THE ACTS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

[EarlyActs]

There was no changed life because there was no deliverance from bondage for one, and no Holy Spirit for two.
Everyone was totally in the flesh and the flesh left to its own is corrupt. But now that there's a Holy Spirit, we are now more than conquerors.

There were many healings, and the Holy Spirit did exist. When Jesus said he was going to give it, it was to accomplish the messianic age of reaching the nations--the expected outpouring. The Spirit was already at work, like Ps 51. Your comments are very simplistic and naive. I don't see the other apostles having issues like this, but maybe on new ground like when to speak like a prophet or about healing. "Totally in the flesh"???

 

[jeremiah1five]

What does the text say? What is communism?

34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, 35 And laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. 36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus, 37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles’ feet. Acts 4:34–37.

What differentiates what these believers did and what Communism is all about is that the believers did this voluntarily. That is the difference.

 

[jeremiah1five]

There were many healings, and the Holy Spirit did exist. When Jesus said he was going to give it, it was to accomplish the messianic age of reaching the nations--the expected outpouring. The Spirit was already at work, like Ps 51. Your comments are very simplistic and naive. I don't see the other apostles having issues like this, but maybe on new ground like when to speak like a prophet or about healing. "Totally in the flesh"???

But before the cross the believers did not have the Holy Spirit and there was nothing and no one to contradict the flesh in people which had no restriction so what Judas did by stealing money is in the same - even less a sin -than what Peter and the other disciples did and that was betray Jesus by denying Him and running away to leave Him to the will of the soldiers.
The Holy Spirit overshadowed prophets, priests, and kings, and Dave was prophet and king.
But the common folk did not have the Holy Spirit and were totally servants to their sin and their flesh.

 

[jeremiah1five]

What is your obsession with this topic?

Obsession?
Yes, I am obsessed with God.

 

[EarlyActs]

34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, 35 And laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. 36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus, 37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles’ feet. Acts 4:34–37.

What differentiates what these believers did and what Communism is all about is that the believers did this voluntarily. That is the difference.

what does that have to do with Judas money-management?

 

[EarlyActs]

But before the cross the believers did not have the Holy Spirit and there was nothing and no one to contradict the flesh in people which had no restriction so what Judas did by stealing money is in the same - even less a sin -than what Peter and the other disciples did and that was betray Jesus by denying Him and running away to leave Him to the will of the soldiers.
The Holy Spirit overshadowed prophets, priests, and kings, and Dave was prophet and king.
But the common folk did not have the Holy Spirit and were totally servants to their sin and their flesh.

Too much stereotyping. The outpouring of the Spirit had to do with the mission, but people knew Ps 51.

 

[EarlyActs]

Obsession?
Yes, I am obsessed with God.

That doesn't answer the question at all. Why this topic of Judas? Tired of dealing with mainstream people like Paul, John, Peter about whom there is a ton of material?

 

[jeremiah1five]

what does that have to do with Judas money-management?

What I am saying is denying that you know Jesus is worse than merely telling soldiers where Jesus hung out. Judas himself was lied to and deceived and betrayed by the priests.
But he repented and was saved.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Too much stereotyping. The outpouring of the Spirit had to do with the mission, but people knew Ps 51.

The outpouring of the Spirit was promised to Israel.
Gentiles get the crumbs that fall from their master's table.

 

[EarlyActs]

The outpouring of the Spirit was promised to Israel.
Gentiles get the crumbs that fall from their master's table.

Yes, but to take the mission to the nations so that all the world could be blessed. Gentiles get Christ too. Being a master communicator, Jesus drew the faith out of the foreign woman.

Our question is whether the Spirit does nothing until Pentecost and that is not true. He was doing things even during the 40 days of teaching because the Spirit and Word are one.

 

[EarlyActs]

What I am saying is denying that you know Jesus is worse than merely telling soldiers where Jesus hung out. Judas himself was lied to and deceived and betrayed by the priests.
But he repented and was saved.

What about Judas money-handling? Was he a zealot? They were already siphoning off for the freedom fighters.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Yes, but to take the mission to the nations so that all the world could be blessed. Gentiles get Christ too. Being a master communicator, Jesus drew the faith out of the foreign woman.

Our question is whether the Spirit does nothing until Pentecost and that is not true. He was doing things even during the 40 days of teaching because the Spirit and Word are one.

The mission to the nations was not to the nations themselves but the "Jews" living in them.
It was a mission to let the children of Israel living outside Israel and in Gentile nations know that their Messiah had come. If God witnessed to Gentiles during this process good for them but the mission was an outreach to the "Jews."

 

[jeremiah1five]

What about Judas money-handling? Was he a zealot? They were already siphoning off for the freedom fighters.

Judas is a friend of Jesus.
There are no friends of Jesus in hell.

 

[EarlyActs]

The mission to the nations was not to the nations themselves but the "Jews" living in them.
It was a mission to let the children of Israel living outside Israel and in Gentile nations know that their Messiah had come. If God witnessed to Gentiles during this process good for them but the mission was an outreach to the "Jews."

You obviously don't know the NT.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You obviously don't know the NT.

