The Gospel in Genesis

[Carbon]

Genesis 3:15
I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and her offspring;
he shall bruise your head,
and you shall bruise his heel.”

Genesis 3:21
And the LORD God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins and clothed them.


Do you see the gospel in those verses?

 

[ReverendRV]

Genesis 3:15
I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and her offspring;
he shall bruise your head,
and you shall bruise his heel.”

Genesis 3:21
And the LORD God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins and clothed them.


Do you see the gospel in those verses?

Yes; the Proto Evangelium...

 

[Josheb]

Genesis 3:15
I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and her offspring;
he shall bruise your head,
and you shall bruise his heel.”

Genesis 3:21
And the LORD God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins and clothed them.


Do you see the gospel in those verses?

I do, but the gospel in Genesis begins with the mention of the tree of life. Genesis 2:9 precedes Genesis 3:15.

Humans were made mortal. Immortal humans cannot die. God's command not to eat else they'd die is meaningless if they are made immortal. This means they were always going to have to eat from the tree of life. The tree of life is Christ.

 

[Carbon]

The tree of life is Christ.

Amen!

 

[David1701]

Genesis 3:15
I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and her offspring;
he shall bruise your head,
and you shall bruise his heel.”

Genesis 3:21
And the LORD God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins and clothed them.


Do you see the gospel in those verses?

Yes, definitely!

I prefer "seed" to "offspring", in Gen. 3:15, since "offspring" can be plural (it's not wrong, however). This points to Jesus defeating the devil on the cross.

Gen. 3:21 is the first animal sacrifice, which would involve the shedding of blood, as a covering for sin, pointing to the cross.

 

[makesends]

Genesis 3:15
I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and her offspring;
he shall bruise your head,
and you shall bruise his heel.”

Genesis 3:21
And the LORD God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins and clothed them.


Do you see the gospel in those verses?

Yep

 

[Rufus]

Genesis 3:15
I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and her offspring;
he shall bruise your head,
and you shall bruise his heel.”

Genesis 3:21
And the LORD God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins and clothed them.


Do you see the gospel in those verses?

Absolutely! Now, I have a question for you: Do you see Unconditional Election in that passage?

 

[Carbon]

Absolutely! Now, I have a question for you: Do you see Unconditional Election in that passage?

Yes actually. But may have an issue proving it if it had no other scripture support. Do you? Same with limited atonement.

 

[Carbon]

@Rufus

But what I see the most is grace

 

[Carbon]

@Rufus

But what I see the most is grace

That enmity between her seed and his seed is grace.

 

[makesends]

Them enmity between her seed and his seed is grace.

And yes, it is.

 

[Rufus]

Yes actually. But may have an issue proving it if it had no other scripture support. Do you? Same with limited atonement.

What I clearly see in the Genesis text alone is two things: First, I see the doctrine of reconciliation implied. Since God put enmity between the woman and the serpent, this can only mean that God sovereignly removed the enmity that was between himself and Eve after she sinned. Since we're moral creatures created in God's image, it's impossible for us to be enemies of Good (God) and Evil (Satan) at the same time in the same sense. Secondly, Adam was not included in this gracious act of reconciliation, which clearly implies God passed over Adam, that is to say he left him in the state of spiritual death -- a state that puts all unsaved sinners at enmity with God.

 

[Rufus]

That enmity between her seed and his seed is grace.

Her seed was Christ. In this passage, we also have the virgin birth predicted in its kernel form.

 

[Carbon]

What I clearly see in the Genesis text alone is two things: First, I see the doctrine of reconciliation implied.

Indeed.

Since God put enmity between the woman and the serpent, this can only mean that God sovereignly removed the enmity that was between himself and Eve after she sinned.

I believe by having that enmity is how we and the world exist together. With two different natures, we cannot live the non-Christian life without serious guilt. We cannot be in non Christian places. And the reprobate do not like being around us. That's enmity. We have different natures and are at enmity with eachother.

We are born at enmity with God, this is why He must regenerate before we can believe. The natural man is at enmity with God.,
Romans 8:7-9,
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Since we're moral creatures created in God's image, it's impossible for us to be enemies of Good (God) and Evil (Satan) at the same time in the same sense. Secondly, Adam was not included in this gracious act of reconciliation, which clearly implies God passed over Adam, that is to say he left him in the state of spiritual death -- a state that puts all unsaved sinners at enmity with God.

Huh?

 

[Carbon]

Her seed was Christ. In this passage, we also have the virgin birth predicted in its kernel form.

If her seed was Christ, who is the devil's seed?

 

[makesends]

Since we're moral creatures created in God's image, it's impossible for us to be enemies of Good (God) and Evil (Satan) at the same time in the same sense

Explain this logic. Not that I disagree, but, I mean, WHY do you say it?

