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Romans 9 from a free will prespective

@JIM

Since God chose an elect, Christ came to suffer the wrath of God in their place having their sins imputed unto him, and Christ’s righteousness imputed unto the elect. How can the elect not be saved?
Sorry the previous post was sent before I saw this response.

If an elect cannot be lost, then I don't understand your comment in post #331 above.
 
The man is trying to explain something to you, give him the Courtesy of doing so.
But I didn't say anything about God's purpose. Why is he trying to imply that I did?
 
Sorry the previous post was sent before I saw this response.

If an elect cannot be lost, then I don't understand your comment in post #331 above.
I’m not sure what you don’t understand, sorry. Care to explain?
 
I’m not sure what you don’t understand, sorry. Care to explain?
It seems to me that if an elect cannot be lost, then the statement that God's not wishing any should perish, but that all should come to repentance is more than a little strange.
 
Not just strange, but wrong.
 
It seems to me that if an elect cannot be lost, then the statement that God's not wishing any should perish, but that all should come to repentance is more than a little strange.
At first glance I could see how some could think so. But keep in mind God’s will is being shown to us. If God is not willing that you be lost and perish, that should be a blessing of assurance. And also you have to understand it in its context.

The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. 2 Peter 3:9.

Think about the comfort and assurance in this verse. Though these Christian’s were being mocked, and persecuted, they are being comforted and assured that God will fulfill His promise. But there are more of His chosen out in the world and even that haven’t been born yet, and God will not loose any. They will come to repentance. When the last elect finally comes, then it’s the end.
Also, God’s word speaks to us as we understand and by doing so, it comforts and assures. God is not subject by time, therefore He does not need patience, those words are for our benefit and assurance.
 
At first glance I could see how some could think so. But keep in mind God’s will is being shown to us. If God is not willing that you be lost and perish, that should be a blessing of assurance. And also you have to understand it in its context.

The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. 2 Peter 3:9.

Think about the comfort and assurance in this verse. Though these Christian’s were being mocked, and persecuted, they are being comforted and assured that God will fulfill His promise. But there are more of His chosen out in the world and even that haven’t been born yet, and God will not loose any. They will come to repentance. When the last elect finally comes, then it’s the end.
Also, God’s word speaks to us as we understand and by doing so, it comforts and assures. God is not subject by time, therefore He does not need patience, those words are for our benefit and assurance.
Clearly 2 Peter 3:9 implies that some could perish and that not all will come to repentance. If that verse is only about the elect, how can it give comfort and assurance to anyone if they believe the elect can't be lost.
 
Clearly 2 Peter 3:9 implies that some could perish and that not all will come to repentance.
No, not in the least bit.
However, when some read it out of context, or through colored glasses, it can mean whatever they want it to mean.
If that verse is only about the elect, how can it give comfort and assurance to anyone if they believe the elect can't be lost.
Scripture is written to believers. If some believe the elect can be lost, they don’t need comfort and assurance in that belief, they need correction
 
God’s desire and purpose are not necessarily the same thing. His purpose is to make his desire fulfilled.

His desire that all men might be saved is only possible because he purposely sent his Son into the world so that whoever believes in him would have eternal life.

He desires that all men would believe, and he has made it possible through Christ, but that doesn’t mean it will or must actually happen.

Doug
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
Matthew 23:37 NKJV

The GodMan Jesus Christ desired those who would not have him...

And I'm a 5-Point Calvinist...
 
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Which is exactly what you have done.
Well then show your proof using scripture. I hope you’re not like a Nick I knew, always made a remark like yours and then ran off.

I hope you are better than that. I think you are.
 
Well then show your proof using scripture. I hope you’re not like a Nick I knew, always made a remark like yours and then ran off.

I hope you are better than that. I think you are.
The proof is in that verse. If the elect cannot be lost, why would God ever say that He is not willing that any elect be lost? The answer is that He wouldn't because that would be oxymoronic. Therefore, either the elect can be lost, or God is not speaking about the elect in that verse.
 
The proof is in that verse. If the elect cannot be lost, why would God ever say that He is not willing that any elect be lost? The answer is that He wouldn't because that would be oxymoronic. Therefore, either the elect can be lost, or God is not speaking about the elect in that verse.
What assurance do you have if you don't think you are elect, since you seem to believe you can lose salvation?
 
What assurance do you have if you don't think you are elect, since you seem to believe you can lose salvation?
I have only one assurance; he who Promised is Faithful...

As Calvinists, let's not trust in our Election; after all, Unconditional Election is not one of the 5-Solas...

Christ Alone, is a Sola; it hamstrings Hyper Calvinism...
 
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What assurance do you have if you don't think you are elect, since you seem to believe you can lose salvation?
I have never said that I didn't think I was among the elect. It is the Reformed concept of God's election that I reject.
 
I have never said that I didn't think I was among the elect. It is the Reformed concept of God's election that I reject.
You need to elaborate more than just giving half answers.

You believe you are elect then. Your problem is to do with the Bible talking about election. The Reformed position says God chooses (that is, elects) people before the foundation of the world (before time came into existence) not because of anything they did or do but for His own glory. This is literally exactly what the Bible teaches. What else can it mean?
 
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
Matthew 23:37 NKJV

The GodMan Jesus Christ desired those who would not have him...

And I'm a 5-Point Calvinist...
Amen! Like we often say, we’re closer than we think!

Doug
 
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