THE ACTS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

[jeremiah1five]

Ephesians 4:7-11 (KJV)
7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

In Ephesians verse 11 are listed the Gift Ministries, also known as the Five-Fold Ministry.
Each digit in the Hand of God represents one of these five ministries. The hand represents service and each ministry is a service to the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Along with the spiritual gifts named in 1 Corinthians 12 and Romans 12 the Scripture describes other manifestations of the Holy Spirit in both Testaments. This is why I named this thread THE ACTS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.
The thumb is represented by the apostle, the index or pointing finger represents the prophet, the long or middle finger represents the evangelist, the ring finger represents the pastor or shepherd, the little finger represents the teacher who balances the hand. All these gift ministries and spiritual gifts are the presence of Christ in His people. These ministries are given to the Church for:

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love. Eph 4:12–16.

These ministries are NOT For the perfecting of the world, NOT for the work of the unbelievers, and NOT for the edifying of the world.
These are all spiritual gifts for a spiritual people of God.

Christ was Apostle:
Hebrews 3:1 (KJV)
1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Christ was Prophet:
John 4:19 (KJV)
19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.

Christ was Evangelist:
Matthew 4:17 (KJV)
17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Christ was Pastor:
John 10:11 (KJV)
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

Christ was Teacher:
John 3:2 (KJV)
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

To deny these ministries in the Body of Christ is to deny the life of Christ in His people.
Scripture identifies this spirit that does this as the spirit of antichrist.
What God began and continued at Pentecost described in Acts 2 remains to this day Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ.

 

[civic]

Do you believe there are still Apostles and Prophets today like those Paul was talking about in Ephesians 4:11 ?

cf Ephesians 2:20 below

Ephesians 2:19- 22
Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Do you believe there are still Apostles and Prophets today like those Paul was talking about in Ephesians 4:11 ?

cf Ephesians 2:20 below

Ephesians 2:19- 22
Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

Of course. The spiritual gifts are the manifestation of the Presence of Christ Himself in His people.
To deny Christ is to be antichrist as John said.

 

[civic]

Of course. The spiritual gifts are the manifestation of the Presence of Christ Himself in His people.
To deny Christ is to be antichrist as John said.

This will be where we disagree as there are only the 12 apostles and Paul who wrote scripture and they are the foundation . That office in the church is no longer in existence nor necessary and the same is true with the prophets .

 

[Marilyn C]

Do you believe there are still Apostles and Prophets today like those Paul was talking about in Ephesians 4:11 ?

cf Ephesians 2:20 below

Ephesians 2:19- 22
Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

`For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Christ Jesus.` (1 Cor. 3: 11)

It is the revelation of Jesus that the apostles and prophets spoke. They as men are NOT the foundation of the Body of Christ.

 

[Marilyn C]

This will be where we disagree as there are only the 12 apostles and Paul who wrote scripture and they are the foundation . That office in the church is no longer in existence nor necessary and the same is true with the prophets .

The 12 apostles were to `witness` of Christ`s life, death, resurrection and ascension. (Acts 1: 22)

The Apostles that the Lord gave when He was with the Father on high, are many and for the equipping of the saints and for edifying of the Body of Christ. (Eph. 4: 12)

Apostles to the Body of Christ.

APOSTLES GIVEN AFTER CHRIST`S ASCENSION.

Apostle Paul -

`Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God,...` (2 Cor. 1; 1)


Apostle Silvanus -

`Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy....as apostles of Christ....` (1 Thess. 1: 1 & 2: 6)


Apostle Timothy -

`Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy....as apostles of Christ....` (1 Thess. 1: 1 & 2: 6)


Apostle Andronicus -

`Greet Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen and fellow prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who were in Christ before me.` (Rom. 16: 7)


Apostle Junia -

Greet Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen and fellow prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who were in Christ before me.` (Rom. 16: 7)


Apostle James - (The Lord`s brother, not James the son of Zebedee, Matt. 10: 2)

`But I saw none of the other apostles except James, the Lord`s brother.` (Gal. 1: 19)


Apostle Epaphroditus - ( messenger is Gk. word `apostolos` meaning Apostle.)

`Yet I considered it necessary to send to you Epaphroditus, my brother, fellow worker and fellow soldier, but your messenger, (apostolos/apostle) ...` (Phil. 2: 25)


Apostle Titus - (He does the work of an Apostle.)

