Reconciling Two?

[Eleanor]

Only if you state you’ll stop assuming.

???. . .meeting yourself coming back?

Would I have to assume what the issue is if you stated it?

 

[Mr GLee]

Finally, what I find to be one of the strongest arguments about this understanding of v9 and who, then, it was written to/for is this, why would our omniscient, omnipresent God, who knows the end from the beginning, be "longsuffering" towards anyone who He ALREADY KNOWS will never come to saving faith in the Lord Jesus Christ

Thanks, Amen

Spiritual Life giving from the Father , loving commandeered to "study" to show oneself approved to our God not seen.

He warns us of antichrist (another teaching authority other than sola scriptura) . . . . . false apostles, false prophets bringing oral tradition of mankind false prophecy.

Not just a good suggestion to the whole world but a "let there be powerful law" not subject to change '

Living words. living bread called hidden manna in Rev 2:17

2 Timothy2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

You could say the beginning,of new birth the living loving commandment freely given us. His good understanding and power to perform it toward the good power of his name giving us a desire to study

John 6: 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

The think not commandments used 22 times in the new. . or hear me commandments of living words that work in the hearts of mankind

Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

In that way he alone empowers his living word to both will and do .the law of faith .Let ther be and it not seen m was made seen

Hebrew4:12;For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

The twoedged sword cuts two ways or both. . again (1)to hear the Let there be will and (2) power to perform revealed as good..

It easy to forget its living seeing it is by his power

Pray mankind get in His will as early in life as possible and stay as long as one can obey the loving, living commandment and not harden their hearts then we can rest in the gospel

Christ the husband has left us His bride with many (think not) good tools needed to rightly divide sola scriptura.

 

[brightfame52]

Here are two passages I have trouble with, how would you reconcile them?

2 Peter 3:9 (KJV) The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Matthew 11:25 (KJV) At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

If God is not willing that any perish, why does He hide certain things from certain people?
What is the best explanation without there being a contradiction on God's part?

The ones God is not willing that they perish, them He will grant repentance to in His own time, so that they will acknowledge the truth and be saved 1 Tim 2:4

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

2 Tim 2:25

25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

Now of course this pertains only to the elect, the non elect reprobate are excluded, God will not grant them repentance but hide truth from them.

 

[Josheb]

Here are two passages I have trouble with, how would you reconcile them?

2 Peter 3:9 (KJV) The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Matthew 11:25 (KJV) At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

If God is not willing that any perish, why does He hide certain things from certain people?
What is the best explanation without there being a contradiction on God's part?

Why do people put chocolate syrup on pancakes when they know automobile transmissions require a petroleum lubricant of higher viscosity?

The point is that those two selectively used verses that were removed from their surrounding text do not speak to the same condition. There are several ways to explain the distinctions but perhaps the most obvious is the example of Saul/Paul. Saul of Tarsus was a Pharisee, and a wise and prudent teacher but God hid from his understanding any and all knowledge of His Son....... until that fateful day on the road to Damascus. In other words, just because God's hides knowledge today does not mean God always hides all knowledge from anyone. What He hides one day may be revealed another day. Another very simple, easily understood, explanation is that God has many willings. God is not willing that any should perish but He is willing to destroy a person who denies His Son in the fiery lake. Those may seem contradictory willings until it is realized everyone is all already dead in sin and already condemned for that condition because the name of His Son has been denied. I am not willing that serial murderer John Wayne Gacy receive the death penalty, but the death penalty is the sentence I have willed for homicidal maniacs, and my inherent justness requires Me to do as I have willed. Still another seeming dilemma is one every parent faces: I am not willing that my child make mistakes but the only way they will learn certain facts of life is to make mistakes...... which I am willing for them to learn .

So, it is possible for God to want everyone to be saved AND also want to mete out the just recompense for sin.

Keep in mind that Peter was writing to Christians about Christians and he is specifically writing about the pending "Day of the Lord." Peter is not writing about the knowledge of salvation from sin to those who are already saved from sin. Do not generalize the verse to make it about circumstances it was not intended to address. That mistake is one of the most frequently occurring and most egregious exegetical errors committed by synergists (they ignore the context and audience affiliations, making verses say things they don't actually state). Similarly, Jesus is speaking to his Father about temporary temporal conditions, not pervasive worldwide conditions. What God had hidden from the wise and prudent would very soon and very quickly be revealed = Jesus is the resurrected Son of God, the long-awaited Messiah. The substance of that truth had been hidden from everyone, including people like Peter who would soon acknowledge and profess Jesus as God's anointed one. It wasn't until after he met Jesus raised that Peter understood his own words, but understand them he did.

God kept hidden from wise and prudent people the "secrets" regarding how to split an atom until He didn't hide it any longer. He has, for reasons we do not yet fathom, kept hidden how to breach the boundary of singularity and enter the fifth, sixth, seventh, and other dimensions of creation. Perhaps one day He will reveal that which He has hidden from humanity. When that which is hidden is made known it will testify to the Son, to the Father's glory. Most of the folks who think they've discovered something will still not understand its witness to the Son. Jesus was murdered because he told the Jewish leaders the truth: He is the Son of God!

So even when knowledge is made known it often has absolutely no soteriological effect. Salvation-by-knowledge is called Gnosticism and Gnosticism is a heresy.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I just addressed this passage yesterday on Twitter when a Provisionist tried to use it to prove Calvinism is inconsistent with scripture.)

There's religious discussions on Twitter?

 

[ReverendRV]

Here are two passages I have trouble with, how would you reconcile them?

2 Peter 3:9 (KJV) The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Matthew 11:25 (KJV) At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

If God is not willing that any perish, why does He hide certain things from certain people?
What is the best explanation without there being a contradiction on God's part?

There are a few ways to reconcile this. One way is to understand 2 Peter 3:9 as referring to the Church; the Born Again Believer, the Unconditional Elect. Another way, is to use Covenant Theology as a Hermeneutic. Jesus was speaking and functioning under the Old Covenant when he spoke in Mathew 11:25, but Saint Peter wrote while under the New Covenant. For instance; Saint Peter denied knowing Christ while under the Old Covenant, not while under the New Covenant. - So Jesus was glad that God hid Revelation from the Wise, because he (and the Law) are Legalistic. God revealed it to Babes (Children of God, the Elect, Spiritual Israel, Babes in Christ, etc). But Jesus Kept the Law, so this means he Loves his Neighbor; IE the World. He died for the World...

The answer is trying to figure out that when Jesus spoke, did he mean it to be Understood by the Old Covenant or by the New Covenant; or through both. For instance, when Jesus spoke about being made Right by Works; he meant that through the Old Covenant Alone. Jesus thanked God that the Atonement is Limited, but he also wanted to Gather the Reprobate under his Wings; he wanted to Dung them. It's best to believe in Limited Atonement for the Unconditionally Elect, and in his Sacrifice for All. God's hidden Revelation, would Save the Reprobate if they dared Believe. The Power is in the Gospel; not the person...

 

[DialecticSkeptic]

There's religious discussions on Twitter?

On mine, yes. I've got the algorithm carefully curated.

 

[makesends]

Hazelelponi said:
There's religious discussions on Twitter?

On mine, yes. I've got the algorithm carefully curated.

I don't know what that means, but just in case... holds up crucifix, sprinkles holy water —back! Get back!

 

[Hazelelponi]