Question on John 19:30

[makesends]

Peter walked on water with Christ.

Ha! Good luck with that!

 

[makesends]

Who is in agreement? Baptist, Methodist, Anglican, Non-denominations, Presbyterian, etc.

We need a Philip, just as the eunuch did. Philip was part of the universal church that has been with us for 2,000 years.

RCC is not the universal church. The redeemed members of the Body of Christ, the regenerated, those that are IN CHRIST, and the universal church.

 

[Arch Stanton]

Faith in the (blood, Ro 3:25) atoning work and person of Jesus Christ. . .presented in the Scriptures and mediated by the Holy Spirit in the Scriptures.

Same writer....

Eph 4:3-6 striving to preserve the unity of the spirit through the bond of peace: ONE BODY and ONE SPIRIT, as you were also called to the one hope of your call; one Lord, ONE FAITH, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

 

[Arch Stanton]

Ha! Good luck with that!

luck has nothing to do with it

 

[Arch Stanton]

RCC is not the universal church.

It is indeed..... Peter and the other apostles to the next generation through the laying on of hands.

 

[Arch Stanton]

When are you going to start making sense?

Are you not familiar with Mt 16 and Mt 18?

 

[Arch Stanton]

What is bound (to condemnation) is bound by unbelief of the gospel, and
what is loosed (from condemnation) is loosed by belief in the gospel (Jn 3:18),
both declared by those who speak the gospel.

Try again.... this time, use Matthew!

 

[Mr GLee]

Try again.... this time, use Matthew!

Try not to think flesh and blood Peter dying mankind did reveal it . Peter the denier our brother in the lord, is not the invisible Holy Father Christ ,
You know the end of the matter the prophecy get behind me eternal God not seen not dying mankind Peter seen. The doctrine of Christ the head of the bride comes down like rain . . not earthy loosed of the father of lies

What was spoken of in Chapter 16 was to the whole crowd of sent messengers in chapter shown in 18 below

Mathew 18:18 YLT Verily I say to you, Whatever things ye may bind upon the earth shall be having been bound in the heavens, and whatever things ye may loose on the earth shall be having been loosed in the heavens

Mathew 18:18 AMP I assure you and most solemnly say to you, whatever you bind [forbid, declare to be improper and unlawful] on earth shall have [already] been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose [permit, declare lawful] on earth shall have [already] been loosed in heaven.

Gives glory to the unseen things of Christ

Who is revealing it to you? Who revealed it to the Son of man Jesus the apostle prophet ?

 

[Arch Stanton]

Try not to think flesh and blood Peter dying mankind did reveal it .

Peter was handed the keys from the Lord of the universe.

Who is revealing it to you?

Christ... through Matthews gospel

 

[Eleanor]

Same writer....

Eph 4:3-6 striving to preserve the unity of the spirit through the bond of peace: ONE BODY and ONE SPIRIT, as you were also called to the one hope of your call; one Lord, ONE FAITH, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

Agreed. . .

Those of saving faith in Christ are
the one universal body of Christ
indwelled by the one Spirit,
called to the one hope of their call;
one Lord,
one faith (in Jesus Christ),
one baptism (burial with Christ, to die to sin as Christ died for sin (Ro 6:4),
one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all those who are in Christ through faith in Christ.

 

[Eleanor]

Try again.... this time, use Matthew!

I'm thinkin' John and Matthew are not in disagreement.

 

[Arch Stanton]

Agreed. . .

Those of saving faith in Christ are
the one universal body of Christ
indwelled by the one Spirit,
called to the one hope of their call;
one Lord,
one faith (in Jesus Christ),
one baptism (burial with Christ, to die to sin as Christ died for sin (Ro 6:4),
one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all those who are in Christ through faith in Christ.

and the 'one faith' includes.....

Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you DO NOT HAVE LIFE within you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For MY FLESH IS TRUE FOOD, and my blood is true drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.

 

[Eleanor]

and the 'one faith' includes.....

Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you DO NOT HAVE LIFE within you.

You must reconcile your understanding of this with apostolic understanding in Eph 2:8-9,
where salvation to eternal life is by faith. . .not by works (of eating the Lord's Supper),
keeping in mind that Paul received his gospel by revelation from Jesus Christ personally (Gal 1:11-12).

Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For MY FLESH IS TRUE FOOD, and my blood is true drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.

That's what we call the Lord's Supper.

 

[Arch Stanton]

You must reconcile your understanding of this with apostolic understanding in Eph 2:8-9,
where salvation to eternal life is by faith. . .not by works (of eating the Lord's Supper),
keeping in mind that Paul received his gospel by revelation from Jesus Christ personally (Gal 1:11-12).

Keep in mind these are not words passed on by St. Paul.... these are Christ's own words --

Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you DO NOT HAVE LIFE within you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For MY FLESH IS TRUE FOOD, and my blood is true drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.

 

[Arial]

Are you not familiar with Mt 16 and Mt 18?

Very. I read them from the perspective of the Scriptures themselves and not from the edict of the RCC. Try it sometime if such a thing is possible.

 

[makesends]

luck has nothing to do with it

Your theology depends on luck!

 

[Arch Stanton]

Very. I read them from the perspective of the Scriptures themselves and not from the edict of the RCC. Try it sometime if such a thing is possible.

It is not possible to read the scriptures correctly without the Church Christ established and gave authority over the canon.

 

[Arch Stanton]

Your theology depends on luck!

The luck of Christ being Lord of the Universe.

 

[David1701]

Same writer....

Eph 4:3-6 striving to preserve the unity of the spirit through the bond of peace: ONE BODY and ONE SPIRIT, as you were also called to the one hope of your call; one Lord, ONE FAITH, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

One body (all true believers in Jesus Christ) - not one organisation.

One Spirit - the Holy Spirit, who is in all those who believe in Jesus Christ.

One hope - the hope of all true believers is the Lord Jesus Christ himself and our resurrection through him

One faith - what the Bible teaches (not what an organisation like RCism claims that the Bible teaches, nor its added "traditions")

One baptism - the believer's immersion in water

 

[Arch Stanton]

One body (all true believers in Jesus Christ)

true believers believe in the following

Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you DO NOT HAVE LIFE within you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For MY FLESH IS TRUE FOOD, and my blood is true drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.