`For this reason I left you in Crete, that you should set in order the things that are lacking, and appoint elders in every city as I commanded you - ` (Titus 1: 5)

 

[civic]

`For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Christ Jesus.` (1 Cor. 3: 11)

It is the revelation of Jesus that the apostles and prophets spoke. They as men are NOT the foundation of the Body of Christ.

It is sometimes claimed (for example, by the Mormon church, and by the Christian organization known as Gospel Outreach) that God intends for the church to have the office of apostle operative today. The Scriptures, however, indicate that the apostleship was strictly a first-century office.

Jesus trained the Twelve to be preachers, teachers, and evangelists for Him after His death and resurrection (John 14-17; Matthew 16:18-19; 18:17-18; etc.). The apostles would speak with authority, not only because they had the Holy Spirit teaching them, but also because they were eyewitnesses of the saving events of Christ's death and resurrection (John 14:26; 15:26-27).

The apostles, therefore, were trained by Jesus to play a vital and unrepeatable role in the history of the church. While the Holy Spirit still dwells in the church, there are no more apostles, since an apostle was required to have been an eyewitness of the resurrected Christ (Acts 1:21-26; 5:32; Luke 1:1-4; Ephesians 3:4-5; I Corinthians 9:1). Given the fact that no one living during the past eighteen centuries has seen the risen Jesus (despite the claims of persons such as Joseph Smith) it is impossible that during this period we should have "apostles."

The New Testament indicates rather clearly that the apostleship did end in the first century. In Paul's recounting of the resurrection appearances, he ends with his own, saying, "and last of all, as to one untimely born, He appeared also to me" (I Corinthians 15:8). Elsewhere, Paul speaks of the church as "having been built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the cornerstone" (Ephesians 2:20). Just as we do not lay new cornerstones from time to time to replace the old one, so too, we do not lay a new foundation of apostles and prophets over and over. The foundation of the apostolic witness to Christ and the prophetic revelations which pointed to and interpreted the saving acts of Christ has been laid; it does not need to be laid again. Whenever teachers come along with "new revelations from God," they are attempting to lay a foundation which has already been laid (see I Corinthians 3:11).

It is sometimes argued that Paul clearly implies the perpetuity of apostles and prophets in Ephesians 4:11-13. On a superficial reading of the passage, it might seem to be saying that Christ gave apostles and prophets to the church "until we all attain to the unity of the faith," thus implying that these offices continue until the church is perfected. This interpretation is incorrect, though, for the following reasons:


(1) Paul has already set apostles and prophets in a class by themselves in Ephesians 2:20.
(2) If apostles and prophets were intended by Christ to continue until the church was perfected, how is it that a second generation of apostles was never chosen? Why did not the New Testament apostles appoint successors for themselves? And how is it that God's purpose in establishing the church could be so completely frustrated (Matthew 16:18; Jude 3)?
(3) The point of Ephesians 4:11-13 is that "the building up of the body of Christ" (vs. 12) will continue "until" the church is matured (vs. 13). The first-century apostles and prophets have fully "equipped" (vs. 12a) the church with the revelations given in the New Testament, combined with the Old Testament, so that all of the information the church needs to do its tasks is contained in Scripture (II Timothy 3:16-17).

The Epistle of Jude also bears witness to the first-century Christian conviction that the days of the apostles and of gospel revelations were foundational and not ongoing. Jude speaks of "the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints" (Jude 3). The expression "once for all" clearly indicates that the "delivery" of the faith is complete, so that we should not look for a new revelation. Indeed, the new teachings of certain persons (Jude 4) are condemned for this very reason. The way to avoid the trap of heresy, says Jude, is to "remember the words that were spoken beforehand by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ" (Jude 17). When Jude was writing, the apostles were either a phenomenon of the past, or were fast becoming so.

The apostle Peter also made it clear that he thought the apostolic period was ending in his day. II Peter appears to have been written by Peter as he awaited martyrdom. In this epistle, he does not urge his readers to look to the next apostle or apostles for leadership, but rather to remember the apostolic message after he is gone (II Peter 1:12-15). Like Jude, Peter warns of false teachers who will take advantage of the lack of apostolic presence, and "secretly introduce destructive heresies" (2:1). The solution, says Peter, is to "remember the words spoken beforehand by the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior spoken by your apostles" (3:2). They are to seek diligently to follow the teachings of the apostles, particularly Paul, despite the fact that he is often misinterpreted by "the untaught and unstable" (3:14-16). Therefore, Peter did not look for the continuation of apostolic authority, but rather for the church to follow what the departing apostles had taught. Like Jude, he does not say, "Listen to the apostles living today" (as the Mormons and other groups with apostles say), but instead urges us, "Remember what the apostles said."

That the apostleship was confined to the first-century church does not necessarily mean that only the Twelve and Paul were apostles. Barnabas (Acts 14:14) was certainly an apostle, as was Silas (I Thessalonians 2:6; cf. 1:1); Andronicus and Junia may also have been apostles (Romans 16:7). That Timothy is not included as an apostle in I Thessalonians 2:6 is implied by 3:1-2, where "we" means Paul and Silas distinct from Timothy. We know that Timothy was not an apostolic eyewitness of the risen Jesus, because he was led to Christ by Paul (I Timothy 1:12,18; II Timothy 1:2; 2:1-2). There is no reason to doubt that Barnabas, Silas, Andronicus, and Junia may not all have been among the over 500 witnesses to the resurrection of Christ (I Corinthians 15:6), and thus "apostles" in the strict sense.

Finally, the word "apostle" appears to be used in the sense of a church's missionary in Philippians 2:25 (of Epaphroditus, whom Paul calls "your apostle") and II Corinthians 8:23 ("apostles of the churches"). If so, though, these men have neither ecclesiastical authority nor revelational gifts; they are simply missionaries. This is not the sense in which "apostle" is used by those claiming to have restored the apostleship to the church.

conclusion: the apostleship ended with the death of the apostles appointed by Christ Himself in the first century. With them died the authority to speak definitively for God. We should therefore reject the claims of any religious organization or teacher who claims that the office of apostle has been restored to the church today.CRI

hope this helps !!!

 

[Wordsmith]

The Scriptures, however, indicate that the apostleship was strictly a first-century office.

Where is the verse or verses that say this?

 

[civic]

Where is the verse or verses that say this?

Its explained in my previous post by Peter.

 

[Wordsmith]

Its explained in my previous post by Peter.

I read your post before I ask the question and I reread the Peter portion and still do not see where scripture says what you claimed. I agree there will never be anymore apostles in the same position as the 12 but IMHO that has nothing to do with:

Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Or

1 Corinthians 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

You did go through in great detail in how you remove Apostle from the above verses but I still see no clear admonition that we can divide out certain positions and gifts God set in the church.

Do you keep evangelist, pastors and teachers while removing apostles and prophets from Ephesians 4 ?

Do you keep helps and government, while removing gifts of healings, and diversities of tongues from 1 Corinthians 12 ?

I see no authority in scripture to remove any of these things while keeping others.

 

[jeremiah1five]

This will be where we disagree as there are only the 12 apostles and Paul who wrote scripture and they are the foundation . That office in the church is no longer in existence nor necessary and the same is true with the prophets .

Yes, they (Scripture) are the foundation.

 

[civic]

I read your post before I ask the question and I reread the Peter portion and still do not see where scripture says what you claimed. I agree there will never be anymore apostles in the same position as the 12 but IMHO that has nothing to do with:

Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Or

1 Corinthians 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

You did go through in great detail in how you remove Apostle from the above verses but I still see no clear admonition that we can divide out certain positions and gifts God set in the church.

Do you keep evangelist, pastors and teachers while removing apostles and prophets from Ephesians 4 ?

Do you keep helps and government, while removing gifts of healings, and diversities of tongues from 1 Corinthians 12 ?

I see no authority in scripture to remove any of these things while keeping others.

Yes the active offices/ gifts in the church now are Pastors, teachers, evangelists. There are no more Apostles or Prophets giving new revelation or teaching directly from God. We have that in our New Testament the foundation of churches doctrine/teaching.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Peter was in the flesh when he gave a physical requirement for a spiritual office. All one had to do was to physically witness the baptism of Jesus until He was taken away. There's a problem there that a spiritual office of apostle or prophet required a physical qualification.
To deny the life of Christ in His people (apostle, prophet) is to deny Christ.

 

[Wordsmith]

Yes the active offices/ gifts in the church now are Pastors, teachers, evangelists. There are no more Apostles or Prophets giving new revelation or teaching directly from God. We have that in our New Testament the foundation of churches doctrine/teaching.

Let’s break this down, yes I agree there is no new revelation as in new scripture but that is not the role of Apostles and Prophets in this church age we are now in. There is no scripture to remove those two offices from the church. There were Apostles referred to in the NT that did not write scripture just as there are today. What did Apostles do in scripture? They started churches preached and spread the gospel just as what many of us call missionaries do today. There are Prophets today and no they do not write scripture but they do speak to the church as directed by God. Bottom line is that many try to remove these two offices that God set in the church just as they do certain gifts without scriptural authority to do so. Why are we given instruction on how these things should operate in the church and be judged by the church if they do not exist? God still speaks to His people in various ways, sometimes through His children. You don’t have to believe it but you cannot scripturally remove it.

 

[Marilyn C]

conclusion: the apostleship ended with the death of the apostles appointed by Christ Himself in the first century. With them died the authority to speak definitively for God. We should therefore reject the claims of any religious organization or teacher who claims that the office of apostle has been restored to the church today.CRI

hope this helps !!!

You didn`t address the scriptures I gave.

The 12 apostles were to `witness` of Christ`s life, death, resurrection and ascension. (Acts 1: 22)

The Apostles that the Lord gave when He was with the Father on high, are many and for the equipping of the saints and for edifying of the Body of Christ. (Eph. 4: 12)

Apostles to the Body of Christ.

APOSTLES GIVEN AFTER CHRIST`S ASCENSION.

Apostle Paul -

`Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God,...` (2 Cor. 1; 1)


Apostle Silvanus -

`Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy....as apostles of Christ....` (1 Thess. 1: 1 & 2: 6)


Apostle Timothy -

`Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy....as apostles of Christ....` (1 Thess. 1: 1 & 2: 6)


Apostle Andronicus -

`Greet Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen and fellow prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who were in Christ before me.` (Rom. 16: 7)


Apostle Junia -

Greet Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen and fellow prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who were in Christ before me.` (Rom. 16: 7)


Apostle James - (The Lord`s brother, not James the son of Zebedee, Matt. 10: 2)

`But I saw none of the other apostles except James, the Lord`s brother.` (Gal. 1: 19)


Apostle Epaphroditus - ( messenger is Gk. word `apostolos` meaning Apostle.)

`Yet I considered it necessary to send to you Epaphroditus, my brother, fellow worker and fellow soldier, but your messenger, (apostolos/apostle) ...` (Phil. 2: 25)


Apostle Titus - (He does the work of an Apostle.)

`For this reason I left you in Crete, that you should set in order the things that are lacking, and appoint elders in every city as I commanded you - ` (Titus 1: 5)

 

[civic]

You didn`t address the scriptures I gave.

The 12 apostles were to `witness` of Christ`s life, death, resurrection and ascension. (Acts 1: 22)

The Apostles that the Lord gave when He was with the Father on high, are many and for the equipping of the saints and for edifying of the Body of Christ. (Eph. 4: 12)

Apostles to the Body of Christ.

APOSTLES GIVEN AFTER CHRIST`S ASCENSION.

Apostle Paul -

`Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God,...` (2 Cor. 1; 1)


Apostle Silvanus -

`Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy....as apostles of Christ....` (1 Thess. 1: 1 & 2: 6)


Apostle Timothy -

`Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy....as apostles of Christ....` (1 Thess. 1: 1 & 2: 6)


Apostle Andronicus -

`Greet Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen and fellow prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who were in Christ before me.` (Rom. 16: 7)


Apostle Junia -

Greet Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen and fellow prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who were in Christ before me.` (Rom. 16: 7)


Apostle James - (The Lord`s brother, not James the son of Zebedee, Matt. 10: 2)

`But I saw none of the other apostles except James, the Lord`s brother.` (Gal. 1: 19)


Apostle Epaphroditus - ( messenger is Gk. word `apostolos` meaning Apostle.)

`Yet I considered it necessary to send to you Epaphroditus, my brother, fellow worker and fellow soldier, but your messenger, (apostolos/apostle) ...` (Phil. 2: 25)


Apostle Titus - (He does the work of an Apostle.)

`For this reason I left you in Crete, that you should set in order the things that are lacking, and appoint elders in every city as I commanded you - ` (Titus 1: 5)

I will give you the qualifications for an Apostle in the primary sense as in the office that Christ appointed them, and Paul declares he was the last one who saw Jesus Resurrected. Timothy and the others mentioned never were EYEWITNESSES of His Resurrection nor APPOINTED by Jesus PERSONALLY.

Ephesians 2:19-20
So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone,

Acts 1:21-22
Therefore it is necessary to choose one of the men who have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22 beginning from John's baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection."

1 Corinthians 9:1-2
Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are you not the result of my work in the Lord? 2 Even though I may not be an apostle to others, surely I am to you! For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:8-9
8 and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.
9 For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God

LAST of all He appeared to me ( Paul ). That means NO ONE AFTER PAUL.

Acts 9:15
But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel.

Revelation 21:14
The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

There are 12 Apostles- not 13, 14,15, 20, 50, 100 etc.......... There are 12 period. The 12 Apostles are the foundation Rev 21:14 cf Eph 2:20

The Apostles also performed miracles, signs and wonders as confirmation they were sent by God/Christ. Acts 2:43 cf 2 Corinthians 2:12.

hope this helps !!!

 

[jeremiah1five]

I will give you the qualifications for an Apostle in the primary sense as in the office that Christ appointed them, and Paul declares he was the last one who saw Jesus Resurrected. Timothy and the others mentioned never were EYEWITNESSES of His Resurrection nor APPOINTED by Jesus PERSONALLY.

Ephesians 2:19-20
So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone,

Acts 1:21-22
Therefore it is necessary to choose one of the men who have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22 beginning from John's baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection."

1 Corinthians 9:1-2
Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are you not the result of my work in the Lord? 2 Even though I may not be an apostle to others, surely I am to you! For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:8-9
8 and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.
9 For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God

LAST of all He appeared to me ( Paul ). That means NO ONE AFTER PAUL.

Acts 9:15
But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel.

Revelation 21:14
The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

There are 12 Apostles- not 13, 14,15, 20, 50, 100 etc.......... There are 12 period. The 12 Apostles are the foundation Rev 21:14 cf Eph 2:20

The Apostles also performed miracles, signs and wonders as confirmation they were sent by God/Christ. Acts 2:43 cf 2 Corinthians 2:12.

hope this helps !!!

Peter was in the flesh and without the Holy Spirit when he stood up and gave his speech in Acts 1:15-26.
Was he appointing an apostle when Scripture states that God sets everyone in the body as it pleases Him? Or does Peter carry and exercise such an authority to appoint apostles?
You do know that what Peter did was a sin and that his actions are the basis of many cults and false churches that use this error to their advantage to establish authority to appoint apostles in their respective churches.
And since all these spiritual gifts and gift ministries are all held by Christ [the Spirit], to deny the Life of Christ in His people [apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor, teacher] is to deny Christ?
And why does Peter give a natural or physical qualification to merely have seen with his eyes Jesus from baptism to ascension in order to qualify for a spiritual office? Doesn't that trouble you?

Besides, the twelve apostles of the Lamb include Judas as he was a true apostle of the LAMB (which dates these apostles as when Jesus Christ was on the planet.)

 

[civic]

Peter was in the flesh and without the Holy Spirit when he stood up and gave his speech in Acts 1:15-26.
Was he appointing an apostle when Scripture states that God sets everyone in the body as it pleases Him? Or does Peter carry and exercise such an authority to appoint apostles?
You do know that what Peter did was a sin and that his actions are the basis of many cults and false churches that use this error to their advantage to establish authority to appoint apostles in their respective churches.
And since all these spiritual gifts and gift ministries are all held by Christ [the Spirit], to deny the Life of Christ in His people [apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor, teacher] is to deny Christ?

The Spirit did not indwell the Apostles until the Day of Pentecost. That is when they began transform the world by the power of the Holy Spirit.

Where did I imply it was otherwise when I talked about the qualifications for an Apostle ?

 

[jeremiah1five]

The Spirit did not indwell the Apostles until the Day of Pentecost. That is when they began transform the world by the power of the Holy Spirit.

Where did I imply it was otherwise when I talked about the qualifications for an Apostle ?

You hold that according to your understanding of the qualifications as written to qualify to be apostle one has to only witness Jesus from baptism to ascension. Isn't that what Peter said?

21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection. Ac 1:21–22.

A natural or physical qualification for a spiritual office.

 

[civic]

You hold that according to your understanding of the qualifications as written to qualify to be apostle one has to only witness Jesus from baptism to ascension. Isn't that what Peter said?

21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection. Ac 1:21–22.

A natural or physical qualification for a spiritual office.

A witness of His Bodily Resurrection like I have said all along.