT have been done!
John 2

and cos of her intercession the disciples believed in Him!
Jn 2:11

Jesus said
“My hour has not come” also indicates Mary’s intimate role in salvation history!

When His has come she would be there and very involved!

Luke 2:35
(Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.

Jn 19:25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.

26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!

27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

Our spiritual mother!

 

[donadams]

This is one of many such explanations for how paganism was merged with the RCC early on.

The pagan origins of three Catholic practices

A few traditions in the Roman Catholic Church can be traced back to pagan cults, rites, and deities.

bigthink.com

Christ is High priest:

Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

Low priests / priesthood:

There must be low priests in the same order for a high priest to be over them. And the word in scripture “priesthood” is plural.

The holy sacrifice of Christ:

Holy sacrifice of Christ is offered eternally, the office of a priest is to offer sacrifice, Christ is eternal priest so He offers an eternal sacrifice! Both by the high priest and the low priesthood.

once for all sacrifice of Christ:

once bloody on the cross and for all time unbloody sacrifice, pure offering or clean oblation.

Jesus Christ at the last supper ordained the apostles as priests in the order of melchisedec, to offer His eternal sacrifice as he commanded them; do this in memory of me.

Do this in remembrance of me!

Luke 22:19
And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

1 Corinthians 11:24
And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

1 Corinthians 11:25
After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

Prophecy of the new covenant church!

Malachi 1:11

For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the Lord of hosts.

A pure offering:
A Clean oblation:
An Unbloody sacrifice:

Only a priest offers sacrifice!

 

[Carbon]

@Alive

I believe paganism in the Catholic started with Constantine. As soon as Constantine patronized Christianity it became the fashionable religion. He supported Christianity and exerted authority in church affairs. Christianity was practically the established religion of the empire. This also meant a constant influx to the churches of people who took up Christianity only because it was approved by the government.

A good chunk of history here.

Imperial favor towards Christianity suffered a short check under Julian (361-363), who made an earnest but vain attempt to restore paganism. The story is told that as he was dying he realized that his opposition to Christianity had come to nothing and said, "Thou hast conquered, Galilean."

A few years later (380) Theodosius, emperor in the East, a Christian, decreed that all subjects of the empire must accept the Christian faith stated in the creed of the Council of Nicea. He continued this policy when he became ruler of the Roman world in 392. Thus Christianity became part of the law of the empire.

This seems, good right? Well not exactly. let's go on.

All its inhabitants had to profess themselves Christians, on pain of outlawry. This of course gave the death blow to paganism in the empire. Many temples and idols were destroyed and by 400 pagan worship was gone. It looks like a tremendous victory that the religion which less than a century before had been persecuted should now be the only lawful religion in the empire.

Really it was not such a victory, for the new state of things meant that in the churches there were many who were not Christians at heart.

As history shows, Paganism affected Christian worship in these centuries, because the Church lived in the midst of it until about 400, and because after Constantine many entered the churches who were pagans under the surface. Saint worship is the chief example of this tendency.
It was natural that veneration should be paid to martyers and notable monastics and other men and women famed for holiness.
Among people who had been accustomed to the worship of gods of towns or sacred places, and who were not thoroughly Christianized, this veneration quickly passed over into worship. The saints came to be regarded as something like lesser deities, whose intersession availed with God. Places connected with their lives were considered especially sacred. Pilgrimages to such places naturally followed. To venerate relics, or material objects connected with the saints, parts of their bodies or property, and to believe that in them was a power to work miracles, came easily to those in whom pagan superstition still remained. The causes of saint worship were particulary present in the case of the Virgin Mary, worship of whom began late in this period.

 

[Alive]

Yes all true Christians can pray for others. This is very different from the practice of asking those that have died for help.
Scripture does not teach the veneration or elevation of any fellow member of the Redeemed. To do so is to create an idol.
We are taught to go boldly before to throne of Grace for help in time of need and to ask the Father in the Nature of Christ. This means all those who have been placed in Christ by the Father and raised with Christ in New Life (Nature) and that Nature is Christ, which we share. The Father recognizes that Nature in His own and therefore hears each of us directly.
So, I approach Him on behalf of my children and brethren in Christ. This is organic prayer and not a systematic practice of any kind.

