Reconciling Christ's Imminent Return and Its Consequences with the Imputation of Christ's Righteousness

[prism]

How does one do that?
For Example, Reconcile...
Luke 12:42-48 NKJV
And the Lord said, "Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his master will make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of food in due season? [43] Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. [44] Truly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all that he has. [45] But if that servant says in his heart, 'My master is delaying his coming,' and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and be drunk, [46] the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. [47] And that servant who knew his master's will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. [48] But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.

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Romans 4:4-5 NKJV
Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. [5] But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,

I suppose one can make the argument that in Luke they are servants and not sons. But does that hold water?

 

[prism]

I suppose one can make the argument that in Luke they are servants and not sons. But does that hold water?

Subsequently to a previous but similar warning Luke 12:35-40, Peter asked in Luke 12:41 NKJV
Then Peter said to Him, "Lord, do You speak this parable only to us, or to all people?"

 

[brightfame52]

Are you going to share your insights ?

 

[Eleanor]

How does one do that?
For Example, Reconcile...
Luke 12:42-48 NKJV
And the Lord said, "Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his master will make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of food in due season? [43] Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. [44] Truly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all that he has. [45] But if that servant says in his heart, 'My master is delaying his coming,' and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and be drunk, [46] the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. [47] And that servant who knew his master's will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. [48] But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.
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Romans 4:4-5 NKJV
Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. [5] But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
I suppose one can make the argument that in Luke they are servants and not sons. But does that hold water?

Christ's return is not imminent. The man of lawlessness must be revealed before Christ returns (2 Th 2:3-4), and that has not happened.

 

[brightfame52]

Christ's return is not imminent. The man of lawlessness must be revealed before Christ returns (2 Th 2:3-4), and that has not happened.

I disagree for the man of sin is man conditioning salvation on himself, what he does or what is in man!

 

[Eleanor]

I disagree for the man of sin is man conditioning salvation on himself, what he does or what is in man!

Actually it is "man of lawlessness (anomos)."

Biblical demonstration of that assertion?

 

[CrowCross]

I disagree for the man of sin is man conditioning salvation on himself, what he does or what is in man!

How do you get that out of 2 Thes 2:3-4?

 

[Eleanor]

I see your point...but, the verse is referring to "Day of the Lord". If the "day of the Lord" is synonymous with Christ returning at the rapture then your point is valid.

Is the "Day of the Lord"..a time of judgment? Is it also a time of salvation as God delivers the remaining fragments of Israel's people? Or both?

Christ's return is both salvation for the elect and judgment for the non-elect.

 

[brightfame52]

How do you get that out of 2 Thes 2:3-4?

Its something that needs to be revealed, doesnt it say that here 2 Thess 2:3-4

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

 

[Eleanor]

Jesus returns twice...in the air and then a second time after the 7 year trib.

Not according to the apostolic teaching (1 Th 4:16-17) of Christ (Lk 10:16).

 

[Eleanor]

Thats something that needs to be revealed to you and Im not the one

That's rich. . .

 

[CrowCross]

Its something that needs to be revealed, doesnt it say that here 2 Thess 2:3-4

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

How does that fit with "conditioning salvation on himself"? I must be missing something in your explanation.

 

[CrowCross]

Not according to the apostolic teaching (1 Th 4:16-17) of Christ (Lk 10:16).

Luke 10:16.....I'm not following.

 

[Arial]

I disagree for the man of sin is man conditioning salvation on himself, what he does or what is in man!

All men are men of sin---sinners---until and unless they are united to Christ through faith. Not just those who try to earn their salvation through works.

 

[Arial]

I see your point...but, the verse is referring to "Day of the Lord". If the "day of the Lord" is synonymous with Christ returning at the rapture then your point is valid.

Is the "Day of the Lord"..a time of judgment? Is it also a time of salvation as God delivers the remaining fragments of Israel's people? Or both?

MOD HAT: DO NOT HIJACK THIS THREAD AND MAKE IT ABOUT YOUR DISPENSATIONAL/PREMIL POV!!!!

 

[brightfame52]

How does that fit with "conditioning salvation on himself"? I must be missing something in your explanation.

Well if you think about, Salvation is 100% conditioned on God, for His Glory, but man says, wait a minute, i have something to do in salvation, which opposes God.

 

[brightfame52]

All men are men of sin---sinners---until and unless they are united to Christ through faith. Not just those who try to earn their salvation through works.

okay

 

[CrowCross]

Well if you think about, Salvation is 100% conditioned on God, for His Glory, but man says, wait a minute, i have something to do in salvation, which opposes God.

How does that fit in with the man of sin..the antichrist mentioned in 2 Thes 2:3-4?

See post 5

 

[brightfame52]

How does that fit in with the man of sin..the antichrist mentioned in 2 Thes 2:3-4?

See post 5

I just told you. And also this man of sin needs to be revealed, and Im not the revealer

 

[Eleanor]

Luke 10:16.....I'm not following.

To hear the apostles (1 Th 4:16-17) is to hear Jesus (Lk 10:16).