Secondly, Adam was not included in this gracious act of reconciliation, which clearly implies God passed over Adam, that is to say he left him in the state of spiritual death

That is a stretch. Once the deed was done, God can include anyone, including Adam, into the reconciliation. Federal headship is implied over Eve just as surely as it is implied over the rest of humanity. There was nothing special about her in this regard.

 

[Carbon]

Explain this logic. Not that I disagree, but, I mean, WHY do you say it?

That is a stretch. Once the deed was done, God can include anyone, including Adam, into the reconciliation. Federal headship is implied over Eve just as surely as it is implied over the rest of humanity. There was nothing special about her in this regard.

Yes, i'm curious also.

 

[fastfredy0]

Genesis 3:15
I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and her offspring;
he shall bruise your head,
and you shall bruise his heel.”

Genesis 3:21
And the LORD God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins and clothed them.


Do you see the gospel in those verses?

NO, in this passage alone with no other guidance I don't see how almost anyone could see the gospel. Now, with the coming of the New Testament and looking back there may be a glimmer of understanding which is enhanced by the theological narrative ... gee, people believe man can become women so believing this is the salvific gospel is easy.

Yes, I am aware it is the "protevangelium"; the first announcement of the gospel. This is the first prophecy about the Messiah (Christ), who through His death on the cross and resurrection would ultimately defeat Satan, the power behind the serpent, with a death blow. AMP
That being said, it is highly analogical and all analogies are subject to various interpretation. I've heard this interpretation enough times to bias me so as to think it is the gospel and admit it could fit.
Aside: ... but it definitely could be made more clear, though I definitely don't ultimately question the Author if the salvific gospel was His intention for, what do I know ... smile.

Aside2: @Carbon asks so many deep questions ... makes this place interesting... thx Carbon

 

[makesends]

NO, in this passage alone with no other guidance I don't see how almost anyone could see the gospel. Now, with the coming of the New Testament and looking back there may be a glimmer of understanding which is enhanced by the theological narrative ... gee, people believe man can become women so believing this is the salvific gospel is easy.

Yes, I am aware it is the "protevangelium"; the first announcement of the gospel. This is the first prophecy about the Messiah (Christ), who through His death on the cross and resurrection would ultimately defeat Satan, the power behind the serpent, with a death blow. AMP
That being said, it is highly analogical and all analogies are subject to various interpretation. I've heard this interpretation enough times to bias me so as to think it is the gospel and admit it could fit.
Aside: ... but it definitely could be made more clear, though I definitely don't ultimately question the Author if the salvific gospel was His intention for, what do I know ... smile.

Aside2: @Carbon asks so many deep questions ... makes this place interesting... thx Carbon

ditto

 

[Rufus]

Indeed.

I believe by having that enmity is how we and the world exist together. With two different natures, we cannot live the non-Christian life without serious guilt. We cannot be in non Christian places. And the reprobate do not like being around us. That's enmity. We have different natures and are at enmity with eachother.

We are born at enmity with God, this is why He must regenerate before we can believe. The natural man is at enmity with God.,
Romans 8:7-9,
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.



Huh?

Carbon, you're drifting away from the context of Gen 3;15. What we have going in that particular text is that God sovereignly decreed enmity between Eve and the Serpent. That's the locus of the passage. The text, therefore, implies that God reconciled (removed the enmity) between Eve and himself. The devil became Eve's enemy and God became her friend. It's not logically possible, as moral creatures made in the image of God, to hate God and the Devil at the same time and in the same sense,. or to serve God and the Devil. That would violate the Law of Non-Contradiction. The biblical principle that is operative here is what Jesus taught Mat 6:24. No one can serve two masters; however everyone has ONE of these masters. We either essentially and substantially love and serve God...OR we essentially and substantially love and serve something else! If not "mammon"then it would very likely be ourselves. Anyhow...this is operative principle here. By God reconciling Eve to himself, he removed the enmity that she created between herself and her Creator when she sinned.

Secondly, Unconditional Election is also implicit in the Genesis passage because God, evidently, left Adam in his state of spiritual death. Where is Adam in Gen 3:15? He's nowhere to be found. God could have easily told the serpent that he placed enmity between him and both our parents. But the text doesn't say that, does it?

In fact, it gets much worse for Adam because Gen 3:15 is so anti-cultural to what the ancient world believed about descendants. When talking about "seed" the ancients would have always thought in terms of the male's seed, and rightfully so. It was the male's seed (sperm) that always fertilized a woman's egg. Yet, God goes diametrically against the culture and talks instead about the "woman's seed". Apparently, by God reconciling Eve to himself, he made her godly. The woman, who is later called the "mother of all the living" (Gen 3:20), would have godly seed descend from her...NOT Adam! In fact, I'll ask you: Who is the [human] father of all "the living"? Your answer will make things even worse for Adam!

Are you sorry, yet, that you invited me over here?