 

[Carbon]

Mary all powerful advocate!
Help of Christian’s!

Mary ever virgin, mother of God, is all powerful in her prayers!

Mary’s prayers are all powerful not cos she is God but because her son is God!

and on becoming man He (Jesus) obeyed his own commandments

you might check out the one that says “honor Thy father and mother”

“My hour has not come”

The time set by almighty God for the public ministry of Christ had not come, Jesus Christ still performed the miracle cos his mother interceded, thus a higher law, “honor thy father and mother” if ANYONE else asked it would NOT have been done!
John 2

and cos of her intercession the disciples believed in Him!
Jn 2:11

Jesus said
“My hour has not come” also indicates Mary’s intimate role in salvation history!

When His has come she would be there and very involved!

Luke 2:35
(Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.

Jn 19:25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.

26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!

27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

Our spiritual mother!

well there ya go, your worship of
the imaginary Perpetual Virgin Mary isn't biblical. That comes from your church's roots in paganism.

 

[Carbon]

Yes all true Christians can pray for others. This is very different from the practice of asking those that have died for help.
Scripture does not teach the veneration or elevation of any fellow member of the Redeemed. To do so is to create an idol.
We are taught to go boldly before to throne of Grace for help in time of need and to ask the Father in the Nature of Christ. This means all those who have been placed in Christ by the Father and raised with Christ in New Life (Nature) and that Nature is Christ, which we share. The Father recognizes that Nature in His own and therefore hears each of us directly.
So, I approach Him on behalf of my children and brethren in Christ. This is organic prayer and not a systematic practice of any kind.

Amen, brother! Soldier on!

 

[donadams]

Here is another although the nephilim bit could be ignored.

Paganism in Catholic Church | Roman Catholicism

It's hard to ignore the paganism all over the Catholic church. From the buildings, worship practices, teachings, etc. It's everywhere and impossible to overlook. Catholic Churches Jasper Indiana.

www.romancatholicism.com

Biblically Mary is the royal and reigning queen mother!

In ancient Israel not kings wife but his mother was crowned queen!

1 kings 2:18 And Bathsheba said, Well; I will speak for thee unto the king.

19 Bathsheba therefore went unto king Solomon, to speak unto him for Adonijah. And the king rose up to meet her, and bowed himself unto her, and sat down on his throne, and caused a seat to be set for the king's mother; and she sat on his right hand.

20 Then she said, I desire one small petition of thee; I pray thee, say me not nay. And the king said unto her, Ask on, my mother: for I will not say thee nay.

A Seat: throne
King bows in respect
Right hand position of authority equal to the king: one

The queen received the petitions of the people and presented them to the king Her royal Son:


Lk 1:32-33 Christ is king:
Rev 12:1 Mary is His royal queen:

Song of Solomon 8:5 Who is this that cometh up from the wilderness, leaning upon her beloved? I raised thee up under the apple tree: there thy mother brought thee forth: there she brought thee forth that bare thee.

And the birth of our Saviour is one that Mary, herself, with her freewill, said "YES", and delivered salvation for all mankind. Lk 1:38

Biblical Mary, mother of God, ever Virgin, sinless, mother of our salvation!

Mother of God Lk 1:43

Immaculate conception (sinless) gen 3:15 enmity or total war none of satans works are found in Mary!
Also Lk 1:28 full of grace lk 1:49 great things plural (immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus) Rev12:1 woman clothed with the sun. Immaculate purity

Without Mary being immaculate the Holy Spirit could not conceive the “holy” son of God in Her!

Lk 1:30 found favor with God (the salvation lost by Adam) mother of our salvation Lk 2:30 and cos she consented to our salvation! Lk 1:38

Perpetual Virgin Isa 7:14 matt 1:21
Lk 1:31-34

Spiritual Mother Jn 19:26-27 rev 12:17

Mother of the creator is mother of all creation!

Mother of the Redeemer is the mother of all the redeemed!

Mother of our Savior is the mother of all those who obtain salvation!
Lk 1:30