I know the gospels were written to Jews to testify that this Jesus was truly their Messiah and Only Begotten Son of God.
I know the Acts were written to Jews covering approximately the first 30 years of the history of the Acts of the Holy Spirit.
I know that since Jesus Christ was prophesied in the Old Testament, that He would be both God and man, that He would be a Jew (Judah), and that a great many Old Testament prophecies predicted His arrival to and for Israel and that He would sit on Dave's throne, and that He would be the Head of the Old Testament Church/Great Congregation and continue to build His New Testament Church that eventually would be comprised of Gentile converts to the Jewish religion of grace as described in the Abrahamic Covenant and the Mosaic Covenant, and that He would die for the sins of God's people the Church of Israel and that all the epistles written by the Jewish apostles (including Jewish Mark and Gentile Luke) would herald and describe the life and Person of Israel's Messiah and King.

It is not God's intention to create man and from man take out a people for Himself, cause a great suffering upon His elect and Chosen people, prophesy that He would send a Redeemer and Delivered from among their brethren, birth this Jewish Messiah who would be holy and grow to adulthood to eventually take upon Himself the Ministry of teaching the twelve tribes of the children of Israel the way of God more perfectly, be rejected by His own people, arrested, convicted of violation of Jewish Law, condemned to die, suffer greatly upon beatings and placed upon a Roman cross to die, be buried, raised and resurrected to life and called up to heaven to sit at the right hand of God in total victory and then to turn Him over to Gentiles. Salvation is of the Jews.

I know that due to past conquering by enemy Gentile nations and the children of Israel dispersed throughout the then-known world that Christ after He was resurrected sent His disciples out to the four cardinal points of the compass to the Gentile nations where the twelve tribes had been scattered in order to herald (inform) Israel of twelve tribes that their Messiah and King had come and gone and will return again.

I know that the known apostles to the Jews (James, Peter, John, and Saul/Paul) were sent to their Jewish brethren to herald Christ to the Jewish people and that in time Saul/Paul found his calling of heralding Christ to Gentiles.

I know some other things about New Testament history as well but space and time (space-time, thank you, Einstein) is limited so I'll stop right here.

 

[EarlyActs]

I know the gospels were written to Jews to testify that this Jesus was truly their Messiah and Only Begotten Son of God.
I know the Acts were written to Jews covering approximately the first 30 years of the history of the Acts of the Holy Spirit.
I know that since Jesus Christ was prophesied in the Old Testament, that He would be both God and man, that He would be a Jew (Judah), and that a great many Old Testament prophecies predicted His arrival to and for Israel and that He would sit on Dave's throne, and that He would be the Head of the Old Testament Church/Great Congregation and continue to build His New Testament Church that eventually would be comprised of Gentile converts to the Jewish religion of grace as described in the Abrahamic Covenant and the Mosaic Covenant, and that He would die for the sins of God's people the Church of Israel and that all the epistles written by the Jewish apostles (including Jewish Mark and Gentile Luke) would herald and describe the life and Person of Israel's Messiah and King.

It is not God's intention to create man and from man take out a people for Himself, cause a great suffering upon His elect and Chosen people, prophesy that He would send a Redeemer and Delivered from among their brethren, birth this Jewish Messiah who would be holy and grow to adulthood to eventually take upon Himself the Ministry of teaching the twelve tribes of the children of Israel the way of God more perfectly, be rejected by His own people, arrested, convicted of violation of Jewish Law, condemned to die, suffer greatly upon beatings and placed upon a Roman cross to die, be buried, raised and resurrected to life and called up to heaven to sit at the right hand of God in total victory and then to turn Him over to Gentiles. Salvation is of the Jews.

I know that due to past conquering by enemy Gentile nations and the children of Israel dispersed throughout the then-known world that Christ after He was resurrected sent His disciples out to the four cardinal points of the compass to the Gentile nations where the twelve tribes had been scattered in order to herald (inform) Israel of twelve tribes that their Messiah and King had come and gone and will return again.

I know that the known apostles to the Jews (James, Peter, John, and Saul/Paul) were sent to their Jewish brethren to herald Christ to the Jewish people and that in time Saul/Paul found his calling of heralding Christ to Gentiles.

I know some other things about New Testament history as well but space and time (space-time, thank you, Einstein) is limited so I'll stop right here.

Your only off by an important notch in the gear. It probably would be best to start with the centrality of 'In the Seed all the nations will be blessed.' That came true in Christ and was meant for all people. It's the "us" of Romans 9:24, Jews and Gentiles who believe. It is not about the race-nation, nor ever was.

the Jewish religion of grace

This is an interesting line! It's true it always was there, but if we don't refer to the veil, we haven't said anything. To know the NT is to know that most of it is written to detangle people from what the Judaizers thought the OT and the Law was saying.

Well, there is the problem of using the word 'religion' too. I really don't know any reference where 'religion of grace' can escape being an oxymoron, because a religion is for establishing one's own righteousness; it is not rational, because it is for imposing dogma; and it reverses the 'rhythm' of grace, in all cases that I know. The worshipper obligates God, and God owes him. The opposite of what Rom 11's doxology song says.

Another important hint is that the mission to the nations was always in view. Don't be confused by the practice round to Israel in Mt 10 etc.

 

[donadams]

Are we required to obey and hear men?

 

[EarlyActs]

Could render your interp of Amos 9 in Acts 15?

 

[Arch Stanton]

No 12 is 12, not 13,14,15,20,50 100 etc........

There are 12 Apostles- foundation stones.

next............

and Barnabas --

Acts 14:14 But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of this, they tore their clothes and rushed out into the crowd, shouting: