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Scriptures that show that Christs death saved a person while in unbelief!

God enables Godly repentance which leads to the knowledge of the truth. God enables such people to receive the message=GRACE

We are saved by GRACE through faith.

Unbelievers don't belong to God. His enemies could NOT accept the truth. Some walked away saying His living bread that came down from heaven was to hard for them to accept. He asked His disciples, (implied the apostles), if they wanted to leave as well. They stated where would they go as He alone had the words of eternal life. Jesus states have I not chosen you but one of you is the devil.

Jesus to his adversary's (enemies)=>
Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

Hear what?-"the truth" Jesus stated He told them "the truth." They could not accept His words.
I think we are saying the same thing.

Some of your comments seemed that the unsaved can worship the Lord.

Many words can bring confusion.

Such as this comment in Post #48
You think Lydia and Cornelis were enemies of God? Both worshipped God beforehand.

And Post #58
I believe there are those who sin but love God in their heart. They fear God and this pleases the Lord. Who states come! Called by God.
 
I think we are saying the same thing.

Some of your comments seemed that the unsaved can worship the Lord.

Many words can bring confusion.

Such as this comment in Post #48


And Post #58
I believe the external witness of the Spirit can be with one who believes in Christ before the Spirit reality of Christ in us just as it was with Jesus's disciples. As Jesus stated you know Him for He was with you and will be in you.

Thats whats stated, "She was a worshiper of God" beforehand As in one who loves God.

One of those listening was a woman from the city of Thyatira named Lydia, a dealer in purple cloth. She was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul’s message.

I think one who prays to God and gives to the poor is also one who worships/loves God
‘Cornelius, God has heard your prayer and remembered your gifts to the poor.

We have examples apart from being saved of this as was shown
One who loves God is known by God
 
Thats whats stated, "She was a worshiper of God" beforehand As in one who loves God.
Because she was already regenerated, her heart was the good ground heart prepared to receive the Truth and bear fruit Matt 13:23

23 ;But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

God sent her a gospel preacher in Paul to give her understanding of the God she worshipped. Same with Cornelius he was already regenerated, good ground, Peter was sent to him
 
I believe the external witness of the Spirit can be with one who believes in Christ before the Spirit reality of Christ in us just as it was with Jesus's disciples. As Jesus stated you know Him for He was with you and will be in you.

Thats whats stated, "She was a worshiper of God" beforehand As in one who loves God.

One of those listening was a woman from the city of Thyatira named Lydia, a dealer in purple cloth. She was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul’s message.

I think one who prays to God and gives to the poor is also one who worships/loves God
‘Cornelius, God has heard your prayer and remembered your gifts to the poor.

We have examples apart from being saved of this as was shown
One who loves God is known by God
Just a few comments on the verse...

In Thyatira, Lydia had become a believer in Israel’s God and, as a Gentile, was classified as a God-fearer (10:2; 13:16, 26, 50). That is, the Jews had not fully accepted her as a convert. In Philippi, she faithfully worshiped on the Sabbath at the place of prayer. When Paul taught the gospel of Christ, she listened attentively to his words.

2. The Lord’s work. The exalted Christ prepared Lydia through the synagogue teaching of the Old Testament. Now he sent Paul and the other missionaries to Philippi so that Lydia was able to hear the message of salvation. Luke ascribes to the Lord, not to Paul, the act of saving Lydia. Salvation, then, is not man’s work but the Lord’s. Not the word itself, but the Lord himself (Luke 24:45), opens the human heart. The result is that Lydia responds to Paul’s message and accepts the Lord as her Savior.

Simon J. Kistemaker and William Hendriksen, Exposition of the Acts of the Apostles, vol. 17, New Testament Commentary (Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1953–2001), 590.


The phrase a worshiper of God shows that Lydia, like Cornelius (Acts 10:2), was a believer in the God of Israel. She had not yet, however, become a full proselyte to Judaism.

Lydia’s seeking was the first step of her spiritual liberation. Yet she, like all sinners, did not seek God on her own until He sought her. In Romans 3:11, Paul wrote, “There is none who understands, there is none who seeks for God.” “No one can come to Me,” declared the Lord Jesus Christ, “unless the Father who sent Me draws him” (John 6:44).

Her conversion, and those of Cornelius and the Ethiopian eunuch, illustrate an important principle. An often-asked question about evangelism concerns the fate of those who never hear the gospel. Lydia’s conversion shows that God will reveal the fullness of the gospel to those whom He causes to honestly seek Him. In John 6:37, Jesus said, “All that the Father gives Me shall come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out.” God will never turn away the seeking heart.

Not only was Lydia seeking, but she also was listening to the gospel proclaimed by Paul. Many hear the sound of the life-giving message preached without really listening to it. They are like Paul’s companions on the Damascus Road, who, although they heard its sound, “did not understand the voice of the One who was speaking” (Acts 22:9)
John F. MacArthur Jr., Acts, vol. 2, MacArthur New Testament Commentary (Chicago: Moody Press, 1994), 93.
 
Just a few comments on the verse...
What was given was that she worshipped the one true God and upon hearing at that point in history, the new message of life in Christ, God opened her heart to believe/receive the message.

She belonged to God and He gave her to Christ.

As Jesus testified to the Father, "they were yours; you gave them to me" and "all that the Father gives me will come to me"

Those who belong to God hear/receive the truth from God and Jesus stated the reason of unbelief found in His adversaries was that they did not belong to God.
 
Because she was already regenerated, her heart was the good ground heart prepared to receive the Truth and bear fruit Matt 13:23

23 ;But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

God sent her a gospel preacher in Paul to give her understanding of the God she worshipped. Same with Cornelius he was already regenerated, good ground, Peter was sent to him
I think those who love God are known by God.
 
God by the Death of Christ has reconciled many for whom Chrisr died, by His death even while they are being enemies/unbelievers Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Now being thus reconciled they are not under any condemnation from God even as unbelievers, Thanks solely to the Death of Christ.
 
I think those who love God are known by God.
Only the regenerated have been given a heart to love God, its not natural Deut 30/6

And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

God will regenerate and give a new heart them He first loved 1 Jn 4 19

We love him, because he first loved us.

Thats also how we know God didnt or doesnt love all mankind else all mankind would love God.
 
God by the Death of Christ has reconciled many for whom Chrisr died, by His death even while they are being enemies/unbelievers Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Now being thus reconciled they are not under any condemnation from God even as unbelievers, Thanks solely to the Death of Christ.
From what little we were given of Lydia and Cornelious in the NT they were not enemies of God. Their actions showed they loved God. And Gods actions showed His favor rested on them.
Ground zero is accepted as dead in your sins. If you want to define such as an enemy fine.

Both had faith in God. Both had not yet heard of Jesus. Both believed and accepted the testimony of Jesus when it was presented to them. Both became members of the body of Christ.

There is no reconciliation found in unbelief. So, if one is to be saved God gives the belief to them first.

Saved by grace through "faith" and "this not of ourselves"
 
Only the regenerated have been given a heart to love God, its not natural Deut 30/6

And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

God will regenerate and give a new heart them He first loved 1 Jn 4 19

We love him, because he first loved us.

Thats also how we know God didnt or doesnt love all mankind else all mankind would love God.
I would state they shall all be taught by God. Those who listen and learn from the Father go to the Son. And it is the Fathers will for all that He gives to the Son that the Son shall raise them up on the last day.

How are you defining regenerated?

The Holy Spirit was with the disciples before He was in them and Jesus stated they already knew Him.
 
What was given was that she worshipped the one true God and upon hearing at that point in history, the new message of life in Christ, God opened her heart to believe/receive the message.

She belonged to God and He gave her to Christ.

As Jesus testified to the Father, "they were yours; you gave them to me" and "all that the Father gives me will come to me"

Those who belong to God hear/receive the truth from God and Jesus stated the reason of unbelief found in His adversaries was that they did not belong to God.
I understand what you are saying.

However, there was no true "worship" of God before salvation.

Only with regeneration and Holy Spirit's indwelling in a person can there be true worship of the Lord.
 
From what little we were given of Lydia and Cornelious in the NT they were not enemies of God. Their actions showed they loved God.
You havent paid attention to a thing I said
 
I understand what you are saying.

However, there was no true "worship" of God before salvation.

Only with regeneration and Holy Spirit's indwelling in a person can there be true worship of the Lord.
You know the testimony states she was a worshipper of God.

Enoch was taking up alive to heaven.

If it's easier for you to accept then we can state they had "faith" in God.

Hebrews 11:5​

 
You havent paid attention to a thing I said
I have heard that God saves unbelievers and his enemies.

How much more than can He save those who loved Him and had faith in Him.

Long before Christ came it was stated God delights in those who fear Him. Those who put their hope in His unfailing love.

Our sins can only be taken away by the blood of Christ, but I don't classify everyone was an enemy of God beforehand.

Why can't we stay with this? "We are saved by grace through faith and this not of ourselves"

What is your agenda?

I believe I was chosen. I don't believe it was before I did good or bad.

There was never a point in my life that I can remember that I didn't believe in Christ, but I was steered to Christ from my beginning by Christian parents.
 
You havent paid attention to a thing I said
I'm thinking @Paul just can't absorb it. It doesn't say to him what it says to you, because the whole frame of reference, the very center of the universe, its cause and purpose, is different.
 
You know the testimony states she was a worshipper of God.

Enoch was taking up alive to heaven.

If it's easier for you to accept then we can state they had "faith" in God.

Hebrews 11:5​

1 Corinthians 2:14 But a natural man does not accept the depths of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually examined.

So you are telling me that the unsaved can worship the Lord, even though they are haters of God?

Hebrews 11:5​

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was taken up so that he would not see death; AND HE WAS NOT FOUND BECAUSE GOD TOOK HIM UP; for prior to being taken up, he was approved as being pleasing to God.

Enoch was saved, before he was taken to heaven. By faith, which is required for salvation.

Genesis 5:21 And Enoch lived 65 years and became the father of Methuselah.
Genesis 5:22 Then Enoch walked with God 300 years after he became the father of Methuselah, and he became the father of other sons and daughters.
Genesis 5:23 So all the days of Enoch were 365 years.
Genesis 5:24 Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him. In Genesis, Enoch is described twice as “walking with God,” a phrase that the Greek Old Testament translates as “
pleased God,” using the same word for being “well-pleasing” found in Hebrews 11:5–6.2 The equivalence matters: walking with God is pleasing God.
 
I have heard that God saves unbelievers and his enemies.

How much more than can He save those who loved Him and had faith in Him.

Long before Christ came it was stated God delights in those who fear Him. Those who put their hope in His unfailing love.

Our sins can only be taken away by the blood of Christ, but I don't classify everyone was an enemy of God beforehand.

Why can't we stay with this? "We are saved by grace through faith and this not of ourselves"

What is your agenda?

I believe I was chosen. I don't believe it was before I did good or bad.

There was never a point in my life that I can remember that I didn't believe in Christ, but I was steered to Christ from my beginning by Christian parents.

but I don't classify everyone was an enemy of God beforehand.

You may not.

But God and His written word does.
 
You may not.

But God and His written word does.
Because of behavior (slaves to sin).
I have read Gods word and I also read of those who had "faith" in God. They put their hope and trust in Him. And this prior to Jesus.

Ground zero is we are dead in our sin which can only be removed by being baptized into Christs death who took our punishment upon Himself.
 
They put their hope and trust in Him. And this prior to Jesus.
Was it their own faith?

Where did that faith come from?

Is that not faith for salvation?